The current political climate in Sweden - Fascism is on the rise

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By the way? The 'child' that stabbed that woman to death is 15.

Was she not tolerant enough?

Apparently not...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Unbelievable that you are justifying vigilantes beating children. You were so busy provided excuses and justifications, that you didn't even bother to explain what happened. Let me help you out:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hundreds-of-masked-men-beat-refugee-children-in-stockholm-a6843451.html

Hundreds of masked men marched through Stockholm's main train station on Friday evening, reportedly beating up refugees and anyone who didn't appear to be ethnically Swedish.

Wearing all-black balaclavas and armbands, the men "gathered with the purpose of attacking refugee children," Stockholm police spokesperson Towe Hagg said.
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After the attack, the Swedish Resistance Movement, a neo-Nazi group, released a statement claiming the attack had "cleaned up criminal immigrants from North Africa that are housed in the area around the Central Station".

So, this is what it has come to. Islamophobes are supporting neo-Nazis who beat up Muslim children.

You are jumping to conclusions. Not surprising. My point is the people in Sweden feel lied to, helpless and like sitting ducks, and therefore people are taking matters into their own hands. This is NOT good. Liberal governments created this problem and are now not supporting their own citizens. The net results are backlash attacks. What did y'all expect? Kumbaya moments? Conservatives have been saying that this would occur. It now is starting. I'd advise you liberals to get your heads out of your butts and recognize what you are creating. It won't end well

No, the poster is right. These criminals do not represent the people of Sweden. And the fact that you conflate the two justifies what the pp said about you.

Are the criminals those that are raping and attacking the Swedish people or are they the Swedish people themselves? Are the formers simply victims of Islamophobia and justified in their anger and the latter those causing the former to attack the Swedes?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By the way? The 'child' that stabbed that woman to death is 15.

Well, I'm sure he can consult with some right-winger in order to identify someone that he can blame for his actions. It's really sad that Swedish right-wingers are such imbeciles that they can't think of any self-defense measures other than beating children. Probably the government's fault as well.

The point is calling a 15 year old a child is not really honest. A 15 year old, biologically, has matured intellectually to the point where the knowledge of right and wrong is clear. How old were the rest of these 'kids'? About the same age as the 'kids' terrorizing people on the Metros here in DC?

Unlike you, I am not excusing violent actions by anyone. Of course the 15 year old was wrong to commit a stabbing. Similarly, the neo-Nazis were wrong to beat children who had nothing to do with the stabbing. You can't possibly believe that Swedish neo-Nazis had no recourse other than to commit violence. You really need to take a good look in the mirror. Your hatred of Muslims has led you to make excuses for neo-Nazis beating innocent children. You frequently mention your own heritage which involves Nazis beating members of a minority religion (and much worse than beating). How could you find yourself defending such people?

If someone went into SW DC and started beating teens on the justification that such youth were victimizing people on Metro, would you similarly sit here saying that you can't blame them and then provide a series of justifications?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By the way? The 'child' that stabbed that woman to death is 15.

Well, I'm sure he can consult with some right-winger in order to identify someone that he can blame for his actions. It's really sad that Swedish right-wingers are such imbeciles that they can't think of any self-defense measures other than beating children. Probably the government's fault as well.

The point is calling a 15 year old a child is not really honest. A 15 year old, biologically, has matured intellectually to the point where the knowledge of right and wrong is clear. How old were the rest of these 'kids'? About the same age as the 'kids' terrorizing people on the Metros here in DC?

Unlike you, I am not excusing violent actions by anyone. Of course the 15 year old was wrong to commit a stabbing. Similarly, the neo-Nazis were wrong to beat children who had nothing to do with the stabbing. You can't possibly believe that Swedish neo-Nazis had no recourse other than to commit violence. You really need to take a good look in the mirror. Your hatred of Muslims has led you to make excuses for neo-Nazis beating innocent children. You frequently mention your own heritage which involves Nazis beating members of a minority religion (and much worse than beating). How could you find yourself defending such people?

If someone went into SW DC and started beating teens on the justification that such youth were victimizing people on Metro, would you similarly sit here saying that you can't blame them and then provide a series of justifications?

