If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?

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MAGA have contempt for facts and logic.

Conservatives try to only use facts and logic. It's what seperates us from the suicidal levels of empathy and emotional luxury value liberals have.

Too many on here think everyone that voted for Trump is a die hard MAGA Trump follower. Most I know voted for him because Harris was that bad. Many in my family are Dems who did not vote for her. The Democrats need to change, eject the far left nonsense to win in four years.

You have to ignore all the crazy shit Trump has done for decades and his total corruption and incompetence in his first term to choose him over Harris because of imaginary grievances about her. So, yes, all Trump voters are MAGA Trump lovers because there is no logical thought process that compares them and concludes that he should be President.

So, by your logic we all should have voted to re-up the administration and party that flooded the country with illegal migrants. Previous Democratic administrations did not do that they did the opposite. Call anyone whatever you want but those are the facts.

Everything was good when Trump took office in 2017 and under his incompetence and corruption everything collapsed into dysfunction by the end of his term. The four years of Biden Administration saw one of the best economic recoveries in history with much more effective and responsive government.

Your guys blocked immigration reform intentionally to keep it as a big scary racist issue for all the bigot votes they rely on. And your guys exaggerate the hell out of it. You’ve been ripped off and victimized by billionaires, not by poor people. Wake the F up.

Fine. I should start reading The Atlantic to convince myself how great everything was under Biden and not what I see with my own lying eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:I have at least the same amount of empathy as you, I’m am just empathetic towards different people, or even the same people at different stages of this lives.

For example, I’m empathetic towards all the kids in the classes who go to school every day trying to learn, but can’t, because there are kids screaming and throwing objects and there are a bunch of illegal immigrants there who don’t even speak English. I also have a lot of empathy for those teachers.

I’m very empathetic towards victims of crime. It disgusts me that we as a society have apparently (at least in previous administrations) just accepted that some people will have their lives destroyed or stolen while we give multiple chances to monsters.

I’m empathetic towards the people trying to drive somewhere important but they can’t because liberal geniuses are standing or laying on the road blocking their way to try to prove some political point.

I could go on and on, but the difference between us is not a difference in level of empathy. I just combine my empathy with logic.

Yeah. Why did Trump pardon people who stormed the US Capitol and hurt police officers? We should not be giving those monsters a second try.

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I could go on and on, but the difference between us is not a difference in level of empathy. I just combine my empathy with logic.

Your empathy/logic theory doesn't seem to be serving you well...


https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reports/mathematics/2024/g4_8/supporting-files/2024rm-press-release.docx

American students are performing poorly in reading and math skills, failing to regain lost ground during the COVID-19 pandemic, according to 2024 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) tests administered to fourth graders and eighth graders.

“The most notable challenges evident in the 2024 data are in reading comprehension. Reading scores dropped in both fourth and eighth grades since 2022, continuing declines first reported in 2019, before the pandemic,” said a Jan. 29 statement from the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES), which administers the tests.

As for math scores, fourth grade students registered a two-point gain from 2022. However, this fails to plug the five-point decline in math scores from 2019 to 2022. Eighth grade scores “showed no significant change.”

NAEP, also known as The Nation’s Report Card, measures student achievement, depicting the “state of our K-12 education system and what our children are learning.”

“Overall, student achievement has not returned to pre-pandemic performance,” NCES Commissioner Peggy G. Carr said in the statement. “Where there are signs of recovery, they are mostly in math and largely driven by higher-performing students. Lower-performing students are struggling, especially in reading.”
The NAEP has three achievement levels, the lowest being NAEP Basic. In the 2024 test, a larger percentage of students were found to have scored below the NAEP Basic level in reading skills.

Among fourth graders, 40 percent scored below NAEP Basic in 2024, as did 33 percent of eighth graders. Both grades performed worse than in 2022.

“NAEP has reported declines in reading achievement consistently since 2019, and the continued declines since the pandemic suggest we’re facing complex challenges that cannot be fully explained by the impact of COVID-19,” said NCES Associate Commissioner Daniel McGrath.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/american-students-reading-scores-decline-show-little-improvement-in-math-5800605

[Anonymous]

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I could go on and on, but the difference between us is not a difference in level of empathy. I just combine my empathy with logic.

