How are conservatives in US (specifically in Middle America and Bible Belt) so supportive of Israel ye are anti-Semitic?

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

People are siloed, friend.

If you are a Christian evangelical / fundamentalist you don't hang around "regular" Christians.

This. The Southern Presbyterians who believe in prosperity Christianity are a closed social circle. But even the less extreme and less wealthy people split their churches over gay marriage and they consider traditional Episcopalians godless hippie liberals.

Never in my entire life (and I'm not young) have I ever heard southern Presbyterians associated with a prosperity Christianity message.

I guess you haven’t lived there or read much about prosperity Christians then.

PP here. I'm a lifelong Presbyterian who lives in Georgia.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

PP here. I have never heard of Jews for Jesus. I’m not an evangelical - I’m non-denominational and non-traditional. I rarely discuss my personal beliefs, but thought DCUM might appreciate a weigh in from someone that the OP directed this towards.

There’s a chapter near you. Here you can find it here. https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_code=STEBSC&utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=STEBSC&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=10051751651&gbraid=0AAAAAD8cdCNGr5fgLSxGrkwmJK-O-DAoE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhK3QoIHxjgMVKkpHAR0UqDbjEAAYASAAEgJT5vD_BwE

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

People are siloed, friend.

If you are a Christian evangelical / fundamentalist you don't hang around "regular" Christians.

This. The Southern Presbyterians who believe in prosperity Christianity are a closed social circle. But even the less extreme and less wealthy people split their churches over gay marriage and they consider traditional Episcopalians godless hippie liberals.

Never in my entire life (and I'm not young) have I ever heard southern Presbyterians associated with a prosperity Christianity message.

I guess you haven’t lived there or read much about prosperity Christians then.

PP here. I'm a lifelong Presbyterian who lives in Georgia.

Atlanta? Doesn’t count. Too cosmopolitan and progressive. Alpharetta? New money. Doesn’t count. I’m talking about the wealthy old southern money. The people who have closed social circles, lots of private groups, and take pride is things like their ancestors founding the town. The people who have a senator over for dinner, and are in the pocket of the state Supreme Court.

Happy for you that your church isn’t preaching
that poor people are bad Christians and your wealth is God-given, but yes, it is old money southern WASPs (especially the Presbyterians) who are united with republican politicians, Trumpism, and project 2025. They may think Trump is crass, but they like his values.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

PP here. I have never heard of Jews for Jesus. I’m not an evangelical - I’m non-denominational and non-traditional. I rarely discuss my personal beliefs, but thought DCUM might appreciate a weigh in from someone that the OP directed this towards.

There’s a chapter near you. Here you can find it here. https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_code=STEBSC&utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=STEBSC&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=10051751651&gbraid=0AAAAAD8cdCNGr5fgLSxGrkwmJK-O-DAoE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhK3QoIHxjgMVKkpHAR0UqDbjEAAYASAAEgJT5vD_BwE

That supposedly non-existent Jews for Jesus group shows up here in DC quite a bit for years now. I routinely see groups of them with signs for some event or another.

It's amazing how out-of-touch some of the DCUM politics posters seem to be where it comes to what goes on.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

Maybe you need to listen to what's said with an unbiased ear.

Oh, it's "biased" to point out that JESUS HIMSELF commanded us to look after the sick, the poor, the homeless, the marginalized, to give shelter to refugees and so on? That the four core canon books of the New Testament Gospel attesting to the teachings of Christ as witnessed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ALL clearly demonstrate these to be his core teachings?

MAGA Christians reject these teachings in favor of greed, avarice and selfishness by supporting politicians and policies that do this. That's not "bias" - it's a statement of fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

Maybe you need to listen to what's said with an unbiased ear.

Oh, it's "biased" to point out that JESUS HIMSELF commanded us to look after the sick, the poor, the homeless, the marginalized, to give shelter to refugees and so on? That the four core canon books of the New Testament Gospel attesting to the teachings of Christ as witnessed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ALL clearly demonstrate these to be his core teachings?

MAGA Christians reject these teachings in favor of greed, avarice and selfishness by supporting politicians and policies that do this. That's not "bias" - it's a statement of fact.

Few Americans give a dang about Jesus, Christians, Muslims, or Jews anymore. If you're obsessed with religious extremism, perhaps you need a one way ticket to the Middle East where you will fit in very well with the other nut jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Rapture. Seriously.