You see it as an excuse because you don't want to admit that it is natural human behavior for people to take into their own hands, what they feel their government can't and won't do for them. You won't admit this because it shows you that liberalism, progressivism, socialism is an abject failure. The Swedish government decided that they would open their hearts and land to refugees, not considering the impact that would have on their own people. They didn't think that far ahead but it sure made them feel and look good. Then when their people started being attacked and victimized by these new residents, the Swedish government refused to take action, because, like you, they didn't want to admit their thought process isn't sound. In fact, they tried to hide it. When the Swedish people realized that they were going to remain victims, a certain percentage of the population is not going to stand for it. Neo-Nazis rose up and, in their minds, stood up for their own people. This was bound to happen - it is the exact type of backlash conservatives expected and warned about.

Again, I am not supporting this type of behavior by saying 'who can blame them". I'm saying it was a natural result of a progressive government refusing to address the reality of what they have done to their own country.

I can honestly say you will be seeing the same thing in DC if the DC government does not get control of these gangs of teens. Again, it's inevitable. Civilized people will first ask for help. When no help comes, a percentage of the population will take matters into their own hands, and will soon be revered by those who are being terrorized.

[jsteele]

It is unbelievable -- well, perhaps not given the views you normally profess -- that you would blame the actions of neo-Nazis on the government. I never want to hear the words "personal responsibility" come out of your mouth again.

Following your logic, the Swedish government has failed to provide security for Muslim children. Therefore, nobody can blame Muslim children if they decide to start beating random Swedes.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:It is unbelievable -- well, perhaps not given the views you normally profess -- that you would blame the actions of neo-Nazis on the government. I never want to hear the words "personal responsibility" come out of your mouth again.

Following your logic, the Swedish government has failed to provide security for Muslim children. Therefore, nobody can blame Muslim children if they decide to start beating random Swedes.

I'm sorry you don't see that a government's responsibility it to its own citizens, not to the citizens of other nations.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:It is unbelievable -- well, perhaps not given the views you normally profess -- that you would blame the actions of neo-Nazis on the government. I never want to hear the words "personal responsibility" come out of your mouth again.

Following your logic, the Swedish government has failed to provide security for Muslim children. Therefore, nobody can blame Muslim children if they decide to start beating random Swedes.

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm saying that feeling safe is a basic need, and when people don't feel safe, they will accept the behavior of these Neo-Nazis as a good thing; they will see them as their protectors and saviors.

Again, that's what conservatives like myself have been saying - fascism inevitably rises from failed socialistic policies.

[Anonymous]

Some of the people do not see them as heroes:

Police and national authorities are also worried about the rise of vigilante groups and citizen street patrols with names such as the Finnish Resistance. The Soldiers of Odin, whose name refers to the Nordic god of war and death, includes known neo-Nazis and followers with criminal records, as well as more typical men.

But the Soldiers’ first foray in Tampere recently proved less successful than they’d hoped. Moments after they hit the streets, a troop of protesters dressed as clowns and calling themselves the Loldiers of Odin (a play on the Internet shorthand for “laughing out loud”) ambushed the black-clad vigilantes.

At one point, the clowns — most of them women — surrounded the men and taunted them by singing a local version of “Ring Around the Rosie.”

“They are clowns, too, doing what they’re doing,” said one young protester, who, like the others, declined to give her name. “We are here to show tolerance, because these clowns,” she said, gesturing toward the men, “are the ones who are winning in Finland.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/fear-and-paranoia-lead-finns-to-form-vigilante-groups-that-protect-women-from-asylum-seekers/2016/01/23/c16f8646-b943-11e5-85cd-5ad59bc19432_story.html?tid=sm_fb

[Anonymous]

There is a good chance the 15 year old isn't really 15. Sweden demands no proof of age when you claim you are an unaccompanied minor and step foot in Sweden. The worker who was stabbed told her family she was worried because many of the "minor" unaccompanied boys appeared to be men in their mid twenties. Other European countries check biological markers such as wisdom teeth or wrist X-ray to pinpoint age. Norway found that 90% of unaccompanied minors who looked over 18 were in fact over 19. Swedish law does not permit these checks. So you can be 30, claim you are 16 or 17 and you will get fast tracked into refugee housing and have a better chance of staying in Sweden.

[Anonymous]

I think it's also important to note that the Swedish government offered help to the Migrants who were roaming the streets, and they refused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of the people do not see them as heroes:

Police and national authorities are also worried about the rise of vigilante groups and citizen street patrols with names such as the Finnish Resistance. The Soldiers of Odin, whose name refers to the Nordic god of war and death, includes known neo-Nazis and followers with criminal records, as well as more typical men.

