Parents of middle school girls, please...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents sure can't parent anymore and you look like fools when your kids look like tramps.

Eh. I'll worry about me; you worry about you.

That's right -- I think that people who dress trampy aren't very intelligent, so this all fits together. You go ahead and let your daughter embrace those short-shorts. I won't think she's slutty, but I will think she is pretty dim and that it's genetic.

[Anonymous]

Oh, PP, are you having a bad day? I'm sorry! I hope that tomorrow will be better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents sure can't parent anymore and you look like fools when your kids look like tramps.

Eh. I'll worry about me; you worry about you.

That's right -- I think that people who dress trampy aren't very intelligent, so this all fits together. You go ahead and let your daughter embrace those short-shorts. I won't think she's slutty, but I will think she is pretty dim and that it's genetic.

15:11 here, not the poster you quoted.

Alright then, and I will teach my DD to be glad that your attitude means you are likely to avoid her, because neither she nor I particularly want people who think like you in our lives. That judging attitude of yours must make your life so pleasant. And what business is it of yours what clothes others choose? Seriously, why on earth do you care, and why are you the one who gets to set the societal standard of "tramp"? Also, what good is that as a concept anyway?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, OP. This has nothing to do with slut shaming, but rather teaching vulnerable youngsters that (a) how they present themselves matters and (b) we live in a pedophilic society that sexualizes and objectifies children, especially girls. Of course girls and women should be able to live free of fear of victimization, but this is the world we live in. It just makes sense to keep butts, vaginas, and breasts covered.

I prefer this sentence: Girls and women should be able to live free of fear of victimization.

Yes. I also believe there should be no war and no poverty, but alas, we haven't put an end to them yet.
So, in the meantime, I will teach my MS-aged daughter to dress modestly, so that she doesn't give anyone the wrong impression. And I will teach my HS son to do the same.

So she doesn't give anyone the wrong impression? (What wrong impression, by the way?) Or so that she doesn't get victimized? Dressing "modestly" doesn't prevent you from being victimized. It doesn't even reduce your chances of being victimized. The only thing that prevents victimization is not encountering a victimizer.

I'm the original PP on this post. I guess I don't understand what your and other posters are advocating: booty shorts on whomever wants to wear them? You don't show up to your first day of work in flip flops and cutoff shorts (unless you're working at the beach), so why should dressing for school be any different?

Furthermore, even if a child isn't actively victimized, what merit is there in exposing your flesh? By no means am I a prude, but whenever I see a girl or woman wearing shorts that literally expose their buttcheeks, I'm wondering what the motivation is there. Adding two inches to them to the hem isn't "bowing to opressive patriarchal forces," it's presenting oneself decently.

[Anonymous]

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I'm the original PP on this post. I guess I don't understand what your and other posters are advocating: booty shorts on whomever wants to wear them? You don't show up to your first day of work in flip flops and cutoff shorts (unless you're working at the beach), so why should dressing for school be any different?

Furthermore, even if a child isn't actively victimized, what merit is there in exposing your flesh? By no means am I a prude, but whenever I see a girl or woman wearing shorts that literally expose their buttcheeks, I'm wondering what the motivation is there. Adding two inches to them to the hem isn't "bowing to opressive patriarchal forces," it's presenting oneself decently.

What am I advocating is that you wear the clothes that you want to wear and find appropriate, and let other people do the same. If somebody wears clothes to school that violate the dress code, that's their concern and the school's concern, not yours.

And if you want to know why a girl/woman wears shorts you find too short, you should ask her. Maybe she'll answer your question. Maybe she'll tell you it's none of your business.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I'm the original PP on this post. I guess I don't understand what your and other posters are advocating: booty shorts on whomever wants to wear them? You don't show up to your first day of work in flip flops and cutoff shorts (unless you're working at the beach), so why should dressing for school be any different?

