How are conservatives in US (specifically in Middle America and Bible Belt) so supportive of Israel ye are anti-Semitic?

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We’re catholic but my mom joined some crazy bible group a few years ago and became a far right MAGA. Leading up to the election she kept shouting at me about Israel and she thought God saved Trump for some purpose. Now she keeps talking about the end of the world and that we’ll be happy then. I think this bible group may be a cult. She has been full on brainwashed.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel is protecting the Druze in Syria.

Or, Israel is responsible for a destabilized syria and opportunistically seizes Syrian land for Netanyahu’s greater Israel project.

“Watching with trepidation and glee, Netanyahu orders military to seize Syria buffer zone”
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/08/middleeast/israel-syria-security-implications-golan-intl/index.html

I’m glad the Druze are being protected but it is not out of benevolence but control and seizure of land.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the fugazi “Christians” that have emerged from the dreck in the past 500 years are complete frauds.

Evangelicals, Born Again Christians, the prosperity bible thumpers and televangelist set, etc.

These weirdos wouldn’t know how to behave truly Christ-like if their lives depended on it. And that’s why supporting a force of evil like Israel is no problemo for them.

Same thing with Muslims. A guy puts on a turban and now he’s a “scholar” and because he screams about the end times, he makes for good tv.

Islam fundamentalism and Christian televangelism started in the 1970s and was brought about by TV.

Some very naive people sadly fell for the flim flam

In the case of Islam, it’s getting better now with the new Prince of Saudi Arabia but so long as the wars continue, the fundamentalists will have an Audience

Manipulation of people through their religion is about power and money. Islamic fundamentalism and Christian televangelism is political.

And, fortunately, both are dying breeds. The good people of the world are realizing that religion is no longer needed to police society so they are turning away from the craziness.

Hard to tell since so many are in powerful positions controlling the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Here, look. Southern colleges get the best marks for being normal toward Jews: https://sjlmag.com/2024/11/22/once-again-southern-schools-get-best-marks-in-campus-antisemitism-scorecard/

Jewish students increasingly heading South for college to escape antisemitism: https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

Define “anti-Semetism”

Because for years, the right wing and Isreali bots online have tried to define it as any criticism of Israel. If THAT’S what one is trying to escape, then yes, the South is for you. But don’t mistake support for Israel for support for Jews.

All the southerners have chimed in that we have no issue with Jewish people. These Jewish publications are noting that the South has the best environment for Jews. Maybe you're just.... wrong? Because it appears that Jews think you're wrong, and they would be in a position to know where they are welcome.

Maybe people can be anything they want behind an anonymous post online. Don’t be so naive.

I lived in the Deep South. They will be nice to your face but no, Jewish people in the south are only included on museum and hospital boards for fundraising. They will not harass you or call you names, but they 100% think you’re “as bad” as atheists. And Catholics for that matter. If you don’t understand this or believe this, perhaps you confuse places like Atlanta and Huntsville with the rest of the Bible Belt.

Look. I can see you're seeking common ground with red states, but this isn't going to be it. We won't hate Jews with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

People are siloed, friend.

From one Christian to another, let's break down "Make America Great Again” vs. The Gospel of Jesus

Claiming Christ while rejecting His core commands is spiritual fraud. The Gospels and New Testament epistles are clear: Jesus stood with the poor, the sick, the stranger, and the marginalized. MAGA-aligned Christians often promote policies and rhetoric that directly oppose these teachings.

Care for the Poor, Sick, and Marginalized:
“Whatever you did for one of the least of these… you did for me.” — Matthew 25:40
“Blessed are the poor… the meek… those who hunger for righteousness.” — Matthew 5:3–6
“Sell your possessions and give to the poor.” — Luke 12:33
“Is it not to share your bread with the hungry… bring the homeless poor into your house?” — Isaiah 58:7

MAGA on the other hand is the complete opposite: Cuts to social programs, hostility toward the homeless, and disdain for “welfare” directly oppose these commands.

Welcoming the Stranger:
“I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” — Matthew 25:35
“Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers.” — Hebrews 13:2
“Love your neighbor as yourself.” — Mark 12:31

The MAGA contradiction: Anti-immigrant rhetoric, refugee bans, and border cruelty violate Christ’s call to radical hospitality.

Wealth, Greed, and Taxes:
“You cannot serve both God and money.” — Matthew 6:24
“Woe to you who are rich… you have received your consolation.” — Luke 6:24
“Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.” — Matthew 22:21

The MAGA contradiction: Tax avoidance, trickle-down economics, and glorification of wealth clash with Jesus’ warnings about riches and civic responsibility.

Hypocrisy and Power Worship:
“Woe to you… hypocrites! You give a tenth… but neglect justice and mercy.” — Matthew 23:23
“The greatest among you must be your servant.” — Matthew 23:11
“My kingdom is not of this world.” — John 18:36

The MAGA contradiction: Idolizing political power, demonizing opponents, and using religion as a partisan weapon betray the humility and servant-leadership Jesus modeled.

