East coast bubble views are hard for me to listen to as a ‘fly over’ state transplant

[Anonymous]

The Northeast corridor has some of the most parochial people I've met anywhere, OP. Lots of people who grew up somewhere along I-95 between Boston and DC and think it's the center of the universe. There are many people here who have never visited a non-coastal part of the US but think they are worldly because of where they are from. I feel bad for them because they don't know what they don't know.

And I hear you on people in DC who claim to be liberal right up until it inconveniences them in literally any way. This is extremely common. Many are liberal because they have been to college and undestand the obvious logic of progressivism. But, again, because they are so limited in their life experiences, they often have not actually developed any real empathy for people different than themselves. So it's an intellectual position only, and thus fairly weakly held.

But most people are not like this. It's mostly very privileged people who grew up, went to college, and now work in this part of the country and have never had their worldview challenged by someone genuinely different from them. I have learned to internally roll my eyes at them but otherwise just let it go. There are bigger fish to fry, so to speak. At least they mostly vote Dem and aren't openly racist.*






*they are usually secretly racist

[Anonymous]

Sounds like you have some judgy friends. What's the midwest like for folks who don't know?

[Anonymous]

Since the flyover twits predominantly voted for Trump, twice, they deserve every insult thrown at them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Northeast corridor has some of the most parochial people I've met anywhere, OP. Lots of people who grew up somewhere along I-95 between Boston and DC and think it's the center of the universe. There are many people here who have never visited a non-coastal part of the US but think they are worldly because of where they are from. I feel bad for them because they don't know what they don't know.

And I hear you on people in DC who claim to be liberal right up until it inconveniences them in literally any way. This is extremely common. Many are liberal because they have been to college and undestand the obvious logic of progressivism. But, again, because they are so limited in their life experiences, they often have not actually developed any real empathy for people different than themselves. So it's an intellectual position only, and thus fairly weakly held.

But most people are not like this. It's mostly very privileged people who grew up, went to college, and now work in this part of the country and have never had their worldview challenged by someone genuinely different from them. I have learned to internally roll my eyes at them but otherwise just let it go. There are bigger fish to fry, so to speak. At least they mostly vote Dem and aren't openly racist.*






*they are usually secretly racist

Oh, yes. Those are the people who post here and say “I’ve lived in DC for 30 years and never heard of mumbo sauce! That’s not a thing!”

That was a real DCUM post. You can’t make this stuff up.

They love to be liberal as long as it involves wearing pink p5ssy hats, admiring RBG, and having a Very Important Job (and a Chief membership).

Truly sickening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m from a fly over state and always bond with other fly over state transplants in making fun of our states and hometowns. The blah food, no art or culture, everything football or baseball, bad hair, obesity, constantly glued to TVs, regressive views and low education. As a GenX, the difference between fly over states and a large coastal city was enormous. The gap may not be as bad now with more immigrant communities and younger people moving into cities in some fly over places.

Some areas are becoming much more interesting like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota. If you changed the culture, states like Tennessee, and Kentucky have some really nice landscapes. Ohio and Indiana are mostly armpits. I don’t know how you do anything with Kansas, Nebraska or
Iowa. Missouri and Arkansas will never dig out of poverty and meth addiction.

Ooh, now let's do urban areas and discuss which are "mostly armpits," full of poverty and meth addiction.

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Anonymous wrote:I moved to the east coast 20 years ago but I’m still bothered by all the stray insults I hear from my ‘liberal’ friends about the ‘flyover states’ which they assume are full of uncultured idiots. For the most past, they’ve never visited these places. I had lunch with a friend this week and she made comments like this ‘I can’t help it, those places are awful, I’m a proud snob, I like art and culture and education’ - as if others don’t? We also discussed politics, taxes, etc and even though she claims to be a socialist leaning Dem, she noted that she has ‘carefully saved and invested and why should I need to support others who haven’t been as careful?’ Meanwhile she has only worked intermittently her entire adult life, spends lavishly much of the time, and primarily lives from her now ex husbands money.

