Parents of middle school girls, please...

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Anonymous wrote:MS teacher here. I really don't understand why so many here have a problem with the concept of a dress code. Do you want your children to learn while at school? Or do you want them to be constantly distracted by the clothing choices of the students around them? Sure, you could argue that kids shouldn't be distracted, that middle school boys shouldn't want to look at girls' bodies, etc., but they DO. And it's difficult to keep them focused on their work when girls are dressed in short shorts, sheer tops, and black bras. Ditto for the girls when a boy walks in in a muscle shirt and baggy pants below his waist.

Also, school is like a kid's job. Students need to learn what constitutes appropriate dress in public, so that they can grow up to dress appropriately in the workplace. They won't suddenly learn what is appropriate dress if they are not learning it in middle and high school.

Please, remember that schools want to teach your kids. Please help us do that by sending them to school fed, with homework done, and dressed appropriately.




Nobody here on this thread has had a problem with the concept of a dress code.

Maybe you need to re-read the thread carefully. There are quite a few people on here that are not doing their part to support school dress codes. I consider this a problem.

We had uniforms for both boys and girls K thru 12. No inappropriate clothing, no brand name flashing, no her clothes are better than mine shit. Problem solved. I didn't grow up in the US

My daughter is in a non- religious private and we love the uniforms. So much cheaper and easier. Many public schools in America have them. Just not around here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MS teacher here. I really don't understand why so many here have a problem with the concept of a dress code. Do you want your children to learn while at school? Or do you want them to be constantly distracted by the clothing choices of the students around them? Sure, you could argue that kids shouldn't be distracted, that middle school boys shouldn't want to look at girls' bodies, etc., but they DO. And it's difficult to keep them focused on their work when girls are dressed in short shorts, sheer tops, and black bras. Ditto for the girls when a boy walks in in a muscle shirt and baggy pants below his waist.

Also, school is like a kid's job. Students need to learn what constitutes appropriate dress in public, so that they can grow up to dress appropriately in the workplace. They won't suddenly learn what is appropriate dress if they are not learning it in middle and high school.

Please, remember that schools want to teach your kids. Please help us do that by sending them to school fed, with homework done, and dressed appropriately.

So well said. Thank you.

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That makes no sense. No on is allowed to set rules except the school administrator. The rule is already set. Of course it's everybody's business if someone breaks the rules. Are you saying no one should report rule breaking? Or discuss it?

Do you really mean this? Yikes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MS teacher here. I really don't understand why so many here have a problem with the concept of a dress code. Do you want your children to learn while at school? Or do you want them to be constantly distracted by the clothing choices of the students around them? Sure, you could argue that kids shouldn't be distracted, that middle school boys shouldn't want to look at girls' bodies, etc., but they DO. And it's difficult to keep them focused on their work when girls are dressed in short shorts, sheer tops, and black bras. Ditto for the girls when a boy walks in in a muscle shirt and baggy pants below his waist.

Also, school is like a kid's job. Students need to learn what constitutes appropriate dress in public, so that they can grow up to dress appropriately in the workplace. They won't suddenly learn what is appropriate dress if they are not learning it in middle and high school.

Please, remember that schools want to teach your kids. Please help us do that by sending them to school fed, with homework done, and dressed appropriately.

I agree. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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That makes no sense. No on is allowed to set rules except the school administrator. The rule is already set. Of course it's everybody's business if someone breaks the rules. Are you saying no one should report rule breaking? Or discuss it?

Do you really mean this? Yikes.

Yes. Of course. Now I don't mean everyone should go all vigilante enforcing rules themselves, but rules generally exist for the benefit of the community, so breaking them harms the community, ie everybody.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That makes no sense. No on is allowed to set rules except the school administrator. The rule is already set. Of course it's everybody's business if someone breaks the rules. Are you saying no one should report rule breaking? Or discuss it?

Do you really mean this? Yikes.

Yes. Of course. Now I don't mean everyone should go all vigilante enforcing rules themselves, but rules generally exist for the benefit of the community, so breaking them harms the community, ie everybody.

What a fortunate life you must have led.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That makes no sense. No on is allowed to set rules except the school administrator. The rule is already set. Of course it's everybody's business if someone breaks the rules. Are you saying no one should report rule breaking? Or discuss it?

Do you really mean this? Yikes.

Yes. Of course. Now I don't mean everyone should go all vigilante enforcing rules themselves, but rules generally exist for the benefit of the community, so breaking them harms the community, ie everybody.

What a fortunate life you must have led.

Ridiculous assumption based on nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That makes no sense. No on is allowed to set rules except the school administrator. The rule is already set. Of course it's everybody's business if someone breaks the rules. Are you saying no one should report rule breaking? Or discuss it?

Do you really mean this? Yikes.

Yes. Of course. Now I don't mean everyone should go all vigilante enforcing rules themselves, but rules generally exist for the benefit of the community, so breaking them harms the community, ie everybody.

What a fortunate life you must have led.

Ridiculous assumption based on nothing.