Your empathy/logic theory doesn't seem to be serving you well...


https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reports/mathematics/2024/g4_8/supporting-files/2024rm-press-release.docx

American students are performing poorly in reading and math skills, failing to regain lost ground during the COVID-19 pandemic, according to 2024 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) tests administered to fourth graders and eighth graders.

“The most notable challenges evident in the 2024 data are in reading comprehension. Reading scores dropped in both fourth and eighth grades since 2022, continuing declines first reported in 2019, before the pandemic,” said a Jan. 29 statement from the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES), which administers the tests.

As for math scores, fourth grade students registered a two-point gain from 2022. However, this fails to plug the five-point decline in math scores from 2019 to 2022. Eighth grade scores “showed no significant change.”

NAEP, also known as The Nation’s Report Card, measures student achievement, depicting the “state of our K-12 education system and what our children are learning.”

“Overall, student achievement has not returned to pre-pandemic performance,” NCES Commissioner Peggy G. Carr said in the statement. “Where there are signs of recovery, they are mostly in math and largely driven by higher-performing students. Lower-performing students are struggling, especially in reading.”
The NAEP has three achievement levels, the lowest being NAEP Basic. In the 2024 test, a larger percentage of students were found to have scored below the NAEP Basic level in reading skills.

Among fourth graders, 40 percent scored below NAEP Basic in 2024, as did 33 percent of eighth graders. Both grades performed worse than in 2022.

“NAEP has reported declines in reading achievement consistently since 2019, and the continued declines since the pandemic suggest we’re facing complex challenges that cannot be fully explained by the impact of COVID-19,” said NCES Associate Commissioner Daniel McGrath.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/american-students-reading-scores-decline-show-little-improvement-in-math-5800605

You’re providing data to support my positions. We should not have shut down schools and we should have been maintaining (even improving!) standards for academics and behavior in schools over the past decade rather than letting all standards decline.

[Anonymous]

MAGA voters are dangerous precisely because they are convinced of their own moral superiority and righteousness. They will inflict any amount of pain and suffering on other people with no feelings of remorse. Nevermind that their beliefs are based on lies and boogeymen cooked up by the GOP to manipulate their biases and disseminated in the GOP flood the zone propaganda.

MAGA are the modern day Spanish Inquisition.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA voters are dangerous precisely because they are convinced of their own moral superiority and righteousness. They will inflict any amount of pain and suffering on other people with no feelings of remorse. Nevermind that their beliefs are based on lies and boogeymen cooked up by the GOP to manipulate their biases and disseminated in the GOP flood the zone propaganda.

MAGA are the modern day Spanish Inquisition.

Lots of current "MAGA" voters were 2008 and 2012 Obama voters. Did the GOP all of a sudden brainwash them into believing in boogeymen or did Biden and Democrats just f up?

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Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.

NP. I’m a Democrat and it feels to me that the Democrats have a lot invested in appearing to have empathy, but not actually having any empathy.

The Republican lack of empathy feels more honest in many respects.

VS?

Versus actually having empathy. I simply do not believe Democrats as a group have empathy and compassion. I used to believe that, but no longer.

I find the Republicans somewhat refreshing in that respect. They don’t pretend they have empathy and compassion.

I agree 10000x.

I'm not GOP but I get why Trump won. There's something about him that will in fact tell you crazy weird shit but somehow he is telling you what's going on. The Dems are overly complex and want to do all kinds of good but end up with very little accomplished. In fact they end up many times making things worse. Sorry but there's empathy and sympathy and there's sensibility. You gotta have both. It can't just be let's save 100% of everything. Let's end climate change, feed every starving person and keep disease out so no humans will ever die and let's make government as big as possible to help as many as possible without giving thought to all the things that need to happen to make all this a reality. Immigration is truly needed and wonderful but it needs to be approached sensibly.

[Anonymous]

It is a joke when I see people criticize those who want to drill or touch parts of the world where it's beautiful and pristine. Not so much that I want to destroy those parts but because I'm not sure how you support 6B people otherwise. There's a price to be paid for keeping everyone alive and happy. We ruin the earth. I'm just saying you can be 100% for being nice about 100% of everything. I

My biggest detest for GOP is policy v anyone who isn't a white man. But other than that, I can appreciate their perspectives while disagreeing with some of their platforms. I don't automatically label them as monsters for example as the OP has done by suggesting everyone not liberal and Dem has zero empathy.

