Making my teen pay....

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Sounds like OP is seeing the cost and get short arms. I

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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why you are trying to put your daughter at a disadvantage in life by limiting her college choices to state colleges when you have the means to pay for the most elite ones.
It does matter where the degree is from in terms of future opportunities, connections made in college, and quality of education. Don't you want your child's opportunities to be only limited by her talent and her willingness to work hard? Why are you limiting them even further? Shouldn't your daughter go to the best college she can get into?
I did, when I was fresh off the boat immigrant, and it is incongruous to me why a parent would deny his child this opportunity.

Are you going to take your millions to the grave with you or invest in the future of your progeny

OP is not limiting her. He is telling her to make an informed choice about the costs of college. If he is paying, he should have some say in what school she chooses. If she spends less on undergraduate by going in-state and plans grad school, perhaps Dad can help with the money she saves him. We are in no position to really judge OP. If she wants "elite" I am certain West Point, Air Force, Navy or the other service academies are quite viable options.

And PP, seriously, someone is limited only by their talent and willingness to work hard? Sounds like you had a silver spoon!

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Wow, she's blessed to have you as a father

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And PP, seriously, someone is limited only by their talent and willingness to work hard? Sounds like you had a silver spoon!

I wish. I had nothing when I went to college. I was a poor recent immigrant. Not rolling in dough now either as a government employee.
But the father hsee has the means to pay for the best education, and it boggles my mind why not.

Service academies education comes with real risk of death or disability attached btw. I work with a lot of vets and every one has a degree of disability

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And if the going to an elite school puts you on third base so to speak with connections, etc. how'd you end up in gov't?

There is risk in getting injured or killed walking out your door in the morning. Frankly, I'm all for shared sacrifice as a responsibility of citizenship. I'm sure as an immigrant and I assume therefore naturalized citizen in your oath of naturalization you swore to "bear arms on behalf of the United States" or perform other such service when required by law.

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I also think you confuse education with the school attended. There are probabky quite a few derelicts out there who partied at, er I mean "studied" at prestigious schools.

And also take a look at the PBS Frontline series on the 2008 financial crisis. The majority of the "whiz kids"'who came up with credit default swaps were Ivy educated and they crashed the world economy. Book smarts doe not equal wisdom.

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Anonymous wrote:And if the going to an elite school puts you on third base so to speak with connections, etc. how'd you end up in gov't?

There is risk in getting injured or killed walking out your door in the morning. Frankly, I'm all for shared sacrifice as a responsibility of citizenship. I'm sure as an immigrant and I assume therefore naturalized citizen in your oath of naturalization you swore to "bear arms on behalf of the United States" or perform other such service when required by law.

Thanks for putting me down.
And did you serve? I was not drafted and not required by law to be in the military, but in my current job I sacrifice my salary, prestige and expose myself to insults by the likes of you while working on behalf of security and military superiority of my country. My whole job description is a service to my country

So yes, going to an elite school helped me but enriching myself is not my value; meaningful work helping others is. This is how I ended up in govt. Switched to govt and sacrificed in salary after 13 yrs working for industry.

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And are you much smarter or better or lead a more meaningful, productive life thsn the non-Ivy peers with whom you work?

My Ivy educated wife sneered aboutt the kid working the counter at Enterprise who just graduated from GWU. I'm sorry, but what is wrong with that? I've always been impressed with Enterprise as a company and the service they provide.

My first job out of college was in retail and then I moved to the Hill. Twenty years later, I have a satisfying career in international affairs, have traveled the world and love what I do.

Of course, I think her comment about the young man at Enterprise was more a dig at me and more expression of her insecurity don't since she perceives I have been successful even without the Ivy degree. She graduated twenty years ago and still drops s humble brag into virtually every conversation about where she went to school. Does anyone really care where you went twenty years on?

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Anonymous wrote:And are you much smarter or better or lead a more meaningful, productive life thsn the non-Ivy peers with whom you work?

My Ivy educated wife sneered aboutt the kid working the counter at Enterprise who just graduated from GWU. I'm sorry, but what is wrong with that? I've always been impressed with Enterprise as a company and the service they provide.

My first job out of college was in retail and then I moved to the Hill. Twenty years later, I have a satisfying career in international affairs, have traveled the world and love what I do.

Of course, I think her comment about the young man at Enterprise was more a dig at me and more expression of her insecurity don't since she perceives I have been successful even without the Ivy degree. She graduated twenty years ago and still drops s humble brag into virtually every conversation about where she went to school. Does anyone really care where you went twenty years on?

