Long may the shutdown continue

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you want to continue EMERGENCY COVID SUBSIDIES for Obamacare?

Are we still in Covid?

Why did the GOP make the TEMPORARY tax cuts for the wealthy permanent?

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Sounds like the shutdown will be over this week?

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the shutdown will be over this week?

The senate has been talking all weekend. Thune seems to think the Dems will support his latest proposal. But if it doesn’t extend the Obamacare credit it’s not clear why the Dems would.

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The house hasn't been reconvened right?

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Anonymous wrote:The house hasn't been reconvened right?

And Johnson claims they did their job by passing the 7-week CR and wouldn't reconvene until the Senate passed it. Would be nice to see him backtrack.

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Anonymous wrote:I have multiple flights booked in the next few weeks and I am more than happy to sit in airports or have them cancelled if it means some curtailing of this psychotic government’s power. I am so sick of the devaluing of the American presidency with wild bs. I honestly wouldn’t care if it shut down until the midterms and I don’t think I’m alone.

That’s fine. But just understand that you’re willing to miss your flight because Senator Schumer is trying to avoid a primary.

Or that Mike Johnson doesn't want to bring the House back because he would have to swear in a certain member that was elected almost 2 months ago. We can do this all day.

House is supposed to meet tomorrow at noon so will he or won't he or won't he swear in Grijalva? I am betting that he comes up with some lame excuse not to swear her in. If he does then Jeffries should do it as Minority to leader

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Anonymous wrote:I have multiple flights booked in the next few weeks and I am more than happy to sit in airports or have them cancelled if it means some curtailing of this psychotic government’s power. I am so sick of the devaluing of the American presidency with wild bs. I honestly wouldn’t care if it shut down until the midterms and I don’t think I’m alone.

That’s fine. But just understand that you’re willing to miss your flight because Senator Schumer is trying to avoid a primary.

Or that Mike Johnson doesn't want to bring the House back because he would have to swear in a certain member that was elected almost 2 months ago. We can do this all day.

No we can’t do this all day. Because the Speaker said about a thousand times the House will be brought back into session 48 hours after the Senate passes the clean CR.

That would require the House pass a clean CR. What they passed that is sitting at the senate is not a clean CR. Add to it that teh CR was supposed to be a bridge to passing a full budget bill. That bill should have been ready now for debate and passage, but since the House hasn't been in session, the bill is not ready. That is not the Dems fault.

If it's not a clean CR then you'll need to explain what's new in it. Because that's what everyone is reporting, not just Fox.

My advice to the Dems would be to come out with a public statement saying they have decided to vote for the House CR because they don't want to see Americans suffer due to reduced SNAP benefits. However, if extension of the ACA subsidies aren't in the next House bill, they will not support it, same as this time. Give them warning to pull the snap payments forward and replenish the contingency funds.

It makes the Repubs look like heels and preserves their negotiating leverage, while giving Americans a break and the Trump admin some rope to hang themselves.

oh yeah sure, that will work
for sure

All these Republicans working in good faith. This time, Charlie Brown, this time it will work! Because it has to.

gettin right on that

It doesn't have to work. The CR that passes will only be good until Nov 21.

Dems will have their leverage back, plus any missing snap benefits in the Nov 21 shutdown will be 100% Trump admin's lack of planning. Then ask why Trump couldn't plan for it like any competent admin would do.

This isn't a Charlie Brown situation. This is a classic Judgement of Solomon situation. The Dems need to be the mother who refuses to split the baby in half.

Problem is that the time is now, and the leverage is now. No reason to put off until tomorrow, or two weeks, or whatever.

Right now, we can get money to hungry families (though NYT is covering that Trump is trying to claw back money off EBT cards). Right now, the military is being paid, as it is.

Who knows what fresh hell Trump will introduce in the next few weeks. You already know there are unidentified masked guys in unmarked vans pulling American citizens off the streets, right? Even former US military, without notifying their families, offering access to a lawyer, even feeding them?

