Full pays oos at UVA, UMICH, UCB, UNC worth it???????

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Anonymous wrote:$20-30k difference is not going to cut it against any T20 private. State school quality, overcrowding and looming budget cuts in classes, dorms and student services do not compare favorably. To top it off, double whammy resentment for being treated as second class students, paying way more (compared to state residents) for less benefits (compared to private schools).

I'm trying to make sense of this post but there are so many unsupported inaccuracies I find it would be too exhausting to even address.

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Anonymous wrote:UCB/Cal - yes- but you have to be the type of kid who will thrive on the intensity not be crushed by it.
UMich - yes - if it’s the best research university for your field.

UVA and UNC - absolutely not. These are regional flagships, great for instate students looking for a solid but not extraordinary education. They are equal to the midwestern flagships.

Michigan is the only midwestern flagship that is comparable to UVA or UNC.

But not worth paying OOS for pre-law track at Mich if UVA is your flagship. Unless of course kid did not get into UVA.

Law school admissions is stat driven. I don't think UM confers any advantage.

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To each his own. I would not want to pay full tuition for an out of state flagship if I live in a state with a well-regarded flagship. I would rather pay that money for a smaller private college/university, if my kid couldn’t get into our in-state flagship.

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Anonymous wrote:To each his own. I would not want to pay full tuition for an out of state flagship if I live in a state with a well-regarded flagship. I would rather pay that money for a smaller private college/university, if my kid couldn’t get into our in-state flagship.

This is DCUM. Probably 99.5% of us are paying OOS or private, unless DC goes to UDC.

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Anonymous wrote:To each his own. I would not want to pay full tuition for an out of state flagship if I live in a state with a well-regarded flagship. I would rather pay that money for a smaller private college/university, if my kid couldn’t get into our in-state flagship.

I know you've already said this. The fact is there are OOS Publics that are at the Tippy Top of all schools for STEM/Engineering are not just a "well regarded flagship" either. For tens of thousands of applicants a year a few of these OOS publics are well worth it. The stats back this up. I know it stinks to live in a state that one of these schools don't exist...I know I'm in one.

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Anonymous wrote:To each his own. I would not want to pay full tuition for an out of state flagship if I live in a state with a well-regarded flagship. I would rather pay that money for a smaller private college/university, if my kid couldn’t get into our in-state flagship.

This is DCUM. Probably 99.5% of us are paying OOS or private, unless DC goes to UDC.

What about all the threads about UMD and UVA?? There are plenty of people from those states on this forum. I would love to live in Virginia, so my kid couldn’t get in-state tuition at W & M.

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Anonymous wrote:For engineering at Berkeley or Michigan, yes. Otherwise, you're probably objectively overpaying--but whether it's still "worth it" to you is a personal question.

This is truly the dumbest thing I have read on here. The curriculum for engineering is essentially the same across all schools. One of the best engineers in my PhD program got his undergraduate degree at JMU. He was far brighter and more creative than the guy with a undergrad from MIT. The rankings mean something for graduate school, not undergraduate.

lol give me break

It’s true, they all teach to ABET standards and not much more.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:$20-30k difference is not going to cut it against any T20 private. State school quality, overcrowding and looming budget cuts in classes, dorms and student services do not compare favorably. To top it off, double whammy resentment for being treated as second class students, paying way more (compared to state residents) for less benefits (compared to private schools).

It doesn’t matter what you think. People do this all of the time. Vanderbilt, Rice, WashU are all T20 privates and, yes, people choose UNC and UVA over them. And yes, saving $80-120k on an undergraduate education is attractive to many.

You sound like a student. And deeply ignorant of public universities. For both reasons I’m not sure why you’re on this thread.

Did I strike a nerve? Your DC couldn't cut it to a private T20?

Np. What a childish response.

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Anonymous wrote:UNC and UVa, absolutely not regardless of major. UCB and UM, it could be depended on what you want to study.

Maryland? Absolutely worth it.

Michigan, definitely not Maryland.

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Anonymous wrote:For engineering at Berkeley or Michigan, yes. Otherwise, you're probably objectively overpaying--but whether it's still "worth it" to you is a personal question.

This is truly the dumbest thing I have read on here. The curriculum for engineering is essentially the same across all schools. One of the best engineers in my PhD program got his undergraduate degree at JMU. He was far brighter and more creative than the guy with a undergrad from MIT. The rankings mean something for graduate school, not undergraduate.

lol give me break

It’s true, they all teach to ABET standards and not much more.

business finance and accounting are taught the same as well. So what? Top schools are just more prestigious among top companies and employers which matters. They just do it better and you are being taught by the top professors in their fields while learning together with some of the brightest minds within in your fellow student peer group at these top schools. These bright minds end up being the most recruited and working for top companies and there is your network. So, there is a difference.

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Michigan is not what it once was - leadership turnover (albeit most recently due to health-related considerations), the Sherrone Moore shenanigans overshadowing the athletic dept., and the emergence of many other competitive public universities as viable alternatives.

Bigger picture, the Trump Administration’s shielding (guess why!) of Michigan while it goes after the other large public universities will boomerang in the next Administration when Americans demand a reset of this country’s agenda from the current 1-group
DEI police state madness.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not what it once was - leadership turnover (albeit most recently due to health-related considerations), the Sherrone Moore shenanigans overshadowing the athletic dept., and the emergence of many other competitive public universities as viable alternatives.

Bigger picture, the Trump Administration’s shielding (guess why!) of Michigan while it goes after the other large public universities will boomerang in the next Administration when Americans demand a reset of this country’s agenda from the current 1-group
DEI police state madness.

Michigan has had multiple athletic scandals and it has made no difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is not what it once was - leadership turnover (albeit most recently due to health-related considerations), the Sherrone Moore shenanigans overshadowing the athletic dept., and the emergence of many other competitive public universities as viable alternatives.

Bigger picture, the Trump Administration’s shielding (guess why!) of Michigan while it goes after the other large public universities will boomerang in the next Administration when Americans demand a reset of this country’s agenda from the current 1-group
DEI police state madness.

Michigan has had multiple athletic scandals and it has made no difference.

How are you measuring “no difference”?

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At an OOS public you get all the assaches of your own state public school at a price usually comparable to a private:

1. Large classes

2. Registration headaches/impacted majors and classes

3. Housing headaches

4. 13th grade effect: most people come from in state and the atmosphere is more provincial than comparable or even lower ranked privates.

I would advise against OOS unless it's Michigan or a top UC, and even then I would think twice.

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Anonymous wrote:For engineering at Berkeley or Michigan, yes. Otherwise, you're probably objectively overpaying--but whether it's still "worth it" to you is a personal question.

This is truly the dumbest thing I have read on here. The curriculum for engineering is essentially the same across all schools. One of the best engineers in my PhD program got his undergraduate degree at JMU. He was far brighter and more creative than the guy with a undergrad from MIT. The rankings mean something for graduate school, not undergraduate.

lol give me break

It’s true, they all teach to ABET standards and not much more.

business finance and accounting are taught the same as well. So what? Top schools are just more prestigious among top companies and employers which matters. They just do it better and you are being taught by the top professors in their fields while learning together with some of the brightest minds within in your fellow student peer group at these top schools. These bright minds end up being the most recruited and working for top companies and there is your network. So, there is a difference.

I wasn't in engineering, but better than half of the things I remember from college I learned from my peers, not in class. Even if MIT does teach the exact same curriculum as JMU, which I doubt, you're still surrounded by MIT kids, which means you're doing your extracurricular learning from better sources.