She talks a lot about how terrible Trump is and how he needs to be stopped. I noted that it seems to be people from a flyover state who are out on the streets more than where we live…

How do you deal with snobby clueless people like this? Any good comebacks?

And no, slow fade isn’t a good response. If I slow faded everyone who bugs me af times, I wouldn’t have any friends!

This was exactly my experience when I moved from the Midwest to the Boston area. Few Northeasterners have spent much time in the Midwest, but almost all think they know all about it.

Note that when there are questions on Jeopardy about flyover state geography or the Great Lakes, the coastal people usually have no clue.

You are generalizing in the same way, so I don't feel sorry for you one little bit, PP.

Nobody’s asking for pity. But it would be nice if people wouldn’t be so dismissive of whole regions about which they know almost nothing.

That also goes for people in rural states that like to criticize coastal “elites”.

Yeah, actually — I hear this a lot more than I hear anyone from the coasts bashing on “flyover” states.

Are you kidding? People use ‘flyover’ ALL THE TIME

+1
Liberal people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She’s just a faux liberal blowhard. I bet she lives in a bougie neighborhood or sends her kids to private, but goes on and on about ICE, incarceration rates, allyship, etc.?

Most people around here aren’t true progressives. They’re middle of the road corporatist Democrats who spew the “right” talking points. Unless it’s about the rural poor. It’s ok to crap on them, of course.

Exactly. And it's so telling that the people who constantly dump on the rural poor living in "flyover country" are the same people defending the right of the homeless/mentally ill/drug addicted to camp out inside libraries and other public spaces, leering at women and children and doing drugs in the bathroom (among other much worse behaviors). For these people, the rural poor are the worst of the worst, while the urban/suburban poor are to be defended and championed at the expense of taxpayers. It's really something.

[Anonymous]

I am Gen X, grew up in a flyover state and hated the narrowmindedness that was the prevailing culture there, and moved to DC after college and have had a much better experience here. I have never heard anyone say any of the generalizations that OP mentions. But I don’t have super wealthy friends. I do find that people who grew up super wealthy do skew more clueless anywhere you are, so maybe that’s the difference between my and OP’s experience. I will say that now that I and the people around me are in midlife, the people here do tend to be more anxious than back home, which can be exhausting.

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Anonymous wrote:I moved to the east coast 20 years ago but I’m still bothered by all the stray insults I hear from my ‘liberal’ friends about the ‘flyover states’ which they assume are full of uncultured idiots. For the most past, they’ve never visited these places. I had lunch with a friend this week and she made comments like this ‘I can’t help it, those places are awful, I’m a proud snob, I like art and culture and education’ - as if others don’t? We also discussed politics, taxes, etc and even though she claims to be a socialist leaning Dem, she noted that she has ‘carefully saved and invested and why should I need to support others who haven’t been as careful?’ Meanwhile she has only worked intermittently her entire adult life, spends lavishly much of the time, and primarily lives from her now ex husbands money.

She talks a lot about how terrible Trump is and how he needs to be stopped. I noted that it seems to be people from a flyover state who are out on the streets more than where we live…

How do you deal with snobby clueless people like this? Any good comebacks?

And no, slow fade isn’t a good response. If I slow faded everyone who bugs me af times, I wouldn’t have any friends!

This was exactly my experience when I moved from the Midwest to the Boston area. Few Northeasterners have spent much time in the Midwest, but almost all think they know all about it.

Note that when there are questions on Jeopardy about flyover state geography or the Great Lakes, the coastal people usually have no clue.

You are generalizing in the same way, so I don't feel sorry for you one little bit, PP.

Nobody’s asking for pity. But it would be nice if people wouldn’t be so dismissive of whole regions about which they know almost nothing.

That also goes for people in rural states that like to criticize coastal “elites”.

They actually don't think about you guys that much, except when California does yet another idiotic thing.

Otherwise, they just live their lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Northeast corridor has some of the most parochial people I've met anywhere, OP. Lots of people who grew up somewhere along I-95 between Boston and DC and think it's the center of the universe. There are many people here who have never visited a non-coastal part of the US but think they are worldly because of where they are from. I feel bad for them because they don't know what they don't know.

