Full pays oos at UVA, UMICH, UCB, UNC worth it???????

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy town, 85k average now for most, UNC is low 70s. Hard to believe it would be worth it but I guess they cater to rich people.

Anybody have positive outcomes justifying these costs? Or just hardcore legacies or prestige chasing parents?

Go to Instate community college and invest the money for them.

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The yield rates for OOS students at UCLA and UCB are under 20% for a reason. Every one wants to apply there. Then when admitted they find out they are paying private school pricing for a public school.

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UNC oos yield is also sub 20, same story. UMICH took 20% of its class from waitlist, 1600+ students last year. wtf is up with that?

Seems to be these oos options are safeties for the t10 crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy town, 85k average now for most, UNC is low 70s. Hard to believe it would be worth it but I guess they cater to rich people.

Anybody have positive outcomes justifying these costs? Or just hardcore legacies or prestige chasing parents?

Top publics are as good as many top privates. Period.

Nope. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:For engineering at Berkeley or Michigan, yes. Otherwise, you're probably objectively overpaying--but whether it's still "worth it" to you is a personal question.

This is truly the dumbest thing I have read on here. The curriculum for engineering is essentially the same across all schools. One of the best engineers in my PhD program got his undergraduate degree at JMU. He was far brighter and more creative than the guy with a undergrad from MIT. The rankings mean something for graduate school, not undergraduate.

lol give me break

It’s true, they all teach to ABET standards and not much more.

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Anonymous wrote:In this region, both UVA and UMD are excellent public schools. 100% not worth it to pay OOS tuition for another flagship public school. If choice is between UMD and UMich OOS, then makes zero sense to go with UMich unless you're swimming in cash.

UMD is not in the same league as Mich.
Mich OOS over Uva instate depending on field is debatable
Mich over UMD wins every time

UMD is quite literally in the same league as UM.

No, it's not. Michigan is rated as no 3 top public in the nation. UMD is rated 16.

So you are one of those incredibly stupid people who actually believes that you can granularly stack rank similar school…..Still believe in the tooth fairy as well?

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Anonymous wrote:In this region, both UVA and UMD are excellent public schools. 100% not worth it to pay OOS tuition for another flagship public school. If choice is between UMD and UMich OOS, then makes zero sense to go with UMich unless you're swimming in cash.

UMD is not in the same league as Mich.
Mich OOS over Uva instate depending on field is debatable
Mich over UMD wins every time

UMD is quite literally in the same league as UM.

No, it's not. Michigan is rated as no 3 top public in the nation. UMD is rated 16.

So you are one of those incredibly stupid people who actually believes that you can granularly stack rank similar school…..Still believe in the tooth fairy as well?

DP A very poor response. YOu could do better.

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Anonymous wrote:In this region, both UVA and UMD are excellent public schools. 100% not worth it to pay OOS tuition for another flagship public school. If choice is between UMD and UMich OOS, then makes zero sense to go with UMich unless you're swimming in cash.

UMD is not in the same league as Mich.
Mich OOS over Uva instate depending on field is debatable
Mich over UMD wins every time

UMD is quite literally in the same league as UM.

No, it's not. Michigan is rated as no 3 top public in the nation. UMD is rated 16.

So you are one of those incredibly stupid people who actually believes that you can granularly stack rank similar school…..Still believe in the tooth fairy as well?

DP A very poor response. YOu could do better.

Truth hurts….facts are friendly. Do better, don’t live in a fact free world.

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Anonymous wrote:The yield rates for OOS students at UCLA and UCB are under 20% for a reason. Every one wants to apply there. Then when admitted they find out they are paying private school pricing for a public school.

Wrong. It’s because it is very hard to get in OOS and the kids that manage to do so are also getting into other T20 schools, including T10s.

No one is saying UCLA wins cross admits with Yale.

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These oos yields are low as the caliber student accepted often gets into higher ranked privates and determine that value is better or (increasingly) they get a better FA offer from the private.

Difference tends to be these top privates care about yield where the publics do not. So while UCB or UNC yielding only 18% on oos admits does show they tend to be viewed as lowest "value" it does not affect their budget as they simply admit a higher number and/or work the WL to get their oos numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Also look at value of alumni connections

This was the only reason I let DC go oos to Penn State, well, and the fact that Penn State is highly regarded for their chosen field.

But, man, it's pricey. They are also having to use their inheritance money to pay for some of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy town, 85k average now for most, UNC is low 70s. Hard to believe it would be worth it but I guess they cater to rich people.

Anybody have positive outcomes justifying these costs? Or just hardcore legacies or prestige chasing parents?

Top publics are as good as many top privates. Period.

Nope. Period.

Yes. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:My view is you will generally get better value from a private school than an OOS public.[/quote]


arcane thinking.

My DS is doing well in small class sizes at a private, and enjoys the personal engagement with his professors and fellow students in his program. At a UC, he would be in a lot of large classes during the first 2 years.

He isn’t distracted by fighting for housing, either.

For us, it is worth paying for this. You might value it less. Some kids like the anonymity.

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Anonymous wrote:The yield rates for OOS students at UCLA and UCB are under 20% for a reason. Every one wants to apply there. Then when admitted they find out they are paying private school pricing for a public school.

Wrong. It’s because it is very hard to get in OOS and the kids that manage to do so are also getting into other T20 schools, including T10s.

No one is saying UCLA wins cross admits with Yale.

Sometimes they do. UCLA has much better Math, CS and Engineering departments than Yale.

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UCB/Cal - yes- but you have to be the type of kid who will thrive on the intensity not be crushed by it.
UMich - yes - if it’s the best research university for your field.

UVA and UNC - absolutely not. These are regional flagships, great for instate students looking for a solid but not extraordinary education. They are equal to the midwestern flagships.