The end of higher ed Diversity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is just incredible to me as a Black woman. It represents what’s wrong with this country when it comes to race. The fact that you think that, given the history of this country, it is possible for a Black person to compete on a level playing field—no matter the income— is laughable. Even with affirmative action the playing field wasn’t level. Can you imagine how challenging and exhausting it is to EXIST on a college campus where you are 9% of the population? Can you imagine how challenging it is day in and day out to be the ONLY person who looks like you in your company? I’ve been in meetings where it’s me and 15 white guys and it is astounding. The fact that these students have attended and SUCCEEDED is a testament to their resilience, grit and intellect. But y’all keep thinking the way you do. And still I rise.

You’re whining. Here’s an example. My aunt went to an Ivy League law school in the early 60s when there were very few women. Some professors treated her like garbage and told her to go home and make babies. Many male students didn’t want to work with her. I’m guessing you have never been treated this badly. And this is as a woman who were badly underrepresented compared to their actual percentage of the population.

So what did female lawyers do? Did they whine and ask for special privileges. No. They put their heads down, worked hard, fit in, and didn’t complain. And now they are the majority of law students. They still often aren’t treated 100% as equals but it is much better.

So stop the whining and expectation of special treatment and do something. There has been affirmative action for more than a decade. There are now many minorities in leadership positions. There probably should be more but don’t be a martyr. In the upper echelons of higher Ed it should be a meritocracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t get it. It’s 2025. Why does race-blind admissions not lead to a more balanced class naturally?

K12 education.

Literacy and math skills in K12 is where the focus needs to be.

And SATs & ACTs need to be reemphasized everywhere.

Going test optional excluded high performing lower income and minority kids and lifted mediocre rich kids with inflated grades who could cultivate expensive activities and pay people to write their essays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

The toxic culture comes from the left as well. Current events prove this.

[Anonymous]

Nice. Another racist anti-Asian thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is just incredible to me as a Black woman. It represents what’s wrong with this country when it comes to race. The fact that you think that, given the history of this country, it is possible for a Black person to compete on a level playing field—no matter the income— is laughable. Even with affirmative action the playing field wasn’t level. Can you imagine how challenging and exhausting it is to EXIST on a college campus where you are 9% of the population? Can you imagine how challenging it is day in and day out to be the ONLY person who looks like you in your company? I’ve been in meetings where it’s me and 15 white guys and it is astounding. The fact that these students have attended and SUCCEEDED is a testament to their resilience, grit and intellect. But y’all keep thinking the way you do. And still I rise.

Can you imagine what it is like for an Asian person in the US, where we are only about 6% of the US population?

I went to a college that was predominantly white. I had professors question whether the paper I wrote was written by me because of how well it was written. I had a professor say to me in front of the whole class that I was a great writer, and is English my primary language (um, yes, it is). I had a Chinese professor speak Chinese to me in front of the whole class -- I am not Chinese, and I certainly don't speak it.

I worked in the tech industry back in the 90s, when it was mostly men. I have a female friend in the same industry who gets crap from her male, and younger, counterparts.

We didn't ask for special treatment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is just incredible to me as a Black woman. It represents what’s wrong with this country when it comes to race. The fact that you think that, given the history of this country, it is possible for a Black person to compete on a level playing field—no matter the income— is laughable. Even with affirmative action the playing field wasn’t level. Can you imagine how challenging and exhausting it is to EXIST on a college campus where you are 9% of the population? Can you imagine how challenging it is day in and day out to be the ONLY person who looks like you in your company? I’ve been in meetings where it’s me and 15 white guys and it is astounding. The fact that these students have attended and SUCCEEDED is a testament to their resilience, grit and intellect. But y’all keep thinking the way you do. And still I rise.

You’re whining. Here’s an example. My aunt went to an Ivy League law school in the early 60s when there were very few women. Some professors treated her like garbage and told her to go home and make babies. Many male students didn’t want to work with her. I’m guessing you have never been treated this badly. And this is as a woman who were badly underrepresented compared to their actual percentage of the population.

So what did female lawyers do? Did they whine and ask for special privileges. No. They put their heads down, worked hard, fit in, and didn’t complain. And now they are the majority of law students. They still often aren’t treated 100% as equals but it is much better.

So stop the whining and expectation of special treatment and do something. There has been affirmative action for more than a decade. There are now many minorities in leadership positions. There probably should be more but don’t be a martyr. In the upper echelons of higher Ed it should be a meritocracy.

