If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?

[Anonymous]

A lack of empathy is part of my autism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.

I don't have contempt for some empathy.

When you get to a point where half the country is supporting the other half and the democrat party's ONLY agenda is constant redistribution of income, then I have contempt for it. BIGLY.

Go watch a democrat speak today. It's always about one thing. Taking from one group and giving to another. Equity and all that crap. It is rampant today.



From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Karl Marx

Funny how a pp above claimed that democrats don’t care about the working class because of their own greed and then here you are saying that all democrats do is give away money to working class and poor people. You guys have zero conceptual consistency.

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Anonymous wrote:No more than progressives have empathy for conservatives (they don't).

Trump is behaving like a conservative equivalent of a progressive president. Funny how hysterical a lot of you are.

Logic fail x2

More bitterness, eh? Show me how progressives have empathy for conservatives and conservative viewpoints. After all, how can they if they believe they are on the "right side of history" and conservatives aren't.

It's why progressives are the most intolerant people around. The concept of empathy and progressives do not go hand in hand.

No this argument doesn’t work.
Progressives have empathy for people in situations they cannot help. Not for people who make mean spirited choices as a result. Not all bad choices are mean spirited.

I’m not the PP but I fundamentally do not believe progressives have empathy. I believe what they have is ego, where the most important thing to them is appearing to have empathy. But they do not have actual empathy.

I say this as someone who used to call herself a progressive liberal, but has become deeply disillusioned. I did not vote for Trump but it is insane to me that I even briefly considered it, and it was because of how toxic and poisonous I believe progressives are. I think Biden’s progressivism has been very destructive and, to the point of this thread, not at all empathetic, and I did not see distance between Harris and Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s contempt as much as it is people think that your idea of empathy is overrated.

Some people prioritize sane and logical decision making to empathy.

This. Liberals use “empathy” as a cudgel to manipulate people and get their way.

Examples are like not wanting to use pronouns- “Why are you so transphobic? You know you could be more emphatic and just do it!!!”

Taking note of the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants that are putting a huge strain on housing, hospitals and schools “If only you could walk in their shoes and acted like a Christian”

ok this is super interesting.
as a liberal it feels like it just isn't really an inconvenience to use someone's pronouns BUT i do agree it kind of went to like a weird place. but i think the tension is that the need to do it felt like - quite small, vs the performance of doing it.
but i do think if someone wants you to use whatever pronoun you should just suck it up and do it no? just dont make it into a whole song and dance.

Why do you believe compelled speech is empathetic? I am genuinely asking; I honestly do not understand why liberals believe forcing speech of others is empathetic.

I do think it is.
We are forced to be polite all the time so as not to hurt people or to be respectful. My kids school they call teachers by their first name but for a while they went to school in Fla and were asked to call them ‘miss x’. That was forced speech. But whatev. That was important to those teachers

Ah. That is a key difference you have unconsciously uncovered. You view people who disagree with you as children who must be compelled to behave. You probably also favor using state power to suppress speech you disagree with. So, you are in favor of both compelling and suppressing speech, where you are the figurative adult and your political opponent is the figurative child.

That is not empathic at all in my view. That is in fact borderline fascist.

You just put a bunch of words in the mouth of app and then called them a fascist for those things that they never said. That about sums up the experience of talking with a MAGA.

I voted for Harris. But yes, your reaction does demonstrate my point nicely.

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Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.

NP. I’m a Democrat and it feels to me that the Democrats have a lot invested in appearing to have empathy, but not actually having any empathy.

The Republican lack of empathy feels more honest in many respects.

VS?

Versus actually having empathy. I simply do not believe Democrats as a group have empathy and compassion. I used to believe that, but no longer.

I find the Republicans somewhat refreshing in that respect. They don’t pretend they have empathy and compassion.

They’re just downright cruel. But, if that’s your thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Empathy can be properly reserved for the truly unfortunate, but can be tempered by a belief that people should help themselves to the maximum extent possible before turning to the government. That perspective results in antipathy to government welfare activities which can be seen as excessive, enabling those who could do better if they chose to but who made life choices which resulted in very low non-welfare incomes. Republicans understandably have little empathy for such people, but can support aid to people who are disabled, or victims of natural disasters - whose misfortunes were not arguably of their own making. There is little empathy for those who claim their situations are the results of societal animus, when it appears obvious enough that such claimants are simply unaccomplished and seek explanations for their own failures, a hidden hand which maliciously works against them which is visible only through statistical arguments which are merely descriptive, not reflective of causation. Similarly, antagonism for illegals is not reflective of a lack of empathy for the poor conditions in other countries which might make people want to emigrate, but reflects instead a belief that breaking U.S. law is not thereby justified.

So this proves that you have less empathy. I personally feel that it is gross to sit in judgement of those in need. I give freely as I can afford to do so. I realize that I am not in a position to judge the worthiness of strangers. It’s more than a little bit hypocritical that so many religious people are so judge mental and stingy with money.

All you're doing is failing to exercise any judgement, accepting claims of "need" at face value. Others actually look at peoples' circumstances before making judgments about the merits of their claims for charity.

History provides plenty of examples that show how nasty a society can become when the wealthy sit in judgement of which poor people are deserving of their material blessings. That is a recipe for oppression and mass suffering. Oh and don’t forget what happens to the rich people once the exploited can’t take it anymore.

“Let them eat cake”

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Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.

NP. I’m a Democrat and it feels to me that the Democrats have a lot invested in appearing to have empathy, but not actually having any empathy.

