The current political climate in Sweden - Fascism is on the rise

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I suggest you prove your own statement as true first. This is your M.O. - you make something up then claim someone else said it. Then you insult anyone else who doesn't agree with you.

Do you know how hateful it is to accuse that PP of not knowing the English language? And you accuse me of being phobic? Please!

The poster clearly find English challenging. She doesn't understand the meaning of a very common phrase. I'm sorry if that is insulting to her, but it is just fact. Given her lack of understanding of the statement, she should have stayed out of the discussion.

I am not sure what you are asking me to prove. You are the one who said you don't blame the neo-Nazis. If that does not mean that you support the neo-Nazis, why can't you simply say that you misspoke and that you actually do blame the neo-Nazis? I think you are trying to have it both ways. You say that you don't blame them, you keep bringing up rapes, and the you say, "what me? I don't support them." Pick your side Do you blame them or not?

Sure she does. You just don't like her answer so you got mean. How very typical.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.

Why can't you say that you blame them? Why are you hedging your statement. Understanding their actions is one thing, but do you support them or not support them? Why is it so difficult for you to make a clear statement about this?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.

Why can't you say that you blame them? Why are you hedging your statement. Understanding their actions is one thing, but do you support them or not support them? Why is it so difficult for you to make a clear statement about this?

My statement has remained firm since the first page of the thread. I have repeated it numerous times. Your game doesn't work.

Maybe you should focus on the incident where the Swedish police were chased by migrants away from a shelter? The police were there to rescue a 10 year old little boy who was being repeatedly raped.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.

Why can't you say that you blame them? Why are you hedging your statement. Understanding their actions is one thing, but do you support them or not support them? Why is it so difficult for you to make a clear statement about this?

My statement has remained firm since the first page of the thread. I have repeated it numerous times. Your game doesn't work.

Maybe you should focus on the incident where the Swedish police were chased by migrants away from a shelter? The police were there to rescue a 10 year old little boy who was being repeatedly raped.

There is no way to interpret what you are saying other than that you don't blame the neo-Nazis -- in other words, you support them -- and that you think the immigrants deserve to be beaten because some of them commit rapes. You are correct that has been your consistent position. I don't know why you try to cloud that by acting as if things are otherwise.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.

Why can't you say that you blame them? Why are you hedging your statement. Understanding their actions is one thing, but do you support them or not support them? Why is it so difficult for you to make a clear statement about this?

My statement has remained firm since the first page of the thread. I have repeated it numerous times. Your game doesn't work.

Maybe you should focus on the incident where the Swedish police were chased by migrants away from a shelter? The police were there to rescue a 10 year old little boy who was being repeatedly raped.

There is no way to interpret what you are saying other than that you don't blame the neo-Nazis -- in other words, you support them -- and that you think the immigrants deserve to be beaten because some of them commit rapes. You are correct that has been your consistent position. I don't know why you try to cloud that by acting as if things are otherwise.

You're such a child!

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.

Why can't you say that you blame them? Why are you hedging your statement. Understanding their actions is one thing, but do you support them or not support them? Why is it so difficult for you to make a clear statement about this?

You are the only one who seems not to understand that stating one understands how these events came about is not a tacit approval of the events. Why are you being so obtuse here?

[Anonymous]

I guess Chris Rock supports OJ murdering his ex wife and Ron Goldman?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEy8iQghs0

Start at 1:40

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess Chris Rock supports OJ murdering his ex wife and Ron Goldman?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEy8iQghs0

Start at 1:40

I guess you didn't catch how everybody in the audience was laughing, i.e. they understood he's a comedian not a UC Berkeley political science professor.
Start at 0:00 and listen to the laughter through the whole damn thing.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.

Why can't you say that you blame them? Why are you hedging your statement. Understanding their actions is one thing, but do you support them or not support them? Why is it so difficult for you to make a clear statement about this?

You are the only one who seems not to understand that stating one understands how these events came about is not a tacit approval of the events. Why are you being so obtuse here?

You are the one who is obtuse. The OP went beyond merely understanding how the events came about and said that she "can't blame" the masked neo-Nazis. I've asked her many times to remove any misunderstanding and say that she, in fact, can blame them. But, her only response has been to reaffirm that her initial statement about not blaming the neo-Nazis stands and to provide additional justification for such attacks.