-1

What an ignorant post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My top 5 Black student isn't applying to Princeton. There is a huge increase of top students that are choosing to attend Howard, Spelman, Morehouse etc. I fully support their choice.

Not your decision anyway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Why are poor students more "worthy" than Black students. Both have experienced obstacles.

Rich kids, regardless of color, have access to better schools, more extracurricular activities, test prep….and the very significant factor educated and involved parents. Poor kids have none of that and we are trying to equal the playing field so that we move families out of generational poverty. I’m surprised you aren’t able to figure this one out yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come there aren’t many Asians on the basketball, football, or baseball teams? Especially at these D1 schools that are in the T20.

Can we be honest and say that the Asian American and Asian international students don’t bother to talk to people outside of their ethnicity? It’s the same as it was then and it is now. They don’t talk to people of other ethnicities and only hang out with each other speaking their native language. Are they too scared to talk people outside of their ethnic group?

Plenty of Asians in T20 sports.
For example, https://gocrimson.com/sports/mens-fencing/roster

Asians have higher scores in every aspects including extracurricular, leadership, interviews, etc.

They don't ask for free handouts at least.

I think they meant real team sports that have an audience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nice. Another racist anti-Asian thread.

Keep voting republican. Its the only way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is just incredible to me as a Black woman. It represents what’s wrong with this country when it comes to race. The fact that you think that, given the history of this country, it is possible for a Black person to compete on a level playing field—no matter the income— is laughable. Even with affirmative action the playing field wasn’t level. Can you imagine how challenging and exhausting it is to EXIST on a college campus where you are 9% of the population? Can you imagine how challenging it is day in and day out to be the ONLY person who looks like you in your company? I’ve been in meetings where it’s me and 15 white guys and it is astounding. The fact that these students have attended and SUCCEEDED is a testament to their resilience, grit and intellect. But y’all keep thinking the way you do. And still I rise.

You're not rising, you're wallowing.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nice. Another racist anti-Asian thread.

It's the opposite. Being race blind benefits Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is a complex process. A generation ago, many immigrant kids felt the need to be like everyone else because people just weren’t as aware of other cultures back then. Now social media/internet has made the world smaller and some things that used to be “ethnic” have gone “mainstream”. White/black/Hispanic kids enjoy boba tea and K-pop music and Indian street food. Kids of all backgrounds cheer on their college football teams. Asian kids have broken out of the chess/math club mold and now you see Asian names on college sports rosters. I’m just not sure what the anti-Asian posters mean when they talk about Asian kids not assimilating or white kids avoiding Asian-heavy colleges.

This is true although I’m not sure they broke out of too many stereotypes. In our town middle school there are some after school activities. The math team has about 30 members. There are two who aren’t Asian. Many Asian parents are open about keeping a close circle around them. They don’t want their kids outside with the White, Black, Latino kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We'll still have much greater diversity than most of other advanced countries in Europe or Asia.
No worries at all.

75% of NBA and 50% of NFL are Blacks.
If 50% of MIT or Stanford are Asians, no big deal.
Feed the best to any top field.

Athletic ability isn't like intellect. There's other things going on if you have a significant difference in your top colleges and the diversity of your country.

According to you? That’s very convenient but not gonna convince anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Why are poor students more "worthy" than Black students. Both have experienced obstacles.

Rich kids, regardless of color, have access to better schools, more extracurricular activities, test prep….and the very significant factor educated and involved parents. Poor kids have none of that and we are trying to equal the playing field so that we move families out of generational poverty. I’m surprised you aren’t able to figure this one out yourself.

So you're punishing students with involved and educated parents?!? Kids have no control over who they were born to. That's even worse than race based admissions. You're punishing students for the very thing you'd like everyone to have.

I think the solution is way different than this. Let's focus on making parents be involved and educated. Busing kids around to equalize schools within a county. I'm in a heavily residential area with 4 elementary schools within a few miles. 2 of them are 9 or 10 on great schools, 1 is failing with a 2 and the other is a 5. The scores are basically how many single family homes and townhouses are in a school's boundaries. The failing school had a massive apartment complex open and that crashed their school. All of those kids are bussed to the failing school, so why can't some of them be bused 2 blocks more to an excellent school? We let school fail so badly that they become cesspools where no one learns.