If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.

NP. I’m a Democrat and it feels to me that the Democrats have a lot invested in appearing to have empathy, but not actually having any empathy.

The Republican lack of empathy feels more honest in many respects.

Absolutely this. It's prevalent on this board. You fight with people who you call uneducated or dumb or whatever the case may be, if they say something you don't like. Rather than try to engage in conversation, you just call them names. You rag on rural people constantly, some of which belong to marginalized communities you claim you want to fight for. You act like you're better than people who live in the midwest. You don't know who's behind that keyboard. It could very well be a POC that you like to play white savior for.

Your true colors are showing.

That all may be true but then how on earth would a person see Trump as a solution?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t that a sociopathic trait? to lack empathy? 🤔

To lack empathy entirely is, yes. But to have no limits to your empathy and to be blindly used by various groups who take advantage of your empathy because they know you’re soft is a mark of a psychiatric disorder as well.

To draw an analogy to parenting. It’s bad to not have empathy for your kids but it’s worse to say yes to everything, never put your foot down, and be manipulated by their whining, cries of something not being fair, etc.

The former type of parenting usually produces more self reliant children, who might feel unloved sometimes. The latter type of parenting produces kids who live in their parents’ basements until their 35.

Pick your poison.

You live inside of a prison that is your own mind. You have created a narrative that justifies your worldview. Like Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

My kid will never feel unloved and no that is not some sort of disadvantage.

I think the crux of the issue is that you mistake the feeling of empathy with “being manipulated”. You are insecure and feel like your sense of self is so unstable that whenever you feel empathy your fear response leads you to protect your delicate ego against being “manipulated”. I think it is far more courageous to give generously without judgement in your heart. This is all about fear.

[Anonymous]

MAGA approves of empathy towards Trump and MAGA. Everyone else is undeserving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA approves of empathy towards Trump and MAGA. Everyone else is undeserving.

MAGA bad. Everyone else in dcum good.

This board never disappoints.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t that a sociopathic trait? to lack empathy? 🤔

To lack empathy entirely is, yes. But to have no limits to your empathy and to be blindly used by various groups who take advantage of your empathy because they know you’re soft is a mark of a psychiatric disorder as well.

To draw an analogy to parenting. It’s bad to not have empathy for your kids but it’s worse to say yes to everything, never put your foot down, and be manipulated by their whining, cries of something not being fair, etc.

The former type of parenting usually produces more self reliant children, who might feel unloved sometimes. The latter type of parenting produces kids who live in their parents’ basements until their 35.

Pick your poison.

You live inside of a prison that is your own mind. You have created a narrative that justifies your worldview. Like Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

My kid will never feel unloved and no that is not some sort of disadvantage.

I think the crux of the issue is that you mistake the feeling of empathy with “being manipulated”. You are insecure and feel like your sense of self is so unstable that whenever you feel empathy your fear response leads you to protect your delicate ego against being “manipulated”. I think it is far more courageous to give generously without judgement in your heart. This is all about fear.

You do you, boo. Feel free to give generously of your money and time to anyone you want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s contempt as much as it is people think that your idea of empathy is overrated.

Some people prioritize sane and logical decision making to empathy.

This. Liberals use “empathy” as a cudgel to manipulate people and get their way.

Examples are like not wanting to use pronouns- “Why are you so transphobic? You know you could be more emphatic and just do it!!!”

Taking note of the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants that are putting a huge strain on housing, hospitals and schools “If only you could walk in their shoes and acted like a Christian”

ok this is super interesting.
as a liberal it feels like it just isn't really an inconvenience to use someone's pronouns BUT i do agree it kind of went to like a weird place. but i think the tension is that the need to do it felt like - quite small, vs the performance of doing it.
but i do think if someone wants you to use whatever pronoun you should just suck it up and do it no? just dont make it into a whole song and dance.

Why do you believe compelled speech is empathetic? I am genuinely asking; I honestly do not understand why liberals believe forcing speech of others is empathetic.

