The current political climate in Sweden - Fascism is on the rise

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said multiple times I don't agree it's fascism. I do, however, understand why it has reared its ugly head.

You said that you can't blame the masked neo-Nazis for beating children. If you can't blame them, that means you think their actions are justified. It is really difficult to make a convincing argument that you oppose something while simultaneously claiming that it is justified and providing justifications for it.

Now I can see why you are voting for Sanders. You are so hell-bent on attacking, you lose sight of reason.

Anyone with a sense of logic can see how lack of safety will lead individuals to trust those they shouldn't if they are offering protection.

Losing sight of reason is what has happened when you find yourself defending the actions of neo-Nazis.

You notice how many here are not buying this line of thought?

Two. You and one other guy think you aren't defending Nazis.

I don't think they are defending nazis. I think you are trying to force a false dilemma here. One can find the brutality by the native swedes disgusting yet not find it surprising at all when the government is unwilling or unable to protect its citizens from the violent acts of some of these "children". There will be more of these mobs if the govt chooses by to reign in the violent behavior of some of these migrants

The OP explicitly said that she can't blame the neo-Nazis. That is not an indication of someone who finds that brutality disgusting. That is someone who feels that brutality is justified.

[Anonymous]

"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

1) It has been proven they are not children
2) Can you show me where I said specifically that all immigrants are guilty of rape?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

Insulting immigrants? Are you phobic?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

Insulting immigrants? Are you phobic?

I am not aware of any immigrants posting in this thread. Are you?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

1) It has been proven they are not children
2) Can you show me where I said specifically that all immigrants are guilty of rape?

No, it has not been proven. The Swedish police explicitly described them as children. If you do not think every immigrant is guilty of rape, then why do you keep bringing up rape to justify these beatings? Certainly you don't support beating innocent children. So you must believe they are guilty of something and, given that you keep bringing up rape, you must think they are guilty of rape.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

1) It has been proven they are not children
2) Can you show me where I said specifically that all immigrants are guilty of rape?

No, it has not been proven. The Swedish police explicitly described them as children. If you do not think every immigrant is guilty of rape, then why do you keep bringing up rape to justify these beatings? Certainly you don't support beating innocent children. So you must believe they are guilty of something and, given that you keep bringing up rape, you must think they are guilty of rape.

Official Swedish policy states anyone who looks under the age of 40 and asserts he is a child is to be taken at his word. Forgive us if we are not all as trusting as you and the Swedish officials

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

1) It has been proven they are not children
2) Can you show me where I said specifically that all immigrants are guilty of rape?

No, it has not been proven. The Swedish police explicitly described them as children. If you do not think every immigrant is guilty of rape, then why do you keep bringing up rape to justify these beatings? Certainly you don't support beating innocent children. So you must believe they are guilty of something and, given that you keep bringing up rape, you must think they are guilty of rape.

Boy do you love your false dilemmas

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

1) It has been proven they are not children
2) Can you show me where I said specifically that all immigrants are guilty of rape?

No, it has not been proven. The Swedish police explicitly described them as children. If you do not think every immigrant is guilty of rape, then why do you keep bringing up rape to justify these beatings? Certainly you don't support beating innocent children. So you must believe they are guilty of something and, given that you keep bringing up rape, you must think they are guilty of rape.

According to the NYT, the Swedish police have been engaging in a cover-up. So I don't believe they are the most trustworthy. Do you really think if this group was made up of pre-pubescent children the government would need permission from them to find alternate living arrangements? I believe the teenager who was arrested for stabbing and murdering that woman, did indeed that. I believe those three men that were arrested for raping that British girl, did indeed that.

And I think if anyone is supporting these criminals, it's the 50 or so harassers in Britain, and clearly the Swedish police, who are not apparently taking little prepubescent kids off the streets.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I suggest you prove your own statement as true first. This is your M.O. - you make something up then claim someone else said it. Then you insult anyone else who doesn't agree with you.

Do you know how hateful it is to accuse that PP of not knowing the English language? And you accuse me of being phobic? Please!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

1) It has been proven they are not children
2) Can you show me where I said specifically that all immigrants are guilty of rape?

No, it has not been proven. The Swedish police explicitly described them as children. If you do not think every immigrant is guilty of rape, then why do you keep bringing up rape to justify these beatings? Certainly you don't support beating innocent children. So you must believe they are guilty of something and, given that you keep bringing up rape, you must think they are guilty of rape.

Boy do you love your false dilemmas

Yes he does. And apparently insulting those who's he feels English is not their first language.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I can't blame " is an idiom.
I guess if someone threw the baby out with the bath water you would call CPS?

What? Are you an English language learner? What do you think "I can't blame" means? Here is what the Oxford dictionary says:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/i-don't-or-can't-blame-you-or-her-etc.

"Used to indicate that one agrees that the action or attitude taken was reasonable"

If the OP also finds English challenging, it is easy enough for her to say that she misspoke and actually can blame the neo-Nazis. Instead she just keeps talking about women being raped as if that makes beating these children okay. One the one hand she claims she doesn't support the violence and on the other she suggests that all immigrants are guilty of rape. It is a strange contradiction.

In my experience the phrase is almost always used when talking about otherwise blameworthy behavior. See the examples from your link "I don't blame you for being loyal to your friend." clearly the implication is the friend did something wrong and "you" stuck by them.

That is obviously the way OP uses it, and the sense many here took it.

In other words, the person supports the other for standing by the friend. Notice, support is directed at the person who stood by, not the friend. But, as I said, the OP can easily clear this up by simply clarifying her statement that she doesn't blame the neo-Nazis for beating children.

I suggest you prove your own statement as true first. This is your M.O. - you make something up then claim someone else said it. Then you insult anyone else who doesn't agree with you.

Do you know how hateful it is to accuse that PP of not knowing the English language? And you accuse me of being phobic? Please!

The poster clearly find English challenging. She doesn't understand the meaning of a very common phrase. I'm sorry if that is insulting to her, but it is just fact. Given her lack of understanding of the statement, she should have stayed out of the discussion.

I am not sure what you are asking me to prove. You are the one who said you don't blame the neo-Nazis. If that does not mean that you support the neo-Nazis, why can't you simply say that you misspoke and that you actually do blame the neo-Nazis? I think you are trying to have it both ways. You say that you don't blame them, you keep bringing up rapes, and the you say, "what me? I don't support them." Pick your side Do you blame them or not?