And I hear you on people in DC who claim to be liberal right up until it inconveniences them in literally any way. This is extremely common. Many are liberal because they have been to college and undestand the obvious logic of progressivism. But, again, because they are so limited in their life experiences, they often have not actually developed any real empathy for people different than themselves. So it's an intellectual position only, and thus fairly weakly held.

But most people are not like this. It's mostly very privileged people who grew up, went to college, and now work in this part of the country and have never had their worldview challenged by someone genuinely different from them. I have learned to internally roll my eyes at them but otherwise just let it go. There are bigger fish to fry, so to speak. At least they mostly vote Dem and aren't openly racist.*






*they are usually secretly racist

Oh, yes. Those are the people who post here and say “I’ve lived in DC for 30 years and never heard of mumbo sauce! That’s not a thing!”

That was a real DCUM post. You can’t make this stuff up.

They love to be liberal as long as it involves wearing pink p5ssy hats, admiring RBG, and having a Very Important Job (and a Chief membership).

Truly sickening.

Don't try to rezone their neighborhoods to one 2 miles away full of working class immigrants. They like them as a talking point, but not as neighbors or classmates to their kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Northeast corridor has some of the most parochial people I've met anywhere, OP. Lots of people who grew up somewhere along I-95 between Boston and DC and think it's the center of the universe. There are many people here who have never visited a non-coastal part of the US but think they are worldly because of where they are from. I feel bad for them because they don't know what they don't know.

And I hear you on people in DC who claim to be liberal right up until it inconveniences them in literally any way. This is extremely common. Many are liberal because they have been to college and undestand the obvious logic of progressivism. But, again, because they are so limited in their life experiences, they often have not actually developed any real empathy for people different than themselves. So it's an intellectual position only, and thus fairly weakly held.

But most people are not like this. It's mostly very privileged people who grew up, went to college, and now work in this part of the country and have never had their worldview challenged by someone genuinely different from them. I have learned to internally roll my eyes at them but otherwise just let it go. There are bigger fish to fry, so to speak. At least they mostly vote Dem and aren't openly racist.*






*they are usually secretly racist

Oh, yes. Those are the people who post here and say “I’ve lived in DC for 30 years and never heard of mumbo sauce! That’s not a thing!”

That was a real DCUM post. You can’t make this stuff up.

They love to be liberal as long as it involves wearing pink p5ssy hats, admiring RBG, and having a Very Important Job (and a Chief membership).

Truly sickening.

The whole thesis being discussed here is obviously wrong for one key reason:
The person who “lives here for 30 years” is not a DC native and they don’t represent DC. That person moved here from….flyover country. That means that they are representative of ignorant non-DC people rather than saying anything about the values or culture of DC. Shouldn’t that be obvious?

[Anonymous]

Plenty of normal people on the east coast, unfortunately they are overshadowed by the loudmouth city dwelling “intellectual” set that provides no real contribution to society as they are too busy pontificating their progressive drivel.

OP you just need to find a better group of friends and acquaintances.

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Anonymous wrote:The Northeast corridor has some of the most parochial people I've met anywhere, OP. Lots of people who grew up somewhere along I-95 between Boston and DC and think it's the center of the universe. There are many people here who have never visited a non-coastal part of the US but think they are worldly because of where they are from. I feel bad for them because they don't know what they don't know.

And I hear you on people in DC who claim to be liberal right up until it inconveniences them in literally any way. This is extremely common. Many are liberal because they have been to college and undestand the obvious logic of progressivism. But, again, because they are so limited in their life experiences, they often have not actually developed any real empathy for people different than themselves. So it's an intellectual position only, and thus fairly weakly held.

But most people are not like this. It's mostly very privileged people who grew up, went to college, and now work in this part of the country and have never had their worldview challenged by someone genuinely different from them. I have learned to internally roll my eyes at them but otherwise just let it go. There are bigger fish to fry, so to speak. At least they mostly vote Dem and aren't openly racist.*






*they are usually secretly racist

Oh, yes. Those are the people who post here and say “I’ve lived in DC for 30 years and never heard of mumbo sauce! That’s not a thing!”