+1 The Holy Land has to be in the hands of the Jews in order for the Rapture to occur.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

Maybe you need to listen to what's said with an unbiased ear.

Oh, it's "biased" to point out that JESUS HIMSELF commanded us to look after the sick, the poor, the homeless, the marginalized, to give shelter to refugees and so on? That the four core canon books of the New Testament Gospel attesting to the teachings of Christ as witnessed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ALL clearly demonstrate these to be his core teachings?

MAGA Christians reject these teachings in favor of greed, avarice and selfishness by supporting politicians and policies that do this. That's not "bias" - it's a statement of fact.

Few Americans give a dang about Jesus, Christians, Muslims, or Jews anymore. If you're obsessed with religious extremism, perhaps you need a one way ticket to the Middle East where you will fit in very well with the other nut jobs.

You would be wrong. Many Americans care about morality. That is not religious extremism. Not like the orange god you worship. You are the extremist.

Americans are compassionate and merciful.

We can afford to be. We are a great nation with many resources.

MAGA lies to you, so you don't feel bad when you get nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the deep south. I don't really hear anti Semitic comments basically ever. The opposite, really.

That's because there are almost no Jews there. One of my siblings and Jewish lives in a small college town in the South and, yeah, once they are out of the college town, it is definitely anti-semitic.

+1 no jews there so no one is familiar with them. In places where there are jews, people nowadays don’t like them anymore because they see the genocide in Gaza.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

Maybe you need to listen to what's said with an unbiased ear.

Oh, it's "biased" to point out that JESUS HIMSELF commanded us to look after the sick, the poor, the homeless, the marginalized, to give shelter to refugees and so on? That the four core canon books of the New Testament Gospel attesting to the teachings of Christ as witnessed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ALL clearly demonstrate these to be his core teachings?

MAGA Christians reject these teachings in favor of greed, avarice and selfishness by supporting politicians and policies that do this. That's not "bias" - it's a statement of fact.

Few Americans give a dang about Jesus, Christians, Muslims, or Jews anymore. If you're obsessed with religious extremism, perhaps you need a one way ticket to the Middle East where you will fit in very well with the other nut jobs.

You would be wrong. Many Americans care about morality. That is not religious extremism. Not like the orange god you worship. You are the extremist.

Americans are compassionate and merciful.

We can afford to be. We are a great nation with many resources.

MAGA lies to you, so you don't feel bad when you get nothing.

DP
I don’t think you’re replying to a maga there. They sound more like a cynical atheist and that more than likely means they’re on our side. So please try not to be such a dick to them, ok?

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

Maybe you need to listen to what's said with an unbiased ear.

Oh, it's "biased" to point out that JESUS HIMSELF commanded us to look after the sick, the poor, the homeless, the marginalized, to give shelter to refugees and so on? That the four core canon books of the New Testament Gospel attesting to the teachings of Christ as witnessed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ALL clearly demonstrate these to be his core teachings?

MAGA Christians reject these teachings in favor of greed, avarice and selfishness by supporting politicians and policies that do this. That's not "bias" - it's a statement of fact.

Few Americans give a dang about Jesus, Christians, Muslims, or Jews anymore. If you're obsessed with religious extremism, perhaps you need a one way ticket to the Middle East where you will fit in very well with the other nut jobs.

You would be wrong. Many Americans care about morality. That is not religious extremism. Not like the orange god you worship. You are the extremist.

Americans are compassionate and merciful.

We can afford to be. We are a great nation with many resources.

MAGA lies to you, so you don't feel bad when you get nothing.

DP
I don’t think you’re replying to a maga there. They sound more like a cynical atheist and that more than likely means they’re on our side. So please try not to be such a dick to them, ok?

After seeing many comments on this forum, I'm not sure i decended into dickishness but if you say so.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

Maybe you need to listen to what's said with an unbiased ear.

Oh, it's "biased" to point out that JESUS HIMSELF commanded us to look after the sick, the poor, the homeless, the marginalized, to give shelter to refugees and so on? That the four core canon books of the New Testament Gospel attesting to the teachings of Christ as witnessed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ALL clearly demonstrate these to be his core teachings?

MAGA Christians reject these teachings in favor of greed, avarice and selfishness by supporting politicians and policies that do this. That's not "bias" - it's a statement of fact.

Few Americans give a dang about Jesus, Christians, Muslims, or Jews anymore. If you're obsessed with religious extremism, perhaps you need a one way ticket to the Middle East where you will fit in very well with the other nut jobs.