Because it costs you nothing to call someone by the name or pronouns they want to be called. It makes them feel happy and accepted and safe and it's easy to do. Not doing so makes them feel not accepted and not safe and makes it into a much bigger issue than necessary. Refusing to adopt someone's chosen pronouns feels like a lot of effort, where the entire point is to be a jerk and make another person feel bad.

Can you explain why it's so important to you to not give someone such a small thing that is so important to them? Do you care about making people feel happy safe and accepted? Do you specifically want to send the message that they should not feel happy safe and accepted?

Again - we are forced to do many things verbally all the time.
Pronouns are no different.

You wanna actually answer the questions or nah?

It sounds like you're saying you don't want to do it because you think you're being forced. Is that true? And resisting that is more important to you than making someone feel safe and accepted? Is it specifically because the person is trans and thus does not matter to you? Or are you unable or unwilling to subjugate your own desires for anyone?

I’m agreeing with you dummy.

That obviously wasn't clear, dummy. What are you, 12?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t that a sociopathic trait? to lack empathy? 🤔

To lack empathy entirely is, yes. But to have no limits to your empathy and to be blindly used by various groups who take advantage of your empathy because they know you’re soft is a mark of a psychiatric disorder as well.

To draw an analogy to parenting. It’s bad to not have empathy for your kids but it’s worse to say yes to everything, never put your foot down, and be manipulated by their whining, cries of something not being fair, etc.

The former type of parenting usually produces more self reliant children, who might feel unloved sometimes. The latter type of parenting produces kids who live in their parents’ basements until their 35.

Pick your poison.

You live inside of a prison that is your own mind. You have created a narrative that justifies your worldview. Like Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

My kid will never feel unloved and no that is not some sort of disadvantage.

I think the crux of the issue is that you mistake the feeling of empathy with “being manipulated”. You are insecure and feel like your sense of self is so unstable that whenever you feel empathy your fear response leads you to protect your delicate ego against being “manipulated”. I think it is far more courageous to give generously without judgement in your heart. This is all about fear.

You do you, boo. Feel free to give generously of your money and time to anyone you want.

Same to you, but then why do you want people to view you as empathetic if you don’t care?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals need to have empathy for my wallet.

Why do they make affording life so, soooko difficult because of their taxes and all do the red tape that drives up costs for everything? They don't have problems giving out free housing to foreign nationals in swanky cities like New York or San Fran, but if you're a citizen, they want to upzone and ruin your neighborhood while taxing the ever loving crap out of you for the privilege to the point it makes being able to love and pay bills difficult.

Spare me the speeches about 'empathy'. Liberals have zero empathy for our own citizens. Everything they do makes everything worse.

Selfishness and greed. See it here for yourself. Money is all that matters. Screw human beings, give me MONEY!

Greed?

GTFO. My paycheck never goes up. I do not get yearly raises. Meanwhile, all Democrats do is blow massive holes in local and state budgets. They keep slamming us with more and more tax hikes to pay for their gross mismanagement of the budget. Democrats never have empathy for the working class of America. They keep spending and spending while giving themselves higher and higher salaries and pensions as public workers. They don't care they their tax hikes are ruining affordability and cost of living. Yet at the same time they will give foreign nationals here illegally free housing, free healthcare, and free food vouchers. Don't talk to me about empathy. If you were empathetic to the plight of middle Americans, you'd be advocates for cutting your salaries and cutting all sorts of local and state spending so that you could stop taxing us to death while no one's paycheck goes up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s contempt as much as it is people think that your idea of empathy is overrated.

Some people prioritize sane and logical decision making to empathy.

This. Liberals use “empathy” as a cudgel to manipulate people and get their way.

Examples are like not wanting to use pronouns- “Why are you so transphobic? You know you could be more emphatic and just do it!!!”

Taking note of the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants that are putting a huge strain on housing, hospitals and schools “If only you could walk in their shoes and acted like a Christian”

ok this is super interesting.
as a liberal it feels like it just isn't really an inconvenience to use someone's pronouns BUT i do agree it kind of went to like a weird place. but i think the tension is that the need to do it felt like - quite small, vs the performance of doing it.
but i do think if someone wants you to use whatever pronoun you should just suck it up and do it no? just dont make it into a whole song and dance.