Furthermore, even if a child isn't actively victimized, what merit is there in exposing your flesh? By no means am I a prude, but whenever I see a girl or woman wearing shorts that literally expose their buttcheeks, I'm wondering what the motivation is there. Adding two inches to them to the hem isn't "bowing to opressive patriarchal forces," it's presenting oneself decently.

What am I advocating is that you wear the clothes that you want to wear and find appropriate, and let other people do the same. If somebody wears clothes to school that violate the dress code, that's their concern and the school's concern, not yours.

And if you want to know why a girl/woman wears shorts you find too short, you should ask her. Maybe she'll answer your question. Maybe she'll tell you it's none of your business.

Of course it's none of my business, but I struggle to understand how someone would be comfortable like that. School is an environment for learning - it's not a party or a time to "hang out." I believe students and teachers should dress accordingly.

[Anonymous]

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Of course it's none of my business, but I struggle to understand how someone would be comfortable like that. School is an environment for learning - it's not a party or a time to "hang out." I believe students and teachers should dress accordingly.

Maybe they like how it looks. Maybe they like how it makes them feel. Maybe they like to be fashionable. Maybe they like to shock the bourgeoisie. Who knows? Different people have different reasons. If you're not their principal, their boss, or their parent, you don't have to worry about it.

[Anonymous]

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Of course it's none of my business, but I struggle to understand how someone would be comfortable like that. School is an environment for learning - it's not a party or a time to "hang out." I believe students and teachers should dress accordingly.

Maybe they like how it looks. Maybe they like how it makes them feel. Maybe they like to be fashionable. Maybe they like to shock the bourgeoisie. Who knows? Different people have different reasons. If you're not their principal, their boss, or their parent, you don't have to worry about it.

I like to be fashionable, too, but in ways that don't involve exposing my ass. To each their own.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm the original PP on this post. I guess I don't understand what your and other posters are advocating: booty shorts on whomever wants to wear them? You don't show up to your first day of work in flip flops and cutoff shorts (unless you're working at the beach), so why should dressing for school be any different?

Furthermore, even if a child isn't actively victimized, what merit is there in exposing your flesh? By no means am I a prude, but whenever I see a girl or woman wearing shorts that literally expose their buttcheeks, I'm wondering what the motivation is there. Adding two inches to them to the hem isn't "bowing to opressive patriarchal forces," it's presenting oneself decently.

What am I advocating is that you wear the clothes that you want to wear and find appropriate, and let other people do the same. If somebody wears clothes to school that violate the dress code, that's their concern and the school's concern, not yours.

And if you want to know why a girl/woman wears shorts you find too short, you should ask her. Maybe she'll answer your question. Maybe she'll tell you it's none of your business.

Of course it's none of my business, but I struggle to understand how someone would be comfortable like that. School is an environment for learning - it's not a party or a time to "hang out." I believe students and teachers should dress accordingly.

I struggle to understand how people are comfortable in lots of different outfits, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that they are. Only the one wearing the clothes makes much sense to me to decide what clothes are worn. Yes, school is an environment for learning. And, like all other things, I think people are likely to do best when they're as comfortable as possible within the constraints of the rules. Whatever permitted clothing my child feels comfortable, happy, and confident in is fine by me. She mixes it up pretty frequently depending on the day, her schedule, and her mood. Not sure how someone else's clothing should matter to what a student does at school...and if my child's clothing causes her a distraction that's a matter for me, her, and her teacher to sort out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course it's none of my business, but I struggle to understand how someone would be comfortable like that. School is an environment for learning - it's not a party or a time to "hang out." I believe students and teachers should dress accordingly.

Maybe they like how it looks. Maybe they like how it makes them feel. Maybe they like to be fashionable. Maybe they like to shock the bourgeoisie. Who knows? Different people have different reasons. If you're not their principal, their boss, or their parent, you don't have to worry about it.

I like to be fashionable, too, but in ways that don't involve exposing my ass. To each their own.