Two weeks is a loooooooooooooooooong time to work up some good Insurrectionist Act manuevers.

Nope. The time is now. Americans expect something to change, and this is the only lever in hand.

You’re walking right into their trap. What the Repubs really want is to extend the CR into next year.

Give them the lame duck bill that's on the Senate floor now so that you can better resist extending the next CR without ACA subsidies. Put Trump on notice that he should pull forward next month's snap benefits and replenish the contingency fund. Any competent admin could get it done.

So, tell us what you give as odds that things will proceed smoothly after that until November 21 -- that the Trump government will come up with SNAP funds and military pay and allow the country to just chug on undisturbed until a good faith accounting for where we are at on November 21, to face whatever music needs to be faced.

Are you giving 100% chance of that, a for sure deal? 80%? 60%?

Don't know. But I know the Dems could blame any lack of snap funds on Trump for not planning for the known, expected shutdown on Nov 21.

The Trump admin is certainly competent when finding funds for a ballroom or to send to Argentina and other things they care about. They should apply that same when planning for snap during the shutdown.

My friend, why do you think it matters what Dems blame anything on? Has that EVER changed what Trump does in office? When?

Nobody is trying to convince Trump of anything. The man's brain is gone. The people who need convincing are the ones who will be voting in the next election.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you want to continue EMERGENCY COVID SUBSIDIES for Obamacare?

Are we still in Covid?

Why did the GOP make the TEMPORARY tax cuts for the wealthy permanent?

Those tax cuts added trillions to the debt and did nothing for America.

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Anonymous wrote:I have multiple flights booked in the next few weeks and I am more than happy to sit in airports or have them cancelled if it means some curtailing of this psychotic government’s power. I am so sick of the devaluing of the American presidency with wild bs. I honestly wouldn’t care if it shut down until the midterms and I don’t think I’m alone.

That’s fine. But just understand that you’re willing to miss your flight because Senator Schumer is trying to avoid a primary.

Or that Mike Johnson doesn't want to bring the House back because he would have to swear in a certain member that was elected almost 2 months ago. We can do this all day.

No we can’t do this all day. Because the Speaker said about a thousand times the House will be brought back into session 48 hours after the Senate passes the clean CR.

That would require the House pass a clean CR. What they passed that is sitting at the senate is not a clean CR. Add to it that teh CR was supposed to be a bridge to passing a full budget bill. That bill should have been ready now for debate and passage, but since the House hasn't been in session, the bill is not ready. That is not the Dems fault.

If it's not a clean CR then you'll need to explain what's new in it. Because that's what everyone is reporting, not just Fox.

My advice to the Dems would be to come out with a public statement saying they have decided to vote for the House CR because they don't want to see Americans suffer due to reduced SNAP benefits. However, if extension of the ACA subsidies aren't in the next House bill, they will not support it, same as this time. Give them warning to pull the snap payments forward and replenish the contingency funds.

It makes the Repubs look like heels and preserves their negotiating leverage, while giving Americans a break and the Trump admin some rope to hang themselves.

oh yeah sure, that will work
for sure

All these Republicans working in good faith. This time, Charlie Brown, this time it will work! Because it has to.

gettin right on that

It doesn't have to work. The CR that passes will only be good until Nov 21.

Dems will have their leverage back, plus any missing snap benefits in the Nov 21 shutdown will be 100% Trump admin's lack of planning. Then ask why Trump couldn't plan for it like any competent admin would do.

This isn't a Charlie Brown situation. This is a classic Judgement of Solomon situation. The Dems need to be the mother who refuses to split the baby in half.

Problem is that the time is now, and the leverage is now. No reason to put off until tomorrow, or two weeks, or whatever.

Right now, we can get money to hungry families (though NYT is covering that Trump is trying to claw back money off EBT cards). Right now, the military is being paid, as it is.

Who knows what fresh hell Trump will introduce in the next few weeks. You already know there are unidentified masked guys in unmarked vans pulling American citizens off the streets, right? Even former US military, without notifying their families, offering access to a lawyer, even feeding them?

