To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics
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This is all quite silly especially considering the fact the second generation kids (per statistics) perform poorer than their parents. MoCo has to know this... Targeting high performing immigrants whose numbers in no way threaten the white power structure is silly in light of the fact that these immigrants children become "americanized" and lose their advantage.
Interesting point of view similar to the language I read as a student studying the history of South Africa many decades ago. This may explain the poster's blind spot! How often history repeats itself. If there are minds who think like you in MCPS leadership and the College Board it is no wonder policy blunders are made for whistleblowers to unveil. |
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Seriously doubt it. The US Department of Education has tons of datasets available. I used one of their datasets for a class during my Master's degree in public policy (data from PG and MO) and as I stated earlier - the gap I found was between white/Asian and black/hispanic. Not between white and Asian. And plenty of other research backs this up. I still don't really understand why you are so upset about this. You truly seem to be anti-Asian so why do you care if your premise is true? Why do you care if MO CO wants to "hold back" Asian students? Finally - I dare say there are many white parents who are upset by the lack of math acceleration because they feel their kids will no longer be able to advance. So I really don't see how this whole thing ends up "helping" white kids get ahead.... |
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The Tea bagger with graduate degree in public policy just got T-boned.
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That poster was talking about numbers of whites versus numbers of Asians. That has nothing to do with my argument at all. Please answer the questions I asked. Thanks. |
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Not to mention the dataset I studied did not go into who was first generation or second. The data simply showed the gap is between white/Asian and black/Hispanic. Prove I'm wrong. |
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| The defense rest its case. |
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with absolutely nothing to back it up. you are seriously sad |
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Seriously doubt it. The US Department of Education has tons of datasets available. anI used one of their datasets for a class during my Master's degree in public policy (data from PG and MO)d as I stated earlier - the gap I found was between white/Asian and black/hispanic. Not between white and Asian. And plenty of other research backs this up.
I still don't really understand why you are so upset about this. You truly seem to be anti-Asian so why do you care if your premise is true? Why do you care if MO CO wants to "hold back" Asian students? Finally - I dare say there are many white parents who are upset by the lack of math acceleration because they feel their kids will no longer be able to advance. So I really don't see how this whole thing ends up "helping" white kids get ahead.. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ When were you in graduate school? What decade? The datasets for these 'studies" covered what time period? |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/achievement-gap-widening-between-asian-american-students-and-everyone-else/2011/04/05/AF5YvclC_story.html |
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I don't profess to have any fancy graduate degrees or the knowledge and expertise you possess; but if you need more data for your graduate studies, or even continual educational credits in public policy I would be most happy to provide you with reams of data ... or as the experts call it "tons of datasets". Just let me know. Sometimes if you listen to your children they will tell you whether there is a performance gap between Asians and Whites in Montgomery County and MCPS. These innocent souls haven't yet acquired the Tea baggage of some adults. Simply ask the children in MCPS. They will tell you. The MCPS leadership should have asked our children whether they would want the option to advance in mathematics if able, willing and capable before this blunder. |
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Achievement gap widening between Asian American students and everyone else By Kevin Sieff, Published: April 5, 2011 Washington Post As policymakers over the past decade focused on closing the achievement gap between white students and underrepresented minorities, another rift was widening: the gap between Asian American students and everyone else. A new study from the Center on Education Policy underscores how significantly Asian American students outpace their peers, particularly in Maryland and Virginia. The data focus on student achievement on eighth-grade state standardized tests, including a rare analysis of student performance at advanced levels. It is at those levels that the exceptional — and rapidly improving — achievement of Asian American middle- schoolers was most pronounced. Nationwide, the percentage of Asian American students scoring in the upper echelons on math exams was 17 points higher than the percentage of white students. Notably, that gap has continued to widen in more recent years. In Virginia, for example, Asian American students’ advanced-level math performance leapt from 59 percent to 76 percent between 2006 and 2009, compared with an increase from 43 percent to 58 percent for white students. In Maryland, that same pattern was apparent on reading tests. The percentage of Asian American students who tested in advanced levels grew from 40 percent to 58 percent between 2006 and 2009. The percentage of white students in that category grew from 35 percent to 48 percent. “The lesson for other groups is that effort counts. Asian American students are working harder, doing better and getting ahead,” said Jack Jennings, president of the Center on Education Policy. In Fairfax and Montgomery counties, Asian American students outperform their white peers at the advanced level in several subject areas, but those gaps do not appear to be growing at the same pace as in the rest of their states or the nation. Fairfax officials said they hadn’t studied the issue. “When we look at the achievement gap, we look at white and Asian students on one side, and African American and Latinos on the other,” said Fairfax County Public Schools spokesman Paul Regnier. “That particular gap isn’t something we’ve looked at specifically.” Jennings points out that the Asian American subgroup is an imperfect monolith — including students whose