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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]"I can't blame " is an idiom. I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?[/quote] What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc. "Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable" If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction. [/quote] In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them. That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it. [/quote] In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children. [/quote] I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.[/quote] Why can't you say that you blame them? Why are you hedging your statement. Understanding their actions is one thing, but do you support them or not support them? Why is it so difficult for you to make a clear statement about this? [/quote] You are the only one who seems not to understand that stating one understands how these events came about is not a tacit approval of the events. Why are you being so obtuse here?[/quote] You are the one who is obtuse. The OP went beyond merely understanding how the events came about and said that she "can't blame" the masked neo-Nazis. I've asked her many times to remove any misunderstanding and say that she, in fact, can blame them. But, her only response has been to reaffirm that her initial statement about not blaming the neo-Nazis stands and to provide additional justification for such attacks. Why do you ignore the planing and clearly written words of a poster who has had multiple opportunities to remove any confusion? [/quote] The OP has stated they are using "can't blame" in the sense of understanding the rationale behind the actions. Others have agreed they understood that usage. You are perseverating on the phrase for some unknown reason. Maybe you have a bit of OCD or are on the spectrum. I am not OP but I will say I in no uncertain terms condemn the action of these right wing fascist thugs. I will take it further however, and since you seem capable of dealing only with binary propositions, I will say that, were my options to keep my wife and two daughters from being groped, stabbed, or raped A) keeping them locked in the house or covered head to toe when they left the house B) put up with roaming bands of racist thugs who kept the youths who perpetrate these offenses off the streets, but are indiscriminate in their violence leading to innocent men women and children getting abused I'm picking B every time. This whole situation, including the rise of the racist far right, is a direct result of failure of the state. The governments can't or won't protect the populace, so the populace will turn to whatever group provides protection[/quote]
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