Why do you believe compelled speech is empathetic? I am genuinely asking; I honestly do not understand why liberals believe forcing speech of others is empathetic.

I do think it is.
We are forced to be polite all the time so as not to hurt people or to be respectful. My kids school they call teachers by their first name but for a while they went to school in Fla and were asked to call them ‘miss x’. That was forced speech. But whatev. That was important to those teachers

Ah. That is a key difference you have unconsciously uncovered. You view people who disagree with you as children who must be compelled to behave. You probably also favor using state power to suppress speech you disagree with. So, you are in favor of both compelling and suppressing speech, where you are the figurative adult and your political opponent is the figurative child.

That is not empathic at all in my view. That is in fact borderline fascist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s contempt as much as it is people think that your idea of empathy is overrated.

Some people prioritize sane and logical decision making to empathy.

This. Liberals use “empathy” as a cudgel to manipulate people and get their way.

Examples are like not wanting to use pronouns- “Why are you so transphobic? You know you could be more emphatic and just do it!!!”

Taking note of the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants that are putting a huge strain on housing, hospitals and schools “If only you could walk in their shoes and acted like a Christian”

ok this is super interesting.
as a liberal it feels like it just isn't really an inconvenience to use someone's pronouns BUT i do agree it kind of went to like a weird place. but i think the tension is that the need to do it felt like - quite small, vs the performance of doing it.
but i do think if someone wants you to use whatever pronoun you should just suck it up and do it no? just dont make it into a whole song and dance.

Why do you believe compelled speech is empathetic? I am genuinely asking; I honestly do not understand why liberals believe forcing speech of others is empathetic.

Because it costs you nothing to call someone by the name or pronouns they want to be called. It makes them feel happy and accepted and safe and it's easy to do. Not doing so makes them feel not accepted and not safe and makes it into a much bigger issue than necessary. Refusing to adopt someone's chosen pronouns feels like a lot of effort, where the entire point is to be a jerk and make another person feel bad.

Can you explain why it's so important to you to not give someone such a small thing that is so important to them? Do you care about making people feel happy safe and accepted? Do you specifically want to send the message that they should not feel happy safe and accepted?

In the context of the deeply misogynistic gender ideology belief system, compelled pronouns are not about making all people feel happy, safe, and accepted. It is certainly about making biological men feel happy, safe, and accepted, which is the goal of the male supremacy movement you espouse. It certainly not about making marginalized biological women feel happy, safe, and accepted.

Answer me this: Do you believe it is empathetic to force rape victims in court to use female pronouns to describe their rapists? This has and is happening; there are court orders sanctioning rape victims for referring to their alleged attacker as “he.” By what you say, your empathies in these situation lie entirely with the rapists. Why?

I cannot view people who want to compel the use of pronouns as remotely empathetic. I see them as male supremacists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberals need to have empathy for my wallet.

Why do they make affording life so, soooko difficult because of their taxes and all do the red tape that drives up costs for everything? They don't have problems giving out free housing to foreign nationals in swanky cities like New York or San Fran, but if you're a citizen, they want to upzone and ruin your neighborhood while taxing the ever loving crap out of you for the privilege to the point it makes being able to love and pay bills difficult.

Spare me the speeches about 'empathy'. Liberals have zero empathy for our own citizens. Everything they do makes everything worse.

Selfishness and greed. See it here for yourself. Money is all that matters. Screw human beings, give me MONEY!

Greed?

GTFO. My paycheck never goes up. I do not get yearly raises. Meanwhile, all Democrats do is blow massive holes in local and state budgets. They keep slamming us with more and more tax hikes to pay for their gross mismanagement of the budget. Democrats never have empathy for the working class of America. They keep spending and spending while giving themselves higher and higher salaries and pensions as public workers. They don't care they their tax hikes are ruining affordability and cost of living. Yet at the same time they will give foreign nationals here illegally free housing, free healthcare, and free food vouchers. Don't talk to me about empathy. If you were empathetic to the plight of middle Americans, you'd be advocates for cutting your salaries and cutting all sorts of local and state spending so that you could stop taxing us to death while no one's paycheck goes up.

