The current political climate in Sweden - Fascism is on the rise

[Anonymous]

Maybe you could quote where OP reaffirmed support for the neonazis? If it doesn't waste too much more of your valuable time of course

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.

Why can't you say that you blame them? Why are you hedging your statement. Understanding their actions is one thing, but do you support them or not support them? Why is it so difficult for you to make a clear statement about this?

You are the only one who seems not to understand that stating one understands how these events came about is not a tacit approval of the events. Why are you being so obtuse here?

You are the one who is obtuse. The OP went beyond merely understanding how the events came about and said that she "can't blame" the masked neo-Nazis. I've asked her many times to remove any misunderstanding and say that she, in fact, can blame them. But, her only response has been to reaffirm that her initial statement about not blaming the neo-Nazis stands and to provide additional justification for such attacks.

Why do you ignore the planing and clearly written words of a poster who has had multiple opportunities to remove any confusion?

The OP has stated they are using "can't blame" in the sense of understanding the rationale behind the actions. Others have agreed they understood that usage. You are perseverating on the phrase for some unknown reason. Maybe you have a bit of OCD or are on the spectrum.

I am not OP but I will say I in no uncertain terms condemn the action of these right wing fascist thugs.

I will take it further however, and since you seem capable of dealing only with binary propositions, I will say that, were my options to keep my wife and two daughters from being groped, stabbed, or raped

A) keeping them locked in the house or covered head to toe when they left the house

B) put up with roaming bands of racist thugs who kept the youths who perpetrate these offenses off the streets, but are indiscriminate in their violence leading to innocent men women and children getting abused

I'm picking B every time.

This whole situation, including the rise of the racist far right, is a direct result of failure of the state. The governments can't or won't protect the populace, so the populace will turn to whatever group provides protection

Another Trump voter. Racists are ignorant cowards, as are those who find ways to justify and excuse vigilante violence. You don't get a pass by blaming the national government.

[Anonymous]

What is the average swede to do oh enlightened one?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe you could quote where OP reaffirmed support for the neonazis? If it doesn't waste too much more of your valuable time of course

"My statement has remained firm since the first page of the thread."

[Anonymous]

And there are two interpretations of that statement chief. Good day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the average swede to do oh enlightened one?

I guess if they were like you they should lock themselves in their house and only go out with roving bands of fellow stupid hateful people. Or move to Murrica and get themselves armed to the teeth so they can take their AR15 to the Waffle House in their F-150 with truck nutz and assorted NRA stickers.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:And there are two interpretations of that statement chief. Good day

There are two interpretations only because of your refusal to recognize standard English and because of the OP's refusal to clarify.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the average swede to do oh enlightened one?

I guess if they were like you they should lock themselves in their house and only go out with roving bands of fellow stupid hateful people. Or move to Murrica and get themselves armed to the teeth so they can take their AR15 to the Waffle House in their F-150 with truck nutz and assorted NRA stickers.

You would just go on down to the train station as usual I suppose

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And there are two interpretations of that statement chief. Good day

There are two interpretations only because of your refusal to recognize standard English and because of the OP's refusal to clarify.

(Presumably OP)Again, I am not supporting this type of behavior by saying 'who can blame them". I'm saying it was a natural result of a progressive government refusing to address the reality of what they have done to their own country

That's a pretty explicit denial of support. If you want to pester OP until they admit they used the phrase wrong knock yourself out. Maybe you will win some internets

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the average swede to do oh enlightened one?

Second page:
Again, I am not supporting this type of behavior by saying 'who can blame them". I'm saying it was a natural result of a progressive government refusing to address the reality of what they have done to their own country.

Note I use the words again and not supporting

You can't accept that some of these migrants have proved you wrong, hence your temper tantrum. I, on the other hand, simply feel the Swedes deserve more from the authorities who's salaries they pay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And there are two interpretations of that statement chief. Good day

There are two interpretations only because of your refusal to recognize standard English and because of the OP's refusal to clarify.