MAGA Christianity is fraudulent. It replaces the cross with a flag, compassion with control, and Christ’s upside-down kingdom with a top-down power grab. As one theological rebuke puts it: "You have knelt before a new golden calf - one adorned in political colors and unyielding rhetoric."

Some of these scriptures are out of biblical context to make the argument for a contradiction, because the statement alone is part of a larger, deeper parable, but I agree, particularly because of the bolded.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

People are siloed, friend.

If you are a Christian evangelical / fundamentalist you don't hang around "regular" Christians.

This. The Southern Presbyterians who believe in prosperity Christianity are a closed social circle. But even the less extreme and less wealthy people split their churches over gay marriage and they consider traditional Episcopalians godless hippie liberals.

Never in my entire life (and I'm not young) have I ever heard southern Presbyterians associated with a prosperity Christianity message.

I guess you haven’t lived there or read much about prosperity Christians then.

Prosperity gospel isnt the Presbyterians nor Catholics schtick. Pentecostal? Definitely. Baptist, sometimes.

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Anonymous wrote:Here, look. Southern colleges get the best marks for being normal toward Jews: https://sjlmag.com/2024/11/22/once-again-southern-schools-get-best-marks-in-campus-antisemitism-scorecard/

Jewish students increasingly heading South for college to escape antisemitism: https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

Define “anti-Semetism”

Because for years, the right wing and Isreali bots online have tried to define it as any criticism of Israel. If THAT’S what one is trying to escape, then yes, the South is for you. But don’t mistake support for Israel for support for Jews.

All the southerners have chimed in that we have no issue with Jewish people. These Jewish publications are noting that the South has the best environment for Jews. Maybe you're just.... wrong? Because it appears that Jews think you're wrong, and they would be in a position to know where they are welcome.

Maybe people can be anything they want behind an anonymous post online. Don’t be so naive.

I lived in the Deep South. They will be nice to your face but no, Jewish people in the south are only included on museum and hospital boards for fundraising. They will not harass you or call you names, but they 100% think you’re “as bad” as atheists. And Catholics for that matter. If you don’t understand this or believe this, perhaps you confuse places like Atlanta and Huntsville with the rest of the Bible Belt.

Look. I can see you're seeking common ground with red states, but this isn't going to be it. We won't hate Jews with you.

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DP

Who expected treasonous “patriots” who tried to overturn an election to care about America? Just sit down, take your subsidy from the blue states, and STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:Rapture. Seriously.

+1 The Holy Land has to be in the hands of the Jews in order for the Rapture to occur.

https://www.bible.com/bible/111/MAT.24.NIV

Jesus literally said no one knows the day or the hour, not even the angels in heaven, but stay ready.

Also the rapture is separate from the great tribulation.

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Anonymous wrote:Evangelicals are also learning the oldest Christians and churches on the planet are not spared from Israeli aggression.

Evangelicals are viewed by Catholics and Eastern Orthodox communities as clowns. Given the contempt, I doubt any Evangelicals gives AF about Israel bombing real Christian sites.

Maybe they would notice if Israel bombed the Eagle Mountain International Church, though. With all the jets in Copeland’s fleet, all that fuel would make for some spectacular fireworks.

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Anonymous wrote:My father is a retired Litheran pastor and I grew going to church regularly.

I occasionally listen to Christen radio to keep in touch with modern views. I have noticed that that has been a huge increase in Bible verse quotes related to archaic locations in Israel. They are mostly just tourist sites at most now or the original locations lost to time/purpose.

My sense is that the general view being pushed is this huge push for Christians to view Christ in Israel. It’s this constant sense of “presence” where Christ is real and walking in Israel. It’s a worldview where Christ really never stopped existing and the Jews never ever left Israel. It kinda denies historical events, changes in Judaism, etc. Just constant “Jews, Israel, Christ” over and over again from biblical verse.

My President can’t tell me how to worship, and my Pastor can’t tell me how to vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Evangelicals are also learning the oldest Christians and churches on the planet are not spared from Israeli aggression.

Evangelicals are viewed by Catholics and Eastern Orthodox communities as clowns. Given the contempt, I doubt any Evangelicals gives AF about Israel bombing real Christian sites.

Maybe they would notice if Israel bombed the Eagle Mountain International Church, though. With all the jets in Copeland’s fleet, all that fuel would make for some spectacular fireworks.

Evangelical ministry leadership in many congregations prey upon the emotionally vulnerable, and don’t cover 100% of The Message. I’ve always worshipped (privately), and I certainly tithe & give (privately), but never have I ever wanted to send a $50 donation for a prayer cloth to be shipped to me. A lot of people exercise their faith at different levels of understanding. And thats OK. Those that exploit have someone greater than me to answer to.

