Why do you call it "spanking" when it is "hitting"?

[Anonymous]

^ can you please cite the actual studies, not articles about the studies. I would like to read what they actually studied. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have no control groups. That is not research. (np)

Wrong again. The APA is a body of science, they always use scientific research.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:people doing these studies are crusaders in the OP mold.

They are scientists who are concerned about children who are being hit by the people in this world that they love and trust the most. They then take that "lesson" and keep applying it later in life to those that they love. It's concerning.

[Anonymous]

Did you even read what you posted? This is from your own link. Look what happens when you separate out the parents who are constantly smacking their kids out of the blue from the group that employs reasonable, controlled, moderate spanking. Spanking shows positive outcomes:

"In a meta-analysis of 26 studies, Larzelere and a colleague found that an approach they described as “conditional spanking” led to greater reductions in child defiance or anti-social behavior than 10 of 13 alternative discipline techniques, including reasoning, removal of privileges and time out (Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review, 2005). Larzelere defines conditional spanking as a disciplinary technique for 2- to 6-year-old children in which parents use two open-handed swats on the buttocks only after the child has defied milder discipline such as time out."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have no control groups. That is not research. (np)

Wrong again. The APA is a body of science, they always use scientific research. [/quote

Then please cite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:people doing these studies are crusaders in the OP mold.

They are scientists who are concerned about children who are being hit by the people in this world that they love and trust the most. They then take that "lesson" and keep applying it later in life to those that they love. It's concerning.

No, scientists understand the difference between causation and correlation. These people obviously don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have no control groups. That is not research. (np)

Wrong again. The APA is a body of science, they always use scientific research.

Wonderful! Show me the control groups.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, the thing is, we've already done the research. There aren't studies that show that moderate spanking is harmful. It's up to the family.

Nor can OP rewrite language and the meaning and usage of words.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the thing is, we've already done the research. There aren't studies that show that moderate spanking is harmful. It's up to the family.

Nor can OP rewrite language and the meaning and usage of words.

I agree that the validity of the research in either direction is questionable, but it's interesting that the little research there is that is unbiased enough to control only for moderate spanking actually shows benefits:

"In a meta-analysis of 26 studies, Larzelere and a colleague found that an approach they described as “conditional spanking” led to greater reductions in child defiance or anti-social behavior than 10 of 13 alternative discipline techniques, including reasoning, removal of privileges and time out (Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review, 2005). Larzelere defines conditional spanking as a disciplinary technique for 2- to 6-year-old children in which parents use two open-handed swats on the buttocks only after the child has defied milder discipline such as time out."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After reading through these forums and seeing the pride that so many take from hitting their children, I'm really curious about this.

You are hitting your children. Why not own it?

So they can sleep at night. It's hitting, straight up. If a spouse did it to them they'd be arrested

If a spouse continually behaved in a manner that I didn't like, I'd probably divorce the spouse. I can't divorce my kids. I think it's stupid logic to equate children to adults. One adult is not responsible for another adult; we don't have the same expectations of a child as we do an adult. I don't teach my spouse how to behave or make him do his work. I do all those things to my kids.

If I don't feed my spouse (unless incapacitated) I won't get arrested. I would get arrested if I didn't feed my child. I won't get arrested if I don't make my spouse go to work; I would if I don't make my kid go to school. I can go and on. Just bad logic.

Which is precisely the reason children should be protected from being hit. They are helpless.

You must be the same poster on that other thread about spanking. You've tried to use the same logic in that other thread.

Yes, kids are helpless to some degree, but kids also need to be disciplined. For some kids, taking away privileges works fine; for others, it doesn't. Every kid is different. Until you've parented every child on this earth, I don't think you are in any position to mandate how people should parent.

I think most people understand the difference between abuse and spanking, and the PP said it best, when you equate spanking to abuse, you are belittling real abuse. To equate a smack on the bottom of an 8 yr old with his clothes on with beating of a child with a bat is an insult to both kids.

Think about the case of the parent in Silver Spring who were investigated for child neglect for letting their kids walk home alone from the park. What some called neglect, others called free-range parenting. I think some parents have swung too far to the left in how kids should be treated and disciplined. This is going to produce a generation of bratty kids who don't know how to deal when they things don't go their way.

Too late. It already has.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unbelievable. You spanking parents seriously deny hitting your kids?! I had no idea...I am so anti spanking but that takes it to a new level. Hitting someone means forcefully bringing your hand towards any part of their body against the other persons will. That's what spanking is people. Wake up. Own it. You ARE hitting your children and if you can't even own that maybe you should re-think if spanking/hitting your child really is so very okay with you...since you can't even call it what it is.

Exactly my point. It seems that the word is so offensive the hitters have to pull out the dictionary and "prove" they aren't really hitting their kids. But that is what they are doing.

And notice how the hitters feel compelled to separate "beating" from "spanking"? Hitting a child in any way produces a psychological terror, the degree of it isn't nearly as damaging as the act of doing it.

Hahaha. This is funny. My kid would rather a quick spank than the removal of his beloved ipad and video game. Now to take away his electronics, is true psychological terror to him. PP, you speak mumbo jumbo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you even read what you posted? This is from your own link. Look what happens when you separate out the parents who are constantly smacking their kids out of the blue from the group that employs reasonable, controlled, moderate spanking. Spanking shows positive outcomes:

"In a meta-analysis of 26 studies, Larzelere and a colleague found that an approach they described as “conditional spanking” led to greater reductions in child defiance or anti-social behavior than 10 of 13 alternative discipline techniques, including reasoning, removal of privileges and time out (Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review, 2005). Larzelere defines conditional spanking as a disciplinary technique for 2- to 6-year-old children in which parents use two open-handed swats on the buttocks only after the child has defied milder discipline such as time out."

And there you have it. No, the poster who posted the study failed to read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you even read what you posted? This is from your own link. Look what happens when you separate out the parents who are constantly smacking their kids out of the blue from the group that employs reasonable, controlled, moderate spanking. Spanking shows positive outcomes:

"In a meta-analysis of 26 studies, Larzelere and a colleague found that an approach they described as “conditional spanking” led to greater reductions in child defiance or anti-social behavior than 10 of 13 alternative discipline techniques, including reasoning, removal of privileges and time out (Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review, 2005). Larzelere defines conditional spanking as a disciplinary technique for 2- to 6-year-old children in which parents use two open-handed swats on the buttocks only after the child has defied milder discipline such as time out."

And there you have it. No, the poster who posted the study failed to read.

I agree. Basically, there are a lot of really tragic family situations that many kids are growing up in, and if all you do for "research" is ask "Do you spank?" and allow that to include spanking for no good reason, spanking in a rage, spanking or smacking for every tiny thing, you're going to see that group have more negative outcomes. But that isn't good research. If you asked "Do you only drive your kids around in luxury cars?" The research on that would also show that buying a non-luxury car is correlated with negative outcomes for children.

[Anonymous]

Please just make sure to let people you meet know you are spanking your kids so I can tell you how disgusting that is and stay far away from you. Oh yes I know you wouldn't want to be my friend anyway blah blah...then own it. Be open and honest about your "parenting" ways. So middle ages...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please just make sure to let people you meet know you are spanking your kids so I can tell you how disgusting that is and stay far away from you. Oh yes I know you wouldn't want to be my friend anyway blah blah...then own it. Be open and honest about your "parenting" ways. So middle ages...

You want me to tell absolutely every person I meet that I spank my kids?