I agree with a lot of your sentiment but I know for certain that Trump is not an improvement in any way whatsoever. In fact Trump is actively robbing us all blind. Our tax money is being funneled to billionaires and corporations. How can you not see that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.

I don't have contempt for some empathy.

When you get to a point where half the country is supporting the other half and the democrat party's ONLY agenda is constant redistribution of income, then I have contempt for it. BIGLY.

Go watch a democrat speak today. It's always about one thing. Taking from one group and giving to another. Equity and all that crap. It is rampant today.



From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Karl Marx

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s contempt as much as it is people think that your idea of empathy is overrated.

Some people prioritize sane and logical decision making to empathy.

This. Liberals use “empathy” as a cudgel to manipulate people and get their way.

Examples are like not wanting to use pronouns- “Why are you so transphobic? You know you could be more emphatic and just do it!!!”

Taking note of the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants that are putting a huge strain on housing, hospitals and schools “If only you could walk in their shoes and acted like a Christian”

ok this is super interesting.
as a liberal it feels like it just isn't really an inconvenience to use someone's pronouns BUT i do agree it kind of went to like a weird place. but i think the tension is that the need to do it felt like - quite small, vs the performance of doing it.
but i do think if someone wants you to use whatever pronoun you should just suck it up and do it no? just dont make it into a whole song and dance.

Why do you believe compelled speech is empathetic? I am genuinely asking; I honestly do not understand why liberals believe forcing speech of others is empathetic.

I do think it is.
We are forced to be polite all the time so as not to hurt people or to be respectful. My kids school they call teachers by their first name but for a while they went to school in Fla and were asked to call them ‘miss x’. That was forced speech. But whatev. That was important to those teachers

Ah. That is a key difference you have unconsciously uncovered. You view people who disagree with you as children who must be compelled to behave. You probably also favor using state power to suppress speech you disagree with. So, you are in favor of both compelling and suppressing speech, where you are the figurative adult and your political opponent is the figurative child.

That is not empathic at all in my view. That is in fact borderline fascist.

You just put a bunch of words in the mouth of app and then called them a fascist for those things that they never said. That about sums up the experience of talking with a MAGA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Empathy can be properly reserved for the truly unfortunate, but can be tempered by a belief that people should help themselves to the maximum extent possible before turning to the government. That perspective results in antipathy to government welfare activities which can be seen as excessive, enabling those who could do better if they chose to but who made life choices which resulted in very low non-welfare incomes. Republicans understandably have little empathy for such people, but can support aid to people who are disabled, or victims of natural disasters - whose misfortunes were not arguably of their own making. There is little empathy for those who claim their situations are the results of societal animus, when it appears obvious enough that such claimants are simply unaccomplished and seek explanations for their own failures, a hidden hand which maliciously works against them which is visible only through statistical arguments which are merely descriptive, not reflective of causation. Similarly, antagonism for illegals is not reflective of a lack of empathy for the poor conditions in other countries which might make people want to emigrate, but reflects instead a belief that breaking U.S. law is not thereby justified.

So this proves that you have less empathy. I personally feel that it is gross to sit in judgement of those in need. I give freely as I can afford to do so. I realize that I am not in a position to judge the worthiness of strangers. It’s more than a little bit hypocritical that so many religious people are so judge mental and stingy with money.

All you're doing is failing to exercise any judgement, accepting claims of "need" at face value. Others actually look at peoples' circumstances before making judgments about the merits of their claims for charity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA approves of empathy towards Trump and MAGA. Everyone else is undeserving.

But it goes the same way with dems. Dems love people of color…except when they don’t do what they want. Like vote the way they want.

“All are welcome!” …except republicans