I don’t mind if a Pastor has a lot of money. Just disclose to your congregation how offerings are allocated to missions (the church I attend does), and I do think mega churches making over a certain amount need to pay taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel is protecting the Druze in Syria.

Bullshit. Protecting them from what? Assad was from a similar Islamic sect Alawi that celebrated Christmas just like Druze.

The argument that Israel’s protecting anybody especially Arabs is hilarious. They don’t even build bomb shelters for them. They were the ones who mostly died last month with that aborted mission/Iran war

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Anonymous wrote:Christians (including Catholics) do believe in the rapture—but it’s not a one-size-fits-all doctrine. It’s like belief in climate change: most believe it exists, but how they interpret it (literal, symbolic, urgent, future, current) varies depending on denomination, upbringing, and study. Some even deny it entirely.

In my experience growing up in both the DMV and Southern Baptist Bible Belt, churches rarely preach about the rapture or the Second Coming during Sunday worship services. Sundays are for fellowship, worship, encouragement, giving, and spiritual uplift for the week ahead.

The deeper theological discussions—about the Book of Revelation, end times, eschatology—typically happen in Bible Study, often on weekday evenings. And let’s be honest: attendance there is low. Sunday service may be packed, but Bible Study often draws maybe 20% of the congregation—50% if it’s a really engaged church.

There are entire subcultures within both Christianity and Judaism that hold differing views on belief, practice, ideology, and political alignment. I’ve even heard powerful testimonies from Jewish believers in Jesus—yes, they exist! One minister on TBN (?) shared how his understanding of the color blue (royalty, lapis, priesthood) helped him connect Old Testament symbolism with Jesus as Messiah. It was deeply moving.

That said, DCUM is probably not the place to expect a respectful or representative sampling of those nuances.

I’ll just say this: the vast majority of people on this planet believe in God. You may reject organized religion or differ in theology, but globally, that puts you in the minority. Across cultures, languages, and continents, billions of people center their lives around some understanding of a higher power. That’s a deeply human experience, not a fringe one. So before labeling entire faith communities as “crazy” or “sick,” it’s worth remembering that what you might find unfamiliar or irrational is, for most of the world, sacred and central to their identity.

+1 Thank you so much for this insightful and beautifully written post.

Not very insightful. Just a bunch of assumptions. Many here in DCUM land have grown up in small towns and have plenty of personal experience and family members that let us understand what is going on perfectly well. My own father for example told me that the covid vaccine was the mark of the beast and that communism and leftists were the antichrist.

BTW Jews for jesus is a christian group that tries to convert people to christianity. Using judaism as an opening to brainwash more people is not an honorable thing and deserves no respect.

Your example from your extreme background is not typical of Christians.

Then maybe the "typical" Christians needs to start speaking up and repudiating the fundamentalists before it is too late.

People are siloed, friend.

If you are a Christian evangelical / fundamentalist you don't hang around "regular" Christians.

This. The Southern Presbyterians who believe in prosperity Christianity are a closed social circle. But even the less extreme and less wealthy people split their churches over gay marriage and they consider traditional Episcopalians godless hippie liberals.

Never in my entire life (and I'm not young) have I ever heard southern Presbyterians associated with a prosperity Christianity message.

I guess you haven’t lived there or read much about prosperity Christians then.

Prosperity gospel isnt the Presbyterians nor Catholics schtick. Pentecostal? Definitely. Baptist, sometimes.

Yes, southern Presbyterian churches with wealthy powerful people are. The ones that send their crazy politicians to DC. They believe they are wealthy because they are good Christians. It’s not like Tammy Faye, it appears to be a regular church but when you get to know the people and hear the preachers, it’s actually very controlling, sometimes emotionally abusive, and they 100% think wealth is God-given. They don’t think Catholics are good Christians.

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Anonymous wrote:Evangelicals are also learning the oldest Christians and churches on the planet are not spared from Israeli aggression.

Evangelicals are viewed by Catholics and Eastern Orthodox communities as clowns. Given the contempt, I doubt any Evangelicals gives AF about Israel bombing real Christian sites.

Maybe they would notice if Israel bombed the Eagle Mountain International Church, though. With all the jets in Copeland’s fleet, all that fuel would make for some spectacular fireworks.

They may not be politically savvy enough to grasp the juxtaposed presentation with their faith, but no true follower of Christ wants children or families being killed, ever. Or children being exploited in sex trafficking rings.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel is protecting the Druze in Syria.

Bullshit. Protecting them from what? Assad was from a similar Islamic sect Alawi that celebrated Christmas just like Druze.

The argument that Israel’s protecting anybody especially Arabs is hilarious. They don’t even build bomb shelters for them. They were the ones who mostly died last month with that aborted mission/Iran war

Druze don't observe religious Christmas.
Syrian police service is at war against the Druze in Syria.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Syria_clashes_(April%E2%80%93May_2025)