Two weeks is a loooooooooooooooooong time to work up some good Insurrectionist Act manuevers.

Nope. The time is now. Americans expect something to change, and this is the only lever in hand.

You’re walking right into their trap. What the Repubs really want is to extend the CR into next year.

Give them the lame duck bill that's on the Senate floor now so that you can better resist extending the next CR without ACA subsidies. Put Trump on notice that he should pull forward next month's snap benefits and replenish the contingency fund. Any competent admin could get it done.

So, tell us what you give as odds that things will proceed smoothly after that until November 21 -- that the Trump government will come up with SNAP funds and military pay and allow the country to just chug on undisturbed until a good faith accounting for where we are at on November 21, to face whatever music needs to be faced.

Are you giving 100% chance of that, a for sure deal? 80%? 60%?

Don't know. But I know the Dems could blame any lack of snap funds on Trump for not planning for the known, expected shutdown on Nov 21.

The Trump admin is certainly competent when finding funds for a ballroom or to send to Argentina and other things they care about. They should apply that same when planning for snap during the shutdown.

My friend, why do you think it matters what Dems blame anything on? Has that EVER changed what Trump does in office? When?

Nobody is trying to convince Trump of anything. The man's brain is gone. The people who need convincing are the ones who will be voting in the next election.

They appear convinced. Check out the November 4 results.

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Anonymous wrote:I have multiple flights booked in the next few weeks and I am more than happy to sit in airports or have them cancelled if it means some curtailing of this psychotic government’s power. I am so sick of the devaluing of the American presidency with wild bs. I honestly wouldn’t care if it shut down until the midterms and I don’t think I’m alone.

That’s fine. But just understand that you’re willing to miss your flight because Senator Schumer is trying to avoid a primary.

Cute. But this is not true no matter how many times you say it.
Schumer and crew offered a completely reasonable offer to end the shutdown, fund subsidies for a year, and convene a bipartisan HC panel with a vote guaranteed in a year.
Republicans said no.

That's on them.

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Anonymous wrote:I have multiple flights booked in the next few weeks and I am more than happy to sit in airports or have them cancelled if it means some curtailing of this psychotic government’s power. I am so sick of the devaluing of the American presidency with wild bs. I honestly wouldn’t care if it shut down until the midterms and I don’t think I’m alone.

Poor little you and your 1st world problems. There are people starving all around this world. No one cares about the potential for your flights being cancelled.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you want to continue EMERGENCY COVID SUBSIDIES for Obamacare?

Are we still in Covid?

There's nothing as permanent as a temporary government program.

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Anonymous wrote:I have multiple flights booked in the next few weeks and I am more than happy to sit in airports or have them cancelled if it means some curtailing of this psychotic government’s power. I am so sick of the devaluing of the American presidency with wild bs. I honestly wouldn’t care if it shut down until the midterms and I don’t think I’m alone.

Poor little you and your 1st world problems. There are people starving all around this world. No one cares about the potential for your flights being cancelled.

Gah! nice turn on the 'Ol but you're not even starving meme.

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Anonymous wrote:I have multiple flights booked in the next few weeks and I am more than happy to sit in airports or have them cancelled if it means some curtailing of this psychotic government’s power. I am so sick of the devaluing of the American presidency with wild bs. I honestly wouldn’t care if it shut down until the midterms and I don’t think I’m alone.

Poor little you and your 1st world problems. There are people starving all around this world. No one cares about the potential for your flights being cancelled.

Gah! nice turn on the 'Ol but you're not even starving meme.

Exactly. Oh no! I can't get my nails done... the sky is falling!!

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you want to continue EMERGENCY COVID SUBSIDIES for Obamacare?

Are we still in Covid?

Why did the GOP make the TEMPORARY tax cuts for the wealthy permanent?

Those tax cuts added trillions to the debt and did nothing for America.

Explain to me how removing tax cuts for the billionaires would contribute to the national debt? If we get taxes from them, that's money into the treasury