That was a real DCUM post. You can’t make this stuff up.

They love to be liberal as long as it involves wearing pink p5ssy hats, admiring RBG, and having a Very Important Job (and a Chief membership).

Truly sickening.

The whole thesis being discussed here is obviously wrong for one key reason:
The person who “lives here for 30 years” is not a DC native and they don’t represent DC. That person moved here from….flyover country. That means that they are representative of ignorant non-DC people rather than saying anything about the values or culture of DC. Shouldn’t that be obvious?

Plenty of DC natives who have never left their Upper NW Caucasia enclave and are just as bad. They’re probably worse because they’re even more privileged and have been hiding in an even tinier bubble their entire lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I moved to the east coast 20 years ago but I’m still bothered by all the stray insults I hear from my ‘liberal’ friends about the ‘flyover states’ which they assume are full of uncultured idiots. For the most past, they’ve never visited these places. I had lunch with a friend this week and she made comments like this ‘I can’t help it, those places are awful, I’m a proud snob, I like art and culture and education’ - as if others don’t? We also discussed politics, taxes, etc and even though she claims to be a socialist leaning Dem, she noted that she has ‘carefully saved and invested and why should I need to support others who haven’t been as careful?’ Meanwhile she has only worked intermittently her entire adult life, spends lavishly much of the time, and primarily lives from her now ex husbands money.

She talks a lot about how terrible Trump is and how he needs to be stopped. I noted that it seems to be people from a flyover state who are out on the streets more than where we live…

How do you deal with snobby clueless people like this? Any good comebacks?

And no, slow fade isn’t a good response. If I slow faded everyone who bugs me af times, I wouldn’t have any friends!

Maybe just tell her that she’s missing out on a lot if she’s not willing to expand her interests. You can like the ballet AND you can enjoy a good game of paintball . People from flyover country know this!

Yes, but think of how incredibly pointless it is to try to convince people who have never been to the Midwest & know nothing about it (yet
NEVERTHELESS blast the hell out of it) that their opinion of the region is uninformed & mistaken.

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Anonymous wrote:I moved to the east coast 20 years ago but I’m still bothered by all the stray insults I hear from my ‘liberal’ friends about the ‘flyover states’ which they assume are full of uncultured idiots. For the most past, they’ve never visited these places. I had lunch with a friend this week and she made comments like this ‘I can’t help it, those places are awful, I’m a proud snob, I like art and culture and education’ - as if others don’t? We also discussed politics, taxes, etc and even though she claims to be a socialist leaning Dem, she noted that she has ‘carefully saved and invested and why should I need to support others who haven’t been as careful?’ Meanwhile she has only worked intermittently her entire adult life, spends lavishly much of the time, and primarily lives from her now ex husbands money.

She talks a lot about how terrible Trump is and how he needs to be stopped. I noted that it seems to be people from a flyover state who are out on the streets more than where we live…

How do you deal with snobby clueless people like this? Any good comebacks?

And no, slow fade isn’t a good response. If I slow faded everyone who bugs me af times, I wouldn’t have any friends!

This was exactly my experience when I moved from the Midwest to the Boston area. Few Northeasterners have spent much time in the Midwest, but almost all think they know all about it.

Note that when there are questions on Jeopardy about flyover state geography or the Great Lakes, the coastal people usually have no clue.

You are generalizing in the same way, so I don't feel sorry for you one little bit, PP.

Nobody’s asking for pity. But it would be nice if people wouldn’t be so dismissive of whole regions about which they know almost nothing.

That also goes for people in rural states that like to criticize coastal “elites”.

Yeah, actually — I hear this a lot more than I hear anyone from the coasts bashing on “flyover” states.

Are you kidding? People use ‘flyover’ ALL THE TIME

+1
Liberal people.

The only people I ever hear saying it are people like me and the OP who actually are from “flyover” areas, as a way of expresssing that we did not grow up in California, the east coast, or Chicago. It’s a short hand used somewhat tongue in cheek.