Precisely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course it's none of my business, but I struggle to understand how someone would be comfortable like that. School is an environment for learning - it's not a party or a time to "hang out." I believe students and teachers should dress accordingly.

Maybe they like how it looks. Maybe they like how it makes them feel. Maybe they like to be fashionable. Maybe they like to shock the bourgeoisie. Who knows? Different people have different reasons. If you're not their principal, their boss, or their parent, you don't have to worry about it.

I like to be fashionable, too, but in ways that don't involve exposing my ass. To each their own.

Exactly! There's nothing objectively wrong with choosing to either expose or not expose any body part not addressed by regulation or policy... so why not just let everyone make their own choices, mind our own business, and stop the judging?

[Anonymous]

Don't they all stick to the chairs in short shorts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm the original PP on this post. I guess I don't understand what your and other posters are advocating: booty shorts on whomever wants to wear them? You don't show up to your first day of work in flip flops and cutoff shorts (unless you're working at the beach), so why should dressing for school be any different?

Furthermore, even if a child isn't actively victimized, what merit is there in exposing your flesh? By no means am I a prude, but whenever I see a girl or woman wearing shorts that literally expose their buttcheeks, I'm wondering what the motivation is there. Adding two inches to them to the hem isn't "bowing to opressive patriarchal forces," it's presenting oneself decently.

What am I advocating is that you wear the clothes that you want to wear and find appropriate, and let other people do the same. If somebody wears clothes to school that violate the dress code, that's their concern and the school's concern, not yours.

And if you want to know why a girl/woman wears shorts you find too short, you should ask her. Maybe she'll answer your question. Maybe she'll tell you it's none of your business.

Of course it's none of my business, but I struggle to understand how someone would be comfortable like that. School is an environment for learning - it's not a party or a time to "hang out." I believe students and teachers should dress accordingly.

I struggle to understand how people are comfortable in lots of different outfits, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that they are. Only the one wearing the clothes makes much sense to me to decide what clothes are worn. Yes, school is an environment for learning. And, like all other things, I think people are likely to do best when they're as comfortable as possible within the constraints of the rules. Whatever permitted clothing my child feels comfortable, happy, and confident in is fine by me. She mixes it up pretty frequently depending on the day, her schedule, and her mood. Not sure how someone else's clothing should matter to what a student does at school...and if my child's clothing causes her a distraction that's a matter for me, her, and her teacher to sort out.

No matter what? I don't understand this. I thought our job as adults is to guide our children, even if it means imposing rules that they don't like if it's in their best interest. And, yes, I think prohibiting booty shorts for tween girls is in their best interest.

I think you're being unrealistically idealistic. If a boy wore a shirt to school featuring a graphic of a woman in a string bikini, I would think (a) that it's sexist and (b) that it's distracting to other students. What do you think?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course it's none of my business, but I struggle to understand how someone would be comfortable like that. School is an environment for learning - it's not a party or a time to "hang out." I believe students and teachers should dress accordingly.

Maybe they like how it looks. Maybe they like how it makes them feel. Maybe they like to be fashionable. Maybe they like to shock the bourgeoisie. Who knows? Different people have different reasons. If you're not their principal, their boss, or their parent, you don't have to worry about it.

I like to be fashionable, too, but in ways that don't involve exposing my ass. To each their own.

Exactly! There's nothing objectively wrong with choosing to either expose or not expose any body part not addressed by regulation or policy... so why not just let everyone make their own choices, mind our own business, and stop the judging?

But we're talking about the school environment. Do you REALLY not think that there is clothing that might be inappropriate to wear to school?

[Anonymous]

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But we're talking about the school environment. Do you REALLY not think that there is clothing that might be inappropriate to wear to school?

I'm not the PP, but I think that's an issue for the student, the parent, and the principal. If you're not the student, or the parent, or the principal, then you can cross this off your list of things to worry about.