The Republican lack of empathy feels more honest in many respects.

VS?

Versus actually having empathy. I simply do not believe Democrats as a group have empathy and compassion. I used to believe that, but no longer.

I find the Republicans somewhat refreshing in that respect. They don’t pretend they have empathy and compassion.

They’re just downright cruel. But, if that’s your thing.

The Republicans are downright cruel and honest about it. The Democrats are downright cruel and lie about it. They share their cruelty, but their methods for portraying it to others vary.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA approves of empathy towards Trump and MAGA. Everyone else is undeserving.

MAGA bad. Everyone else in dcum good.

This board never disappoints.

Well, if MaGA could show some tolerance for things that are not only MAGA then we’d be more likely to believe that thugs e some redeeming values.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA approves of empathy towards Trump and MAGA. Everyone else is undeserving.

MAGA bad. Everyone else in dcum good.

This board never disappoints.

Well, if MaGA could show some tolerance for things that are not only MAGA then we’d be more likely to believe that thugs e some redeeming values.

But you have no tolerance for anything republican! How is it any different?

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA approves of empathy towards Trump and MAGA. Everyone else is undeserving.

MAGA bad. Everyone else in dcum good.

This board never disappoints.

Well, if MaGA could show some tolerance for things that are not only MAGA then we’d be more likely to believe that thugs e some redeeming values.

No, we have to live up to our name!

" You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric.

Now some of those folks, they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals need to have empathy for my wallet.

Why do they make affording life so, soooko difficult because of their taxes and all do the red tape that drives up costs for everything? They don't have problems giving out free housing to foreign nationals in swanky cities like New York or San Fran, but if you're a citizen, they want to upzone and ruin your neighborhood while taxing the ever loving crap out of you for the privilege to the point it makes being able to love and pay bills difficult.

Spare me the speeches about 'empathy'. Liberals have zero empathy for our own citizens. Everything they do makes everything worse.

Selfishness and greed. See it here for yourself. Money is all that matters. Screw human beings, give me MONEY!

Greed?

GTFO. My paycheck never goes up. I do not get yearly raises. Meanwhile, all Democrats do is blow massive holes in local and state budgets. They keep slamming us with more and more tax hikes to pay for their gross mismanagement of the budget. Democrats never have empathy for the working class of America. They keep spending and spending while giving themselves higher and higher salaries and pensions as public workers. They don't care they their tax hikes are ruining affordability and cost of living. Yet at the same time they will give foreign nationals here illegally free housing, free healthcare, and free food vouchers. Don't talk to me about empathy. If you were empathetic to the plight of middle Americans, you'd be advocates for cutting your salaries and cutting all sorts of local and state spending so that you could stop taxing us to death while no one's paycheck goes up.

find me one reputable source that explains how trump's financial policies will ultimately (in the long run) benefit the middle class and not just the super rich.

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Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.

NP. I’m a Democrat and it feels to me that the Democrats have a lot invested in appearing to have empathy, but not actually having any empathy.

The Republican lack of empathy feels more honest in many respects.

VS?

Versus actually having empathy. I simply do not believe Democrats as a group have empathy and compassion. I used to believe that, but no longer.

I find the Republicans somewhat refreshing in that respect. They don’t pretend they have empathy and compassion.

They’re just downright cruel. But, if that’s your thing.

The Republicans are downright cruel and honest about it. The Democrats are downright cruel and lie about it. They share their cruelty, but their methods for portraying it to others vary.

i'm curious how the dems are cruel? Other than you drawing analogies like 'oh they dont care if criminal aliens come into the country and that's cruel' (which is your subjective spin). How are they directly cruel in their intentions?

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Anonymous wrote:No more than progressives have empathy for conservatives (they don't).

Trump is behaving like a conservative equivalent of a progressive president. Funny how hysterical a lot of you are.

Logic fail x2

More bitterness, eh? Show me how progressives have empathy for conservatives and conservative viewpoints. After all, how can they if they believe they are on the "right side of history" and conservatives aren't.

It's why progressives are the most intolerant people around. The concept of empathy and progressives do not go hand in hand.

No this argument doesn’t work.
Progressives have empathy for people in situations they cannot help. Not for people who make mean spirited choices as a result. Not all bad choices are mean spirited.

I’m not the PP but I fundamentally do not believe progressives have empathy. I believe what they have is ego, where the most important thing to them is appearing to have empathy. But they do not have actual empathy.

I say this as someone who used to call herself a progressive liberal, but has become deeply disillusioned. I did not vote for Trump but it is insane to me that I even briefly considered it, and it was because of how toxic and poisonous I believe progressives are. I think Biden’s progressivism has been very destructive and, to the point of this thread, not at all empathetic, and I did not see distance between Harris and Biden.

ok this is interesting - say more about this. what makes you think it's ego and not empathy?

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA approves of empathy towards Trump and MAGA. Everyone else is undeserving.

MAGA bad. Everyone else in dcum good.

This board never disappoints.

Well, if MaGA could show some tolerance for things that are not only MAGA then we’d be more likely to believe that thugs e some redeeming values.

No, we have to live up to our name!

" You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric.

Now some of those folks, they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."

but by lifting up the worst people and celebrating them, he is creating a culture proliferation where cruelty and bigotry are acceptable. That's what liberals hate most about him, in one sentence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lack of empathy is part of my autism.

the idea that people with autism dont have empathy is false.
if you dont have empathy it''s not bc you are autistic.