Trump vs. W Bush

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. I always felt that Bush — with Cheney— was a terrible president, but he wasn’t a completely terrible human being. I could imagine having an enjoyable dinner with him and Laura — as long as we stayed away from most political topics. I think he quite often meant well — but couldn’t really understand or anticipate some of the huge problems that could be expected to accompany what I view as terrible policies. No Child Left Behind is one example.

Trump, though, was long seen in NY as a racist, a dishonest and bullying businessman, and as someone you would not want to get stuck in an elevator with. Some people adore that. It’s a very different vibe. I don’t think people ever used words like “malignant narcissist “ and progressive “dementia “ about Bush, for all his highly problematic decisions.

I guess you need to go back to that time. Seems you have forgotten what was said about GWB by the left, again and again.

I haven't forgotten--I am one of the earliest PPs. Back then and now I say: Bush was a liar and an absolutely awful president. Back then and now I say, I don't care (and neither should anyone!!!) that he is a "nice guy" in the neighborhood. The estimates on the civilian deaths in Iraq vary but are in the hundreds of thousands. Every single one of those is on George W Bush.

Let's stick with deaths for a moment: how many deaths have already been caused and are currently being caused by the wiping out of USAID??? Oxfam is estimating 3 million potential preventable deaths per year.
https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/issues/making-foreign-aid-work/what-do-trumps-proposed-foreign-aid-cuts-mean/
Even if you don't care about the deaths of non-Americans (I know the Trump administration does not), it is assenine not to realize how the diseases will of course hurt Americans as well.

Onto American deaths: how many were caused by Trumps insane response/non-response to Covid???
A Brown University study analuzes how the astoundingly high US death toll was a result not of the US preparedness--we were in fact positioned very well--but to systemic failures in the U.S. response.
https://pandemics.sph.brown.edu/why-did-best-prepared-country-world-fare-so-poorly-during-covid

So, even when we stick with the worst of W, Trump beats him easily.

For what it's worth, W "respected" democracy and our institutions enough to know he had to lie. It's horrible, but it is even more terrifying to have someone who is brazenly and systematically destroying our democracy. No one compares to Trump. He is in a category all by himself.

[Anonymous]

Bush's presidency was terrible and at the time I thought it was the worst, but I was wrong. Trump 45 and 47 are at a whole different level. Bush was not completely insane and wasn't egomanaical. I'm not sure how to interpret some of his grievous mistakes but I don't believe he did things based on his own personal interests and whims like Trump does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you d kept up with politics for a while, do you think the current reaction to Trump is on par with sentiments towards George W Bush?

Every time a new Republican comes along.
"This guy is evil and dumb."
"This guy is so much worse than that guy. The last guy was actually reasonable. He was pretty bright and sophisticated."

They went from saying Romney isn't one of us(literally a campaign ad) to wishing he were the President.

There will be another guy that comes along and liberals will be saying Trump was actually a good guy.

No, we won’t. Who are you planning to run next, the devil himself?!

I agree and yet watching the MAGA admin I'm concerned that one of them are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is way better than bush for the simple fact that no one tells him what to do. He uses his own instinct and he has great political instincts because he always communicates with regular people outside the fishbowl of Washington politics

No he doesn't he hates you and all his supporters....understand and accept it he's here to stay out of prison and make billionaires even richer.

[Anonymous]

pro-immigration pro-war globalist Bush was as bad as a modern Democrat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is way better than bush for the simple fact that no one tells him what to do. He uses his own instinct and he has great political instincts because he always communicates with regular people outside the fishbowl of Washington politics

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I am sorry. Trump has no clue what is going on. The "advisors" don't even tell him. Have you watched even one press conference? How many times does he say, with absolutely no shame, "I don't know. Obviously this is the first time I am hearing about it." He doesn't even feel responsible for knowing what's going on.

Stephen Miller is calling the shots. For a while, Elon was making decisions but he got sad and left. I am sure there are others we don't know about it. Trump wanted to stay out of jail, make money, and have people kiss his a$$ all the livelong day. He got it. He is too lazy, unintelligent, indifferent to even want to lead.

And political instincts? Shaking my head. ZERO.

That is really one of the most inaccurate statements I have seen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:pro-immigration pro-war globalist Bush was as bad as a modern Democrat.

Bush is comparable to Biden as far as being a substandard POTUS lacking elite intelligence goes. Trump's lack of integrity has him on an island of awfulness all to his own.

[Anonymous]

Bush wasn't very bright but at least he meant well and wasn't outright vicious, petty, vindictive and nasty the way that Trump is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is way better than bush for the simple fact that no one tells him what to do. He uses his own instinct and he has great political instincts because he always communicates with regular people outside the fishbowl of Washington politics

Are you smelling burnt toast?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bush wasn't very bright but at least he meant well and wasn't outright vicious, petty, vindictive and nasty the way that Trump is.

