Is it not fair to say college rankings are basically just test score rankings?

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges ranked by test median with submitting % used to break ties (some of this is a year old):

Name/Median/% Submitting scores (X.XX/1.00)
MIT 1550 1.00
Duke 1550 0.93
Harvard 1550 0.74
JHU 1550 0.54
Yale 1540 0.82
Princeton 1540 0.77
Brown 1540 0.76
UChicago 1540 0.76
Rice 1540 0.72
UPenn 1540 0.70
Stanford 1540 0.69
WashU 1540 0.57
Carnegie Melon 1540 0.67
Vanderbilt 1540 0.51
Northwestern 1530 0.79
Columbia 1530 0.62
Dartmouth 1520 1.00
Cornell 1520 0.66
NYU 1520 0.39
Notre Dame 1500 0.66
Emory 1500 0.61
Tufts 1500 0.53
Northeastern 1500 0.35
Case Western 1490 0.66
USC 1490 0.46
Georgetown 1480 1.00
Boston College 1480 0.50
UMich Ann Arbor 1470 0.7
University of Virginia 1470 0.59
William & Mary 1470 0.59
Rochester 1470 0.36
UNC-CH 1460 0.63
UIUC 1450 0.56
University of Maryland (College Park) 1450 0.48
Wake Forest 1450 0.48
Tulane 1450 0.45
Brandeis 1450 0.43
BU 1450 0.4
Villanova 1450 0.36
Georgia Tech 1440 1.00
UWisconsin 1440 0.54
Stevens Insitute 1440 0.48
RPI 1430 0.6
Lehigh 1430 0.43
George Washington 1420 0.42
UMiami 1410 0.53
Binghampton 1410 0.48
Yeshiva University 1410 0.4
Santa Clara 1410 0.37
UWash 1410 0.19
Colorado School of Mines 1400 0.69
Minnesota 1400 0.42
SBU 1400 0.39
OSU 1395 0.77
UFlorida 1390 1.00
Rutgers 1380 0.55
UMass amherst 1380 0.31
American University 1370 0.36
North Carolina State 1360 0.72
Brigham Young University 1370 0.58
Virginia Tech 1360 0.54
Pitt 1360 0.5
Pepperdine 1360 0.21
University of Vermont 1340 0.46
Syracuse 1340 0.33
Purdue 1330 0.97
Drexel University 1330 0.44
UConn 1330 0.41
UGA 1320 1
FSU 1320 0.66
Clemson 1320 0.6
Auburn University 1320 0.16
Penn State 1310 0.39
SUNY Buffalo 1290 0.36
Indiana University 1280 0.57
University of Colorado Boulder 1280 0.35
University of Delaware 1280 0.28
Texas A&M 1260 0.5
University of Arizona 1260 0.35
Temple University 1260 0.26

Whare are SLACs? Are they not worthy to be ranked?

That is a list of national universities/doctoral universities.

But we are comparing test scores. Same metric: SLACs should be on here

Please do it

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Williams is 1511 and about .58 (ACT or SAT is .6; some submit both)
https://www.williams.edu/institutional-research/files/2024/04/CDS_2023_2024_Williams_April2024.pdf

Williams is .60 because above list does not do a reduction taking into account students submitting both ACT and SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:The most highly ranked schools have the highest score profiles and it gradually declines as you go down the list. It’s all just a sorting mechanism based on test scores (outside of hooks). It seems nearly impossible that an unhooked student can get into a T15 type school without super high scores. Ironically TO may have made the emphasis on scores more pronounced because unhooked students essentially need great scores. For all the yapping about curating a class, they are really just filling their classes when the highest scoring kids they can get. This shouldn’t be interpreted as meaning a high score automatically gets you in anywhere.

For T15 you need the relatively high scores to pass the initial funnel. After that, the ECs, essays, recommendations come into play. And don't be mistaken, they DO shape or "curate" the incoming class based on institutional priorities.

you need 1520+ and 3.95. the funnel is not trivial

No you dont….1380 DS unhooked here at Princeton. Only got in due to ECs and Essays….

