College parent helicoptering!

[Anonymous]

"Second and most important, the disrespect shown on here towards those in education is exactly why the US is not ranked higher in academic achievement. "


Huh? The U.S. College Education system is the envy of the world - foreign students fight to come here.

As for the "professor" who is now a DCUM, I hope you understand that your insight is based on a limited number of schools (likely one) in a certain geographic region (here - unless it is old information). At most you can speak with some authority as to the one or two schools you had experience with years ago.

If you are the person making personal attacks on other DCUM's, then you must have been a lovely professor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Second and most important, the disrespect shown on here towards those in education is exactly why the US is not ranked higher in academic achievement. "


Huh? The U.S. College Education system is the envy of the world - foreign students fight to come here.

As for the "professor" who is now a DCUM, I hope you understand that your insight is based on a limited number of schools (likely one) in a certain geographic region (here - unless it is old information). At most you can speak with some authority as to the one or two schools you had experience with years ago.

If you are the person making personal attacks on other DCUM's, then you must have been a lovely professor.

NP: This statement drives home that you have no idea what you are talking about. You should probably stop responding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:College prof here --- Parents who help with college papers are preventing their kids from learning. Parents who contact professors or administrators on their child's behalf get a reputation as nutbags. When we have to write a letter of recommendation for your child for grad school or a job, we are not inclined to describe them as mature, self-starters, energetic go-getters, etc.

I have no problem with parents making sure that the college and professors are providing their child with a high-quality education, especially since they are paying for it, in many cases! You wouldn't say the same about a shareholder checking in on a business that they've invested in, would you?

Not the same thing. Part of being a good parent is equipping your child for self-determination and then letting go. That is what they deserve, and nothing less.

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Anonymous wrote:College prof here --- Parents who help with college papers are preventing their kids from learning. Parents who contact professors or administrators on their child's behalf get a reputation as nutbags. When we have to write a letter of recommendation for your child for grad school or a job, we are not inclined to describe them as mature, self-starters, energetic go-getters, etc.

Don't worry our recommendation is coming from a Senator.

Oh wow. So many reasons why I feel sorry for your kid. Not that you would get it.

Real the professor has no clue how little his input matters.

Well for the 99.99% of kids who aren't getting letters from a Senator (by the way, ), it does matter, and the words the professor noted are exactly the kinds of things an employer is looking for, so it is a very relevant warning.

PS Women can be professors, too.

99% of kids don't care to get a recommendation from a professor. It his arrogance that give academics a bad reputation.

You notice there is no thread what is more prestigious a professor or a doctor.

Oh, the ignorance on here is stifling.

First, medical students are REQUIRED to get several recommendations from professors before and during medical school, which demolishes your point entirely.

Second and most important, the disrespect shown on here towards those in education is exactly why the US is not ranked higher in academic achievement.
No, professors in this country are forced to bend over backwards to cater to students and their parents. The university administration forces them to never give a bad grade or critique their students. Their careers are dependent on student ratings, which is veritable folly, since student reviews are higher if their grades are higher.

I have taught at the college level here and I have been a student in European institutions. Coming from abroad, I was warned specifically that I could not grade the same way I was used to and that the university could be sued if I didn't sugar-coat everything. The level of academic rigor is much, much higher, in Europe and elsewhere, and the professors don't hesitate to tell you exactly what's wrong with your work at the earliest opportunity! Here the molly-coddling and fear of being sued is through the roof, and with growing global competition this generation of students will not survive if they don't learn to take direction and criticism.

[b]Yada Yama yada.... You are a professor so you don't really understand how the real working world works.

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And you're an ignorant fool....but by all means, keep spewing your nonsense. As PP noted, I feel sorry for your kids.

I agree.

[Anonymous]

Your job as a parent is to get them ready for life on their own. When they are 18 they should be able to do it on their own. They are learning even if they are "failing" at certain aspects of life.

[Anonymous]

No, professors in this country are forced to bend over backwards to cater to students and their parents. The university administration forces them to never give a bad grade or critique their students. Their careers are dependent on student ratings, which is veritable folly, since student reviews are higher if their grades are higher.

I have taught at the college level here and I have been a student in European institutions. Coming from abroad, I was warned specifically that I could not grade the same way I was used to and that the university could be sued if I didn't sugar-coat everything. The level of academic rigor is much, much higher, in Europe and elsewhere, and the professors don't hesitate to tell you exactly what's wrong with your work at the earliest opportunity! Here the molly-coddling and fear of being sued is through the roof, and with growing global competition this generation of students will not survive if they don't learn to take direction and criticism.

- I am sorry you had to deal with this.

This makes me crazy. If a student deserves to fail then they should. I hope my kids look for schools over seas.

I also think parents should not be allowed to talk to professors about their kids.

[Anonymous]

I played golf with an adjunct professor at UVA and he complained about getting calls from parents regarding their "child's" test scores. He was an adjunct professor in the Med School!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:College prof here --- Parents who help with college papers are preventing their kids from learning. Parents who contact professors or administrators on their child's behalf get a reputation as nutbags. When we have to write a letter of recommendation for your child for grad school or a job, we are not inclined to describe them as mature, self-starters, energetic go-getters, etc.

Don't worry our recommendation is coming from a Senator.

Your poor kid, that's the kiss of death. Don't you know that having somebody who barely knows your kid write the rec is going to result in a rec that says nothing about your kid and gets ignored? You should go over to the Private School forum where everybody seems in agreement on this point.

[Anonymous]

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I have no problem with parents making sure that the college and professors are providing their child with a high-quality education, especially since they are paying for it, in many cases! You wouldn't say the same about a shareholder checking in on a business that they've invested in, would you?

This is another problem, of a different sort: why do you think professors should spoon-feed your child 100%?

Professors, like your child's future employers and co-workers, are human, and some are great and others not so much. You child needs to learn the skills of getting what he needs (in this case, information) from various sources (in this case, textbooks, online). My kid, at one of that Shanghai ranking's top 10 universities (see the other thread), is sometimes in the position of compensating for a weak prof here or there. And IMO that's actually a very good thing.

Can I ask you professors, how often do you get calls from pushy parents? I know some parents are totally egregious. But is this <1% of parents or 10% of parents? Or, gasp, more?

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Anonymous wrote:"Second and most important, the disrespect shown on here towards those in education is exactly why the US is not ranked higher in academic achievement. "


Huh? The U.S. College Education system is the envy of the world - foreign students fight to come here.

As for the "professor" who is now a DCUM, I hope you understand that your insight is based on a limited number of schools (likely one) in a certain geographic region (here - unless it is old information). At most you can speak with some authority as to the one or two schools you had experience with years ago.

If you are the person making personal attacks on other DCUM's, then you must have been a lovely professor.

NP: This statement drives home that you have no idea what you are talking about. You should probably stop responding.

14:17 again. A better answer would have been:

Huh? According to the Shanghai ranking, the US has 8 of the top 10 universities in the world, 16 of the top 20, and so on. http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2014.html.

Carry on bashing the helicopter parents, though. You have my full support, except in cases where the child has learning or mental impairments.