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Anonymous wrote:Empathy has to be connected to truth. I left the Democratic party this last election because they seemed to have forgotten the truth. Illegal immigration leads to sex trafficking. Where's the empathy for those victims? Gender ideology leads to irreversible harm. Where's the empathy for the detransitioners? The Dems lost sight of the truth in order to embrace crazed post modernism in the name of empathy and inclusion. I voted for Trump hoping he'd reverse all of the disastrous policies. I have not been disappointed. Good riddance.

Empathy for the victims of sex trafficking? Like the way the right allows women to abort babies conceive in rape? That kind of empathy? That is a horrible point for view.

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Anonymous wrote:Empathy has to be connected to truth. I left the Democratic party this last election because they seemed to have forgotten the truth. Illegal immigration leads to sex trafficking. Where's the empathy for those victims? Gender ideology leads to irreversible harm. Where's the empathy for the detransitioners? The Dems lost sight of the truth in order to embrace crazed post modernism in the name of empathy and inclusion. I voted for Trump hoping he'd reverse all of the disastrous policies. I have not been disappointed. Good riddance.

Empathy for the victims of sex trafficking? Like the way the right allows women to abort babies conceive in rape? That kind of empathy? That is a horrible point for view.

I genuinely can't figure out the point this response is trying to make. Can you clarify?

[Anonymous]

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MAGA have contempt for facts and logic.

Conservatives try to only use facts and logic. It's what seperates us from the suicidal levels of empathy and emotional luxury value liberals have.

Conservatives believe a delusional self-serving narrative and reject all facts and logic that contradict their fraudulent myths.

And that narrative is...?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have at least the same amount of empathy as you, I’m am just empathetic towards different people, or even the same people at different stages of this lives.

For example, I’m empathetic towards all the kids in the classes who go to school every day trying to learn, but can’t, because there are kids screaming and throwing objects and there are a bunch of illegal immigrants there who don’t even speak English. I also have a lot of empathy for those teachers.

I’m very empathetic towards victims of crime. It disgusts me that we as a society have apparently (at least in previous administrations) just accepted that some people will have their lives destroyed or stolen while we give multiple chances to monsters.

I’m empathetic towards the people trying to drive somewhere important but they can’t because liberal geniuses are standing or laying on the road blocking their way to try to prove some political point.

I could go on and on, but the difference between us is not a difference in level of empathy. I just combine my empathy with logic.

You should turn off right-wing propaganda and visit the real world some day. You have been conned.

They haven't been conned, they are saying exactly what they mean. Your ears just aren't tuned to their dog whistles. I'll translate for you:

"I’m empathetic towards all the [white] kids in the classes who go to school every day trying to learn, but can’t, because there are [black] kids screaming and throwing objects and there are a bunch of illegal immigrants there who don’t even speak English. I also have a lot of empathy for those teachers. [as long as they are in an affluent white school district and my thoughts and prayers are all that are required because I sure as hell won't be voting to pay them better or properly fund the schools they work for.]"


"I’m very empathetic towards [white] victims of crime. It disgusts me that we as a society have apparently (at least in previous administrations) just accepted that some [white[ people will have their lives destroyed or stolen while we give multiple chances to monsters. [whose lives I have no problem destroying over any offense no matter how small or if they even were the ones who committed it and weren't simply the wrong color in the wrong place at the wrong time.]

"I’m empathetic towards the people trying to drive somewhere important but they can’t because liberal geniuses are standing or laying on the road blocking their way to try to prove some political point." [Also I want it to be legal for people to run them over but I'm too much of a coward to say it outright. I definitely get a chub when I read about someone doing it though.]

"I could go on and on, but the difference between us is not a difference in level of empathy. I just combine my empathy with logic. [And by "logic" I actually mean hatred and racism.]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is a joke when I see people criticize those who want to drill or touch parts of the world where it's beautiful and pristine. Not so much that I want to destroy those parts but because I'm not sure how you support 6B people otherwise. There's a price to be paid for keeping everyone alive and happy. We ruin the earth. I'm just saying you can be 100% for being nice about 100% of everything. I

My biggest detest for GOP is policy v anyone who isn't a white man. But other than that, I can appreciate their perspectives while disagreeing with some of their platforms. I don't automatically label them as monsters for example as the OP has done by suggesting everyone not liberal and Dem has zero empathy.