People who say that rules generally exist for the benefit of the community have never been on the wrong side of rules that exist for the benefit of only part of the community. That makes these people fortunate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That makes no sense. No on is allowed to set rules except the school administrator. The rule is already set. Of course it's everybody's business if someone breaks the rules. Are you saying no one should report rule breaking? Or discuss it?

Do you really mean this? Yikes.

Yes. Of course. Now I don't mean everyone should go all vigilante enforcing rules themselves, but rules generally exist for the benefit of the community, so breaking them harms the community, ie everybody.

What a fortunate life you must have led.

So you think rules generally do not exist for the benefit of the community. Ok. We should just throw out the criminal and civil code because you think only unusually fortunate people benefit from it. You're out of touch with reality. Of course SOME rules are there to benefit the few or really benefit no one, but generally the represent the democratic will of the people. So yes generally they exist for the benefit of the community. Regardless of how fortunate one is. Who do you imagine the dress code is victimizing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That makes no sense. No on is allowed to set rules except the school administrator. The rule is already set. Of course it's everybody's business if someone breaks the rules. Are you saying no one should report rule breaking? Or discuss it?

Do you really mean this? Yikes.

Yes. Of course. Now I don't mean everyone should go all vigilante enforcing rules themselves, but rules generally exist for the benefit of the community, so breaking them harms the community, ie everybody.

What a fortunate life you must have led.

Ridiculous assumption based on nothing.

People who say that rules generally exist for the benefit of the community have never been on the wrong side of rules that exist for the benefit of only part of the community. That makes these people fortunate.

Ok. So then my DH who is a URM and grew up on foodstamps is fortunate. But I'm sure the rules have victimized you. Right.
Also, your logic has a huge hole in it. A person can have been on the unfortunate side of a rule or rules and still think that rules "generally" exist for the benefit of the community. Most people who seek to change some rules because they're unjust don't seek to do away with all rules. Because they're not stupid.

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So you think rules generally do not exist for the benefit of the community. Ok. We should just throw out the criminal and civil code because you think only unusually fortunate people benefit from it. You're out of touch with reality. Of course SOME rules are there to benefit the few or really benefit no one, but generally the represent the democratic will of the people. So yes generally they exist for the benefit of the community. Regardless of how fortunate one is. Who do you imagine the dress code is victimizing?

Victimizing is not the right word.

In a perfect world, school dress codes would focus solely on the appropriateness of clothing for school and would be consistently enforced. But we don't live in a perfect world.

Also, school dress codes represent the democratic will of the people?

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Ok. So then my DH who is a URM and grew up on foodstamps is fortunate. But I'm sure the rules have victimized you. Right.
Also, your logic has a huge hole in it. A person can have been on the unfortunate side of a rule or rules and still think that rules "generally" exist for the benefit of the community. Most people who seek to change some rules because they're unjust don't seek to do away with all rules. Because they're not stupid.

Who is seeking to do away with all rules?

Some rules actually do benefit the whole community. Some rules benefit parts of the community and disadvantage other parts of the community.

[Anonymous]

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Ok. So then my DH who is a URM and grew up on foodstamps is fortunate. But I'm sure the rules have victimized you. Right.
Also, your logic has a huge hole in it. A person can have been on the unfortunate side of a rule or rules and still think that rules "generally" exist for the benefit of the community. Most people who seek to change some rules because they're unjust don't seek to do away with all rules. Because they're not stupid.

Who is seeking to do away with all rules?

Some rules actually do benefit the whole community. Some rules benefit parts of the community and disadvantage other parts of the community.

I stand by they generally exist for the benefit of the community. No one say always. Generally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

So you think rules generally do not exist for the benefit of the community. Ok. We should just throw out the criminal and civil code because you think only unusually fortunate people benefit from it. You're out of touch with reality. Of course SOME rules are there to benefit the few or really benefit no one, but generally the represent the democratic will of the people. So yes generally they exist for the benefit of the community. Regardless of how fortunate one is. Who do you imagine the dress code is victimizing?

Victimizing is not the right word.

In a perfect world, school dress codes would focus solely on the appropriateness of clothing for school and would be consistently enforced. But we don't live in a perfect world.

Also, school dress codes represent the democratic will of the people?

Sure they do. Who do you think picks your principals? School Board and other elected people. And they reflect cultural norms. Which I get you don't like, but that doesn't mean they don't reflect the popular will. Just means you're in the minority. Most people don't think kids butts should be exposed at school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ok. So then my DH who is a URM and grew up on foodstamps is fortunate. But I'm sure the rules have victimized you. Right.
Also, your logic has a huge hole in it. A person can have been on the unfortunate side of a rule or rules and still think that rules "generally" exist for the benefit of the community. Most people who seek to change some rules because they're unjust don't seek to do away with all rules. Because they're not stupid.

Who is seeking to do away with all rules?

Some rules actually do benefit the whole community. Some rules benefit parts of the community and disadvantage other parts of the community.

I stand by they generally exist for the benefit of the community. No one say always. Generally.

Oh and also that your smug, presumptuous statement that I must have lives such a fortunate life does not follow from my statement. I'm intelligent, which means I can distinguish my experience having been on the unlucky side of a couple of rules from the general truth that they generally exist for the benefit of the community. And I work to change the rules that do suck.