GWU is the most expensive college in the country. I'd be pissed if the only job my kid could get with a degree from there was a minimum wage one that didn't even require a college degree.

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What kind of job do you imagine a psychology major from any school should have right out of college? Also, I hate to tell you but GWU is NOT the most expensive school in the United States. That honor belongs to Sarah Lawrence College.

The average net price at GWU is $32,000.

Said student at Enterprise had a full-ride scholarship.

Management trainees at Enterprise earn between $30K and $45K per year - hardly minimum wage. And frankly, I would be proud of my child for being independent.

I graduated from GWU with a degree in Political Science/International Relations. I had great professors and would not have my career today had I not gone there. That being said, my first job out of college that I used to support myself without Mom or Dad was in retail? Was it what I went to college for? No. But my eyes were on the prize. Life is a journey and a career a long game. I now tell young people who come to me for career advice that early on in their careers they should be looking for experience and worry less about the paycheck. Thing about the skills you will gain in the position as well as the exposure and connections. In my career field, it is not enough to come to the table speaking multiple foreign languages and having a knowledge of IR theory, but combine that with some solid business or political skills and experience and you have a hook that will start you on a great career.

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Oh, and BTW, for some reason, lots of hate for GWU on these boards.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of job do you imagine a psychology major from any school should have right out of college? Also, I hate to tell you but GWU is NOT the most expensive school in the United States. That honor belongs to Sarah Lawrence College.

The average net price at GWU is $32,000.

Said student at Enterprise had a full-ride scholarship.

Management trainees at Enterprise earn between $30K and $45K per year - hardly minimum wage. And frankly, I would be proud of my child for being independent.

I graduated from GWU with a degree in Political Science/International Relations. I had great professors and would not have my career today had I not gone there. That being said, my first job out of college that I used to support myself without Mom or Dad was in retail? Was it what I went to college for? No. But my eyes were on the prize. Life is a journey and a career a long game. I now tell young people who come to me for career advice that early on in their careers they should be looking for experience and worry less about the paycheck. Thing about the skills you will gain in the position as well as the exposure and connections. In my career field, it is not enough to come to the table speaking multiple foreign languages and having a knowledge of IR theory, but combine that with some solid business or political skills and experience and you have a hook that will start you on a great career.

You're just proving the point. GWU is basically the same price as an Ivy, but when you graduate from an Ivy you have a much better chance of getting your dream job. GWU gets a lot of hate because it is expensive and doesn't have the same ROI, and not everyone has the luxury to focus on experiences when they're saddled with huge amounts of debt from going to an expensive school.

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Everyone in my organization - Ivy or not - came through the same recruitment process, so at least in my field having an Ivy degree didn't make you any more competitive thsn the kid who went to State U.

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Anonymous wrote:And are you much smarter or better or lead a more meaningful, productive life thsn the non-Ivy peers with whom you work?

My Ivy educated wife sneered aboutt the kid working the counter at Enterprise who just graduated from GWU. I'm sorry, but what is wrong with that? I've always been impressed with Enterprise as a company and the service they provide.

My first job out of college was in retail and then I moved to the Hill. Twenty years later, I have a satisfying career in international affairs, have traveled the world and love what I do.

Of course, I think her comment about the young man at Enterprise was more a dig at me and more expression of her insecurity don't since she perceives I have been successful even without the Ivy degree. She graduated twenty years ago and still drops s humble brag into virtually every conversation about where she went to school. Does anyone really care where you went twenty years on?

GWU is the most expensive college in the country. I'd be pissed if the only job my kid could get with a degree from there was a minimum wage one that didn't even require a college degree.

Then your kid can go to Marine Corps OCS. That requires a college degree.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in my organization - Ivy or not - came through the same recruitment process, so at least in my field having an Ivy degree didn't make you any more competitive thsn the kid who went to State U.

Mine too! Except about half of the new hires come from the top 20ish schools, while those schools churn out less than 1% of all graduates...

No one is saying that's it's impossible to get a great job as a state school grad. But the odds just aren't as great, so when thinking about cost savings in tuition, it's also worth thinking about the ROI in income for those first 2-3 years right out of graduation. My husband went to his state flagship on full scholarship. I went to an Ivy and paid $160K more than him in tuition. But my first 3 years out of college, I made $180K more than him and am on a path to out earn him every year. Whose college ended costing more?