But the Soldiers’ first foray in Tampere recently proved less successful than they’d hoped. Moments after they hit the streets, a troop of protesters dressed as clowns and calling themselves the Loldiers of Odin (a play on the Internet shorthand for “laughing out loud”) ambushed the black-clad vigilantes.

At one point, the clowns — most of them women — surrounded the men and taunted them by singing a local version of “Ring Around the Rosie.”

“They are clowns, too, doing what they’re doing,” said one young protester, who, like the others, declined to give her name. “We are here to show tolerance, because these clowns,” she said, gesturing toward the men, “are the ones who are winning in Finland.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/fear-and-paranoia-lead-finns-to-form-vigilante-groups-that-protect-women-from-asylum-seekers/2016/01/23/c16f8646-b943-11e5-85cd-5ad59bc19432_story.html?tid=sm_fb

Good for them. They will inevitably lose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By the way? The 'child' that stabbed that woman to death is 15.

Well, I'm sure he can consult with some right-winger in order to identify someone that he can blame for his actions. It's really sad that Swedish right-wingers are such imbeciles that they can't think of any self-defense measures other than beating children. Probably the government's fault as well.

The point is calling a 15 year old a child is not really honest. A 15 year old, biologically, has matured intellectually to the point where the knowledge of right and wrong is clear. How old were the rest of these 'kids'? About the same age as the 'kids' terrorizing people on the Metros here in DC?

Unlike you, I am not excusing violent actions by anyone. Of course the 15 year old was wrong to commit a stabbing. Similarly, the neo-Nazis were wrong to beat children who had nothing to do with the stabbing. You can't possibly believe that Swedish neo-Nazis had no recourse other than to commit violence. You really need to take a good look in the mirror. Your hatred of Muslims has led you to make excuses for neo-Nazis beating innocent children. You frequently mention your own heritage which involves Nazis beating members of a minority religion (and much worse than beating). How could you find yourself defending such people?

If someone went into SW DC and started beating teens on the justification that such youth were victimizing people on Metro, would you similarly sit here saying that you can't blame them and then provide a series of justifications?

You see it as an excuse because you don't want to admit that it is natural human behavior for people to take into their own hands, what they feel their government can't and won't do for them. You won't admit this because it shows you that liberalism, progressivism, socialism is an abject failure. The Swedish government decided that they would open their hearts and land to refugees, not considering the impact that would have on their own people. They didn't think that far ahead but it sure made them feel and look good. Then when their people started being attacked and victimized by these new residents, the Swedish government refused to take action, because, like you, they didn't want to admit their thought process isn't sound. In fact, they tried to hide it. When the Swedish people realized that they were going to remain victims, a certain percentage of the population is not going to stand for it. Neo-Nazis rose up and, in their minds, stood up for their own people. This was bound to happen - it is the exact type of backlash conservatives expected and warned about.

Again, I am not supporting this type of behavior by saying 'who can blame them". I'm saying it was a natural result of a progressive government refusing to address the reality of what they have done to their own country.

I can honestly say you will be seeing the same thing in DC if the DC government does not get control of these gangs of teens. Again, it's inevitable. Civilized people will first ask for help. When no help comes, a percentage of the population will take matters into their own hands, and will soon be revered by those who are being terrorized.

You justify and rationalize fascists "standing up for [their] own people" by victimizing children who are themselves vulnerable refugees? Maybe we should start firebombing gun stores to protect our children. You know, in the same way anti-choice whackjob extremists justify killing doctors and torching health clinics, right?

[Anonymous]

Again, I'm against fascism. I'd rather see a responsible and accountable government protect the people from these immigrants. Since they are not, what then?

[Anonymous]

I thought it was Swedes attacking refugees.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Again, I'm against fascism. I'd rather see a responsible and accountable government protect the people from these immigrants. Since they are not, what then?

Quite obviously, "what then" is that you will support neo-Nazis as you demonstrate in this thread. If Swedes have an issue with their government, they should protest against their government, not against innocent children. One characteristic of racism is the idea of collective punishment. One immigrant child -- who you claim is not even a child -- committed a crime so therefore all immigrant children are guilty. Again, your religious tradition which you frequently mention has a bad history with collective punishment. You should never put yourself in a position of apologizing for Nazis.