You would be wrong. Many Americans care about morality. That is not religious extremism. Not like the orange god you worship. You are the extremist.

Americans are compassionate and merciful.

We can afford to be. We are a great nation with many resources.

MAGA lies to you, so you don't feel bad when you get nothing.

DP
I don’t think you’re replying to a maga there. They sound more like a cynical atheist and that more than likely means they’re on our side. So please try not to be such a dick to them, ok?

Lol... I'm neither a MAGA idiot or an atheist. I'm a realist who acknowledges facts above my emotional ties to anything. The fact is, religion is becoming less and less a part of culture in America with each passing generation. The hard-core conservative religious folks have loud voices from the fringe but they are small minority that is becoming smaller with the passage of time. Ignore anyone ranting and raving about Jesus this and Jesus that because they speak for only a very small number of people. Love everyone regardless of their faith as long as they are good-hearted peaceful people.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

Maybe you need to listen to what's said with an unbiased ear.

Oh, it's "biased" to point out that JESUS HIMSELF commanded us to look after the sick, the poor, the homeless, the marginalized, to give shelter to refugees and so on? That the four core canon books of the New Testament Gospel attesting to the teachings of Christ as witnessed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ALL clearly demonstrate these to be his core teachings?

MAGA Christians reject these teachings in favor of greed, avarice and selfishness by supporting politicians and policies that do this. That's not "bias" - it's a statement of fact.

Few Americans give a dang about Jesus, Christians, Muslims, or Jews anymore. If you're obsessed with religious extremism, perhaps you need a one way ticket to the Middle East where you will fit in very well with the other nut jobs.

You would be wrong. Many Americans care about morality. That is not religious extremism. Not like the orange god you worship. You are the extremist.

Americans are compassionate and merciful.

We can afford to be. We are a great nation with many resources.

MAGA lies to you, so you don't feel bad when you get nothing.

DP
I don’t think you’re replying to a maga there. They sound more like a cynical atheist and that more than likely means they’re on our side. So please try not to be such a dick to them, ok?

Lol... I'm neither a MAGA idiot or an atheist. I'm a realist who acknowledges facts above my emotional ties to anything. The fact is, religion is becoming less and less a part of culture in America with each passing generation. The hard-core conservative religious folks have loud voices from the fringe but they are small minority that is becoming smaller with the passage of time. Ignore anyone ranting and raving about Jesus this and Jesus that because they speak for only a very small number of people. Love everyone regardless of their faith as long as they are good-hearted peaceful people.

Ok, I was wrong. You’re just a gullible fool who fell for religion and is now trying to be a Pollyanna. A complete dumbass, in other words.

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American jews are pure evil.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

Maybe you need to listen to what's said with an unbiased ear.

Oh, it's "biased" to point out that JESUS HIMSELF commanded us to look after the sick, the poor, the homeless, the marginalized, to give shelter to refugees and so on? That the four core canon books of the New Testament Gospel attesting to the teachings of Christ as witnessed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ALL clearly demonstrate these to be his core teachings?

MAGA Christians reject these teachings in favor of greed, avarice and selfishness by supporting politicians and policies that do this. That's not "bias" - it's a statement of fact.

Few Americans give a dang about Jesus, Christians, Muslims, or Jews anymore. If you're obsessed with religious extremism, perhaps you need a one way ticket to the Middle East where you will fit in very well with the other nut jobs.

You would be wrong. Many Americans care about morality. That is not religious extremism. Not like the orange god you worship. You are the extremist.

Americans are compassionate and merciful.

We can afford to be. We are a great nation with many resources.

MAGA lies to you, so you don't feel bad when you get nothing.

DP
I don’t think you’re replying to a maga there. They sound more like a cynical atheist and that more than likely means they’re on our side. So please try not to be such a dick to them, ok?

Lol... I'm neither a MAGA idiot or an atheist. I'm a realist who acknowledges facts above my emotional ties to anything. The fact is, religion is becoming less and less a part of culture in America with each passing generation. The hard-core conservative religious folks have loud voices from the fringe but they are small minority that is becoming smaller with the passage of time. Ignore anyone ranting and raving about Jesus this and Jesus that because they speak for only a very small number of people. Love everyone regardless of their faith as long as they are good-hearted peaceful people.

Except they have co-opted our government now and are imposing their (im)moral values on to our domestic and foreign policy.