Catholics: What do you think of Trump's self-depiction as Pope?

[Anonymous]

Most Catholics I know are surprised for the "concern" that liberal (non-??) Catholics are showing us all of a sudden.

Where were you during this unlawful act: https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-report-details-extent-fbis-weaponization-law-enforcement-against

or when they tried to get nuns to pay for abortions: https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/09/22/nuns-sue-new-york-over-abortion-coverage-mandate/

or: "One man, Nicholas Roske, was charged with attempted murder after he was arrested by local police in Maryland near Kavanaugh's home while in possession of a handgun after flying cross-country. Regular protesters said he was not part of any of their groups. Roske himself called police and surrendered after he saw the law enforcement presence outside Kavanaugh's home." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/free-speech-federal-crime-protesters-are-still-marching-conservative-s-rcna78678

But thanks for looking out for us I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most Catholics I know are surprised for the "concern" that liberal (non-??) Catholics are showing us all of a sudden.

Where were you during this unlawful act: https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-report-details-extent-fbis-weaponization-law-enforcement-against

or when they tried to get nuns to pay for abortions: https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/09/22/nuns-sue-new-york-over-abortion-coverage-mandate/

or: "One man, Nicholas Roske, was charged with attempted murder after he was arrested by local police in Maryland near Kavanaugh's home while in possession of a handgun after flying cross-country. Regular protesters said he was not part of any of their groups. Roske himself called police and surrendered after he saw the law enforcement presence outside Kavanaugh's home." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/free-speech-federal-crime-protesters-are-still-marching-conservative-s-rcna78678

But thanks for looking out for us I guess.

You are comparing this to the President of the United States posting a picture depicting him as the pope? Ok then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband and I both voted for him and we groaned when we saw it. It's his typical dumb shtick. We still agree with more of what he is doing than not.
This seems to come up very often and yes, of course we would prefer that Trump act more dignified, not fall for flattery so easily, and not have been such a womanizer in the past. But the fact that he is not that person doesn't mean we'd be happy with Kamala Harris running the country.

Please expand on how Trump is doing better than Kamala Harris would have done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most Catholics I know are surprised for the "concern" that liberal (non-??) Catholics are showing us all of a sudden.

Where were you during this unlawful act: https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-report-details-extent-fbis-weaponization-law-enforcement-against

or when they tried to get nuns to pay for abortions: https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/09/22/nuns-sue-new-york-over-abortion-coverage-mandate/

or: "One man, Nicholas Roske, was charged with attempted murder after he was arrested by local police in Maryland near Kavanaugh's home while in possession of a handgun after flying cross-country. Regular protesters said he was not part of any of their groups. Roske himself called police and surrendered after he saw the law enforcement presence outside Kavanaugh's home." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/free-speech-federal-crime-protesters-are-still-marching-conservative-s-rcna78678

But thanks for looking out for us I guess.

The Pope is an extremely well-known religious figure. Of course this will garner attention. As for your examples...what? They don't make sense for your supposed argument. You are reaching and floundering.

- a Catholic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband and I both voted for him and we groaned when we saw it. It's his typical dumb shtick. We still agree with more of what he is doing than not.
This seems to come up very often and yes, of course we would prefer that Trump act more dignified, not fall for flattery so easily, and not have been such a womanizer in the past. But the fact that he is not that person doesn't mean we'd be happy with Kamala Harris running the country.

Please expand on how Trump is doing better than Kamala Harris would have done.

I wouldn't ever expect a response based in reality to this one, PP.

[Anonymous]

It's offensive, obviously, and conservative Catholics would be pitching absolute fits if Joe Biden had done this rather than writing it off as a joke (what?) or a dumb schtick. Save your lectures on politically convenient outrage, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most Catholics I know are surprised for the "concern" that liberal (non-??) Catholics are showing us all of a sudden.

Where were you during this unlawful act: https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-report-details-extent-fbis-weaponization-law-enforcement-against

or when they tried to get nuns to pay for abortions: https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/09/22/nuns-sue-new-york-over-abortion-coverage-mandate/

or: "One man, Nicholas Roske, was charged with attempted murder after he was arrested by local police in Maryland near Kavanaugh's home while in possession of a handgun after flying cross-country. Regular protesters said he was not part of any of their groups. Roske himself called police and surrendered after he saw the law enforcement presence outside Kavanaugh's home." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/free-speech-federal-crime-protesters-are-still-marching-conservative-s-rcna78678

But thanks for looking out for us I guess.