families hail from countries as diverse as Japan and Jordan. There are clear disparities within the subgroup. Pacific Islanders, for example, don’t perform as well as Korean students on standardized tests. But in most states, Asian Americans — sometimes labeled a “model minority” — outperformed all other subpopulations. Some scholars are quick to argue against that label, saying it plays down the diversity, and the challenges, that pervade the subpopulation. “In reality, there are significant numbers of Asian American and Pacific Islander students who struggle with poverty, who are English-language learners increasingly likely to leave school with rudimentary language skills, who are at risk of dropping out, joining gangs and remaining on the margins of society,” said a 2008 report, “Facts, Not Fiction: Setting the Record Straight,” from the National Commission on Asian American and Pacific Islander Research in Education. The achievement gap is most commonly measured by the number of students who are considered “proficient” in a given subject. By those measures, the gap between historically underperforming minority groups and white students is shrinking in eighth grade, according to the study. But when the data focuses on achievement at advanced levels, the gap is widening — between white and Asian students, but also between African American and Hispanic students and their white peers. “It looks like we’re raising the bottom, but not so much helping students in the middle get to the top,” Jennings said. |
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I totally agree with you. But I need to point out: 1. The poster is Asian herself, not anti-Asian. You have to follow through to her links and read through tons of irrelevant stuff, but if you separate the wheat from all the chaff, her emphasis is in Asian performance. 2. I wonder if this is the poster who is big on prepping for tests instead of doing sports. Same writing style. 3. I think she may be upset about Asian admissions to the MoCo magnets. She's also posted on the DCUM College Forum about Asian admittance rates to Harvard. Here, I even have a little sympathy, because I think it may be true that Asian kids need higher scores for places like Harvard, although I have no stake on this issue myself. For MoCo magnets, though, I don't believe there's any data on admissions by race, so any argument here is pure speculation. However, I can say unscientifically that there are "lots" of Asians at the Takoma and Blair magnets, probably more than their representation by race in MoCo, and at the Takoma promotion last night there were many, many Asians, including the SGA president and VP. But if her issue is Asian admission rates to MoCo magnets, she needs to say that. And try to provide data, although I'm not sure it exists. She's only making herself look unhinged with this ridiculous theory that ending math acceleration is because the "old guard" whites are trying to hold back Asians. Not to mention all the sock puppetting. There are two excellent refutations to her crazy theory about the end of math acceleration: (a) the part your post I bolded, and (b) MoCo is all about teaching to the middle so they can do well on national testing. |
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totally agree with you. But I need to point out:
1. The poster is Asian herself, not anti-Asian. You have to follow through to her links and read through tons of irrelevant stuff, but if you separate the wheat from all the chaff, her emphasis is in Asian performance. 2. I wonder if this is the poster who is big on prepping for tests instead of doing sports. Same writing style. 3. I think she may be upset about Asian admissions to the MoCo magnets. She's also posted on the DCUM College Forum about Asian admittance rates to Harvard. Here, I even have a little sympathy, because I think it may be true that Asian kids need higher scores for places like Harvard, although I have no stake on this issue myself. For MoCo magnets, though, I don't believe there's any data on admissions by race, so any argument here is pure speculation. However, I can say unscientifically that there are "lots" of Asians at the Takoma and Blair magnets, probably more than their representation by race in MoCo, and at the Takoma promotion last night there were many, many Asians, including the SGA president and VP. But if her issue is Asian admission rates to MoCo magnets, she needs to say that. And try to provide data, although I'm not sure it exists. She's only making herself look unhinged with this ridiculous theory that ending math acceleration is because the "old guard" whites are trying to hold back Asians. Not to mention all the sock puppetting. There are two excellent refutations to her crazy theory about the end of math acceleration: (a) the part your post I bolded, and (b) MoCo is all about teaching to the middle so they can do well on national testing.
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totally agree with you. But I need to point out: 1. The poster is Asian herself, not anti-Asian. You have to follow through to her links and read through tons of irrelevant stuff, but if you separate the wheat from all the chaff, her emphasis is in Asian performance. 2. I wonder if this is the poster who is big on prepping for tests instead of doing sports. Same writing style. 3. I think she may be upset about Asian admissions to the MoCo magnets. She's also posted on the DCUM College Forum about Asian admittance rates to Harvard. Here, I even have a little sympathy, because I think it may be true that Asian kids need higher scores for places like Harvard, although I have no stake on this issue myself. For MoCo magnets, though, I don't believe there's any data on admissions by race, so any argument here is pure speculation. However, I can say unscientifically that there are "lots" of Asians at the Takoma and Blair magnets, probably more than their representation by race in MoCo, and at the Takoma promotion last night there were many, many Asians, including the SGA president and VP. But if her issue is Asian admission rates to MoCo magnets, she needs to say that. And try to provide data, although I'm not sure it exists. She's only making herself look unhinged with this ridiculous theory that ending math acceleration is because the "old guard" whites are trying to hold back Asians. Not to mention all the sock puppetting. There are two excellent refutations to her crazy theory about the end of math acceleration: (a) the part your post I bolded, and (b) MoCo is all about teaching to the middle so they can do well on national testing.
So, so wrong. Liberal democrat and top 3 Ivy for graduate school, thank you very much. I just happen to think you're a horrible writer and absolutely nuts. |
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