(Presumably OP)Again, I am not supporting this type of behavior by saying 'who can blame them". I'm saying it was a natural result of a progressive government refusing to address the reality of what they have done to their own country

That's a pretty explicit denial of support. If you want to pester OP until they admit they used the phrase wrong knock yourself out. Maybe you will win some internets

Great minds. I just posted the same thing. Thank you for the support

[Anonymous]

Not condoning violence against anyone but this is an article about the migrants that are being called "children" but they are actually 14-16 years old taking classes with younger children and there have been sexual assaults. I know this is a conservative news organization, but apparently that is part of the problem according to Europeans. They are saying that the "liberal" media is not reporting what's actually happening there and that the only ones reporting it are the more conservative papers and news organizations.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/15/newly-arrived-migrant-teenagers-left-free-to-abuse-in-danish-school-for-months-they-were-integrating-themselves-very-well/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I understand the reasoning behind why Neo-Nazis have risen up to fight back. I saw it coming, as did many other conservatives. And we tried to warn you liberals. But you wouldn't listen.

Why can't you say that you blame them? Why are you hedging your statement. Understanding their actions is one thing, but do you support them or not support them? Why is it so difficult for you to make a clear statement about this?

You are the only one who seems not to understand that stating one understands how these events came about is not a tacit approval of the events. Why are you being so obtuse here?

You are the one who is obtuse. The OP went beyond merely understanding how the events came about and said that she "can't blame" the masked neo-Nazis. I've asked her many times to remove any misunderstanding and say that she, in fact, can blame them. But, her only response has been to reaffirm that her initial statement about not blaming the neo-Nazis stands and to provide additional justification for such attacks.

Why do you ignore the planing and clearly written words of a poster who has had multiple opportunities to remove any confusion?

The OP has stated they are using "can't blame" in the sense of understanding the rationale behind the actions. Others have agreed they understood that usage. You are perseverating on the phrase for some unknown reason. Maybe you have a bit of OCD or are on the spectrum.

I am not OP but I will say I in no uncertain terms condemn the action of these right wing fascist thugs.

I will take it further however, and since you seem capable of dealing only with binary propositions, I will say that, were my options to keep my wife and two daughters from being groped, stabbed, or raped

A) keeping them locked in the house or covered head to toe when they left the house

B) put up with roaming bands of racist thugs who kept the youths who perpetrate these offenses off the streets, but are indiscriminate in their violence leading to innocent men women and children getting abused

I'm picking B every time.

This whole situation, including the rise of the racist far right, is a direct result of failure of the state. The governments can't or won't protect the populace, so the populace will turn to whatever group provides protection

OP here. I will add that this is what Nixon promised in the 60s. And he delivered. Not good. People were frightened and tipped the spectrum too far with their vote as a result.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Not condoning violence against anyone but this is an article about the migrants that are being called "children" but they are actually 14-16 years old taking classes with younger children and there have been sexual assaults. I know this is a conservative news organization, but apparently that is part of the problem according to Europeans. They are saying that the "liberal" media is not reporting what's actually happening there and that the only ones reporting it are the more conservative papers and news organizations.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/15/newly-arrived-migrant-teenagers-left-free-to-abuse-in-danish-school-for-months-they-were-integrating-themselves-very-well/

Fourteen and sixteen year olds are children and that story is not even about the same country we are discussing.

As for Brietbart, the link mentions a "danish-school" while the story is about Austria. Not only is it a conservative blog, it considers accuracy something to be avoided.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not condoning violence against anyone but this is an article about the migrants that are being called "children" but they are actually 14-16 years old taking classes with younger children and there have been sexual assaults. I know this is a conservative news organization, but apparently that is part of the problem according to Europeans. They are saying that the "liberal" media is not reporting what's actually happening there and that the only ones reporting it are the more conservative papers and news organizations.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/15/newly-arrived-migrant-teenagers-left-free-to-abuse-in-danish-school-for-months-they-were-integrating-themselves-very-well/

Fourteen and sixteen year olds are children and that story is not even about the same country we are discussing.

As for Brietbart, the link mentions a "danish-school" while the story is about Austria. Not only is it a conservative blog, it considers accuracy something to be avoided.

Not so. They are teens, with a different physical and intellectual stage of development than their pre-pubescent counterparts.