Why do you ignore the plain and clearly written words of a poster who has had multiple opportunities to remove any confusion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess Chris Rock supports OJ murdering his ex wife and Ron Goldman?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEy8iQghs0

Start at 1:40

I guess you didn't catch how everybody in the audience was laughing, i.e. they understood he's a comedian not a UC Berkeley political science professor.
Start at 0:00 and listen to the laughter through the whole damn thing.

I guess you didn't catch my sarcasm? Or do you think only comedians / satirists are allowed to use non literal language?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess Chris Rock supports OJ murdering his ex wife and Ron Goldman?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEy8iQghs0

Start at 1:40

I guess you didn't catch how everybody in the audience was laughing, i.e. they understood he's a comedian not a UC Berkeley political science professor.
Start at 0:00 and listen to the laughter through the whole damn thing.

I guess you didn't catch my sarcasm? Or do you think only comedians / satirists are allowed to use non literal language?

The issue is not "understanding", but the poster's statement that she "can't blame" the masked neo-Nazis. You seem to be having a lot of issues with this. Why don't you ask the OP to simply make a statement that clearly says that she does not support the masked neo-Nazis beating immigrants and, in fact, can blame them? That would be simple, correct?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.

Why can't you say that you blame them? Why are you hedging your statement. Understanding their actions is one thing, but do you support them or not support them? Why is it so difficult for you to make a clear statement about this?

You are the only one who seems not to understand that stating one understands how these events came about is not a tacit approval of the events. Why are you being so obtuse here?

You are the one who is obtuse. The OP went beyond merely understanding how the events came about and said that she "can't blame" the masked neo-Nazis. I've asked her many times to remove any misunderstanding and say that she, in fact, can blame them. But, her only response has been to reaffirm that her initial statement about not blaming the neo-Nazis stands and to provide additional justification for such attacks.

Why do you ignore the planing and clearly written words of a poster who has had multiple opportunities to remove any confusion?

The OP has stated they are using "can't blame" in the sense of understanding the rationale behind the actions. Others have agreed they understood that usage. You are perseverating on the phrase for some unknown reason. Maybe you have a bit of OCD or are on the spectrum.

I am not OP but I will say I in no uncertain terms condemn the action of these right wing fascist thugs.

I will take it further however, and since you seem capable of dealing only with binary propositions, I will say that, were my options to keep my wife and two daughters from being groped, stabbed, or raped

A) keeping them locked in the house or covered head to toe when they left the house

B) put up with roaming bands of racist thugs who kept the youths who perpetrate these offenses off the streets, but are indiscriminate in their violence leading to innocent men women and children getting abused

I'm picking B every time.

This whole situation, including the rise of the racist far right, is a direct result of failure of the state. The governments can't or won't protect the populace, so the populace will turn to whatever group provides protection

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess Chris Rock supports OJ murdering his ex wife and Ron Goldman?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEy8iQghs0

Start at 1:40

I guess you didn't catch how everybody in the audience was laughing, i.e. they understood he's a comedian not a UC Berkeley political science professor.
Start at 0:00 and listen to the laughter through the whole damn thing.

I guess you didn't catch my sarcasm? Or do you think only comedians / satirists are allowed to use non literal language?

The issue is not "understanding", but the poster's statement that she "can't blame" the masked neo-Nazis. You seem to be having a lot of issues with this. Why don't you ask the OP to simply make a statement that clearly says that she does not support the masked neo-Nazis beating immigrants and, in fact, can blame them? That would be simple, correct?

I think maybe the OP hasn't answers you repeated questions because you come off as a badgering asshole with your monomaniacal focus on the phrase "can't blame".

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess Chris Rock supports OJ murdering his ex wife and Ron Goldman?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mwEy8iQghs0

Start at 1:40

I guess you didn't catch how everybody in the audience was laughing, i.e. they understood he's a comedian not a UC Berkeley political science professor.
Start at 0:00 and listen to the laughter through the whole damn thing.

I guess you didn't catch my sarcasm? Or do you think only comedians / satirists are allowed to use non literal language?

The issue is not "understanding", but the poster's statement that she "can't blame" the masked neo-Nazis. You seem to be having a lot of issues with this. Why don't you ask the OP to simply make a statement that clearly says that she does not support the masked neo-Nazis beating immigrants and, in fact, can blame them? That would be simple, correct?

I think maybe the OP hasn't answers you repeated questions because you come off as a badgering asshole with your monomaniacal focus on the phrase "can't blame".

The OP has answered my questions. She reaffirmed that she stands by her original statement. Are you even bothering to read this thread? Please quit waiting my time by interfering in something about which you are apparently completely uninformed.