Or a foreign agent like Donnie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is way better than bush for the simple fact that no one tells him what to do. He uses his own instinct and he has great political instincts because he always communicates with regular people outside the fishbowl of Washington politics

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I am sorry. Trump has no clue what is going on. The "advisors" don't even tell him. Have you watched even one press conference? How many times does he say, with absolutely no shame, "I don't know. Obviously this is the first time I am hearing about it." He doesn't even feel responsible for knowing what's going on.

Stephen Miller is calling the shots. For a while, Elon was making decisions but he got sad and left. I am sure there are others we don't know about it. Trump wanted to stay out of jail, make money, and have people kiss his a$$ all the livelong day. He got it. He is too lazy, unintelligent, indifferent to even want to lead.

And political instincts? Shaking my head. ZERO.

That is really one of the most inaccurate statements I have seen.

Russ Vought is calling the shots. He’s the cabinet member in charge OMB which is the nerve center of all major decision making.

And Trump is completely out to lunch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is way better than bush for the simple fact that no one tells him what to do. He uses his own instinct and he has great political instincts because he always communicates with regular people outside the fishbowl of Washington politics

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I am sorry. Trump has no clue what is going on. The "advisors" don't even tell him. Have you watched even one press conference? How many times does he say, with absolutely no shame, "I don't know. Obviously this is the first time I am hearing about it." He doesn't even feel responsible for knowing what's going on.

Stephen Miller is calling the shots. For a while, Elon was making decisions but he got sad and left. I am sure there are others we don't know about it. Trump wanted to stay out of jail, make money, and have people kiss his a$$ all the livelong day. He got it. He is too lazy, unintelligent, indifferent to even want to lead.

And political instincts? Shaking my head. ZERO.

That is really one of the most inaccurate statements I have seen.

Russ Vought is calling the shots. He’s the cabinet member in charge OMB which is the nerve center of all major decision making.

And Trump is completely out to lunch.

PP you are responding to. I don 't know as much about Russ Vought (other than being the architect of Project 2025). Can you elaborate on his role now and how he is calling the shots?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bush started the Iraq War under false pretenses. Trump has not done anything that has caused that many deaths yet, though abruptly cutting off foreign aid is certainly killing a lot of people.

That being said Trump is less competent, more unstable, and aggressively trying to grab power. That's scary in a different way than Bush was.

I agree with this. Bush was a narcissist who wanted global power, lied to get it, and wanted to tell the world what to do. Trump wants US power, has lied to get it, and wants to tell US citizens what to do and wants to stick it to the world. They both behave terribly because of their narcissism. I think there are a lot of comparisons that can be made between the two. They also both have complexes with their dads and seem to make a lot of decisions to uphold what they believe are their dad's views and wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is way better than bush for the simple fact that no one tells him what to do. He uses his own instinct and he has great political instincts because he always communicates with regular people outside the fishbowl of Washington politics

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I am sorry. Trump has no clue what is going on. The "advisors" don't even tell him. Have you watched even one press conference? How many times does he say, with absolutely no shame, "I don't know. Obviously this is the first time I am hearing about it." He doesn't even feel responsible for knowing what's going on.

Stephen Miller is calling the shots. For a while, Elon was making decisions but he got sad and left. I am sure there are others we don't know about it. Trump wanted to stay out of jail, make money, and have people kiss his a$$ all the livelong day. He got it. He is too lazy, unintelligent, indifferent to even want to lead.

And political instincts? Shaking my head. ZERO.

That is really one of the most inaccurate statements I have seen.

Russ Vought is calling the shots. He’s the cabinet member in charge OMB which is the nerve center of all major decision making.

And Trump is completely out to lunch.

PP you are responding to. I don 't know as much about Russ Vought (other than being the architect of Project 2025). Can you elaborate on his role now and how he is calling the shots?

DP. He has control over every federal agency. Budget, regulations have to go through him. He is implementing P2025 through his role.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is way better than bush for the simple fact that no one tells him what to do. He uses his own instinct and he has great political instincts because he always communicates with regular people outside the fishbowl of Washington politics

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I am sorry. Trump has no clue what is going on. The "advisors" don't even tell him. Have you watched even one press conference? How many times does he say, with absolutely no shame, "I don't know. Obviously this is the first time I am hearing about it." He doesn't even feel responsible for knowing what's going on.

Stephen Miller is calling the shots. For a while, Elon was making decisions but he got sad and left. I am sure there are others we don't know about it. Trump wanted to stay out of jail, make money, and have people kiss his a$$ all the livelong day. He got it. He is too lazy, unintelligent, indifferent to even want to lead.

And political instincts? Shaking my head. ZERO.

That is really one of the most inaccurate statements I have seen.

Russ Vought is calling the shots. He’s the cabinet member in charge OMB which is the nerve center of all major decision making.

And Trump is completely out to lunch.

PP you are responding to. I don 't know as much about Russ Vought (other than being the architect of Project 2025). Can you elaborate on his role now and how he is calling the shots?

DP. He has control over every federal agency. Budget, regulations have to go through him. He is implementing P2025 through his role.

Another DP. Usually a president's lasting legacy is legislation they sign and judges they appoint. But in this case it will take decades to recover from the destruction that is P2025.