Everyone is appalled by what happened at Kavanaugh's home, even the liberals, which would be 95 percent of his neighbors. But to say Trump sharing an image of himself as the Pope as the faith is in mourning and about to go through the conclave is somehow related is bizarre. The conservatives I know all have a persecution complex, and they will seize on anything and say look how we suffer. The fact that there is outrage at Trump's ridiculous narcissism for posing as a Pope during this important time feeds into the conservative persecution complex - as evidenced by you. Trump is an example of all seven deadly sins in action. And some of us other Catholics do not care for him at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s stupid and he does stupid things. In the end though, it’s pretty inconsequential.

On the other hand, you’ve got Washington state passing a law that requires priests to become mandatory reporters without an exception for confession, essentially making it illegal to keep the seal of confession. That is a direct attack on the church and something that Catholics should find truly offensive.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/263841/washington-governor-signs-abuse-bill-requiring-priests-to-break-seal-of-confession

Sorry, if you confess to molesting your kid, you shouldn’t be able to hide behind your religion. Maybe god will forgive you in the afterlife, but here on earth in the United States of America, this is a crime for which you must answer, and anyone who knows of this atrocity must report it.

And if you tell your lawyer that they must turn you in as well, breaking lawyer-client confidentiality?

This is an agreement within the legal system. The church is not. Why should it be allowed to have separate, extra-judicial privilege? The church is not above the law.

[Anonymous]

Cradle Catholic here - the picture is in bad taste, period, but I agree with PPs that many of Trump's policies are truly what I as a Catholic abhor. And for the 12:08 PP - I am liberal, was appalled by the Kavanaugh attack, and yet think there should be separation of church and state and am pro choice so I am not supportive of efforts to cloak discriminatory health care exclusions (for either women's or trans people's health care) in religious exemptions. If the nuns don't need abortions, they should not get them. Also, I think that Opus Dei members *are* fringe and am not surprised that the FBI was monitoring some Catholics for domestic extremism. I also think that mandated reporter-dom should not have any exemptions and the history of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church should make plain why this is the case. But, obviously we have very different politics so it's good that we both can be supportive of Kavanaugh's safety and we can all mourn Pope Francis in a respectful way (assuming, that is, that you are not a Catholic like Ross Douthat who took potshots at the man while he wasn't even in the grave, or a non-Catholic like Trump who doesn't embody the faith in any way). Liberals have just as much right to the Catholic faith as conservatives - so you don't need to worry about the (non??) Catholics. Jesuits and red line Jesus's words in the Bible are pretty clear about the need for social justice and embracing those on the fringe of society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Personally I think it's tasteless, but I already dislike him. I wonder what some of his supporters think.

Know tons of Catholics, most thought it was a funny joke and shared memes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s stupid and he does stupid things. In the end though, it’s pretty inconsequential.

On the other hand, you’ve got Washington state passing a law that requires priests to become mandatory reporters without an exception for confession, essentially making it illegal to keep the seal of confession. That is a direct attack on the church and something that Catholics should find truly offensive.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/263841/washington-governor-signs-abuse-bill-requiring-priests-to-break-seal-of-confession

Abuse it and lose it. And that seal has been abundantly abused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s stupid and he does stupid things. In the end though, it’s pretty inconsequential.

On the other hand, you’ve got Washington state passing a law that requires priests to become mandatory reporters without an exception for confession, essentially making it illegal to keep the seal of confession. That is a direct attack on the church and something that Catholics should find truly offensive.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/263841/washington-governor-signs-abuse-bill-requiring-priests-to-break-seal-of-confession

Abuse it and lose it. And that seal has been abundantly abused.

Priest should just ignore it. And many probably will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's offensive, obviously, and conservative Catholics would be pitching absolute fits if Joe Biden had done this rather than writing it off as a joke (what?) or a dumb schtick. Save your lectures on politically convenient outrage, please.

Imagine how they'd react if Kamala Harris posted something like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s stupid and he does stupid things. In the end though, it’s pretty inconsequential.

On the other hand, you’ve got Washington state passing a law that requires priests to become mandatory reporters without an exception for confession, essentially making it illegal to keep the seal of confession. That is a direct attack on the church and something that Catholics should find truly offensive.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/263841/washington-governor-signs-abuse-bill-requiring-priests-to-break-seal-of-confession

Abuse it and lose it. And that seal has been abundantly abused.

Priest should just ignore it. And many probably will.

Are none of you people lawyers? The confessional privilege has long been recognized as an evidentiary privilege in American law, like attorney client privilege. Plus under the first amendment separation of church and state a court could not compel a priest to break the confessional seal. But if a priest leans of child abusr a different way — eg he witnesses someone engaged in child abuse or a third party informs him of it or the child informs him of it—none of that is covered by the confessional seal and absolutely should be reported. This is really not hard and not a big deal at all. (Honestly if they aren’t teaching this stuff at Ave Maria law school…..you should’ve saved your money for Georgetown or BC!).

[Anonymous]

Treat it as a bully seeking attention.