This is such a dark post and a tired argument. Who do you think you are to even make that argument? Which of the 8B would you give up to enjoy a more pristine planet? There are 2 more billion people currently on the planet than you think - and starvation has decreased. The Earth was fine when there were 6B people and is fine now. Humans are learning to manage resources. Humans are good and humanity is good. If the decision came to saving your life or saving a tree, I would choose you each time. Resist nature nihilism. - loving lecture by a former Dem turned Trump voter

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Anonymous wrote:It is a joke when I see people criticize those who want to drill or touch parts of the world where it's beautiful and pristine. Not so much that I want to destroy those parts but because I'm not sure how you support 6B people otherwise. There's a price to be paid for keeping everyone alive and happy. We ruin the earth. I'm just saying you can be 100% for being nice about 100% of everything. I

My biggest detest for GOP is policy v anyone who isn't a white man. But other than that, I can appreciate their perspectives while disagreeing with some of their platforms. I don't automatically label them as monsters for example as the OP has done by suggesting everyone not liberal and Dem has zero empathy.

Green energy is now on price parity with fossil fuels. Even if it wasn't, the world has more than enough money to make up the difference with essentially zero change to anyone's standard of living, unless you count a billionaire maybe having to switch from endangered teakwood to regular teakwood on the deck of their megayacht. There is literally zero reason to destroy the "beautiful and pristine" parts of the world to drill except so that the ultra-rich can make a slightly quicker and cheaper buck. So yeah, I have absolutely zero problem calling them "monsters" and am exactly 0% hypocritical for doing so because there is literally zero reason for them to be doing this except to add another zero to the bank balance that they could never even spend in their lifetime if they tried.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have at least the same amount of empathy as you, I’m am just empathetic towards different people, or even the same people at different stages of this lives.

For example, I’m empathetic towards all the kids in the classes who go to school every day trying to learn, but can’t, because there are kids screaming and throwing objects and there are a bunch of illegal immigrants there who don’t even speak English. I also have a lot of empathy for those teachers.

I’m very empathetic towards victims of crime. It disgusts me that we as a society have apparently (at least in previous administrations) just accepted that some people will have their lives destroyed or stolen while we give multiple chances to monsters.

I’m empathetic towards the people trying to drive somewhere important but they can’t because liberal geniuses are standing or laying on the road blocking their way to try to prove some political point.

I could go on and on, but the difference between us is not a difference in level of empathy. I just combine my empathy with logic.

You should turn off right-wing propaganda and visit the real world some day. You have been conned.

They haven't been conned, they are saying exactly what they mean. Your ears just aren't tuned to their dog whistles. I'll translate for you:

"I’m empathetic towards all the [white] kids in the classes who go to school every day trying to learn, but can’t, because there are [black] kids screaming and throwing objects and there are a bunch of illegal immigrants there who don’t even speak English. I also have a lot of empathy for those teachers. [as long as they are in an affluent white school district and my thoughts and prayers are all that are required because I sure as hell won't be voting to pay them better or properly fund the schools they work for.]"


"I’m very empathetic towards [white] victims of crime. It disgusts me that we as a society have apparently (at least in previous administrations) just accepted that some [white[ people will have their lives destroyed or stolen while we give multiple chances to monsters. [whose lives I have no problem destroying over any offense no matter how small or if they even were the ones who committed it and weren't simply the wrong color in the wrong place at the wrong time.]

"I’m empathetic towards the people trying to drive somewhere important but they can’t because liberal geniuses are standing or laying on the road blocking their way to try to prove some political point." [Also I want it to be legal for people to run them over but I'm too much of a coward to say it outright. I definitely get a chub when I read about someone doing it though.]

"I could go on and on, but the difference between us is not a difference in level of empathy. I just combine my empathy with logic. [And by "logic" I actually mean hatred and racism.]

You've been well-programmed going through life with a chip on your shoulder. No one can do anything about that except you.

Inferring extra content into what has not been said is a problem for you to solve.