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I think the bottom line is this list is better than US News (not saying much, I know) if it is adjusted for % submitting scores. Look at the percent submitting scores column and the only outlier amongst the top schools is JHU (which belongs more with WashU).

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges ranked by test median with submitting % used to break ties (some of this is a year old):

Name/Median/% Submitting scores (X.XX/1.00)
MIT 1550 1.00
Duke 1550 0.93
Harvard 1550 0.74
JHU 1550 0.54
Yale 1540 0.82
Princeton 1540 0.77
Brown 1540 0.76
UChicago 1540 0.76
Rice 1540 0.72
UPenn 1540 0.70
Stanford 1540 0.69
WashU 1540 0.57
Carnegie Melon 1540 0.67
Vanderbilt 1540 0.51
Northwestern 1530 0.79
Columbia 1530 0.62
Dartmouth 1520 1.00
Cornell 1520 0.66
NYU 1520 0.39
Notre Dame 1500 0.66
Emory 1500 0.61
Tufts 1500 0.53
Northeastern 1500 0.35
Case Western 1490 0.66
USC 1490 0.46
Georgetown 1480 1.00
Boston College 1480 0.50
UMich Ann Arbor 1470 0.7
University of Virginia 1470 0.59
William & Mary 1470 0.59
Rochester 1470 0.36
UNC-CH 1460 0.63
UIUC 1450 0.56
University of Maryland (College Park) 1450 0.48
Wake Forest 1450 0.48
Tulane 1450 0.45
Brandeis 1450 0.43
BU 1450 0.4
Villanova 1450 0.36
Georgia Tech 1440 1.00
UWisconsin 1440 0.54
Stevens Insitute 1440 0.48
RPI 1430 0.6
Lehigh 1430 0.43
George Washington 1420 0.42
UMiami 1410 0.53
Binghampton 1410 0.48
Yeshiva University 1410 0.4
Santa Clara 1410 0.37
UWash 1410 0.19
Colorado School of Mines 1400 0.69
Minnesota 1400 0.42
SBU 1400 0.39
OSU 1395 0.77
UFlorida 1390 1.00
Rutgers 1380 0.55
UMass amherst 1380 0.31
American University 1370 0.36
North Carolina State 1360 0.72
Brigham Young University 1370 0.58
Virginia Tech 1360 0.54
Pitt 1360 0.5
Pepperdine 1360 0.21
University of Vermont 1340 0.46
Syracuse 1340 0.33
Purdue 1330 0.97
Drexel University 1330 0.44
UConn 1330 0.41
UGA 1320 1
FSU 1320 0.66
Clemson 1320 0.6
Auburn University 1320 0.16
Penn State 1310 0.39
SUNY Buffalo 1290 0.36
Indiana University 1280 0.57
University of Colorado Boulder 1280 0.35
University of Delaware 1280 0.28
Texas A&M 1260 0.5
University of Arizona 1260 0.35
Temple University 1260 0.26

Whare are SLACs? Are they not worthy to be ranked?

That is a list of national universities/doctoral universities.

Yeah.. and who cares about useless SLACs

Wake Forest and William and Mary are barely universities. Close down their grad programs and they're SLACs. Get over yourself.

Doesn't Wake have a med school?

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TO has allowed TOP schools to admit kids that are interesting without damaging their avg test scores…

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Anonymous wrote:The most highly ranked schools have the highest score profiles and it gradually declines as you go down the list. It’s all just a sorting mechanism based on test scores (outside of hooks). It seems nearly impossible that an unhooked student can get into a T15 type school without super high scores. Ironically TO may have made the emphasis on scores more pronounced because unhooked students essentially need great scores. For all the yapping about curating a class, they are really just filling their classes when the highest scoring kids they can get. This shouldn’t be interpreted as meaning a high score automatically gets you in anywhere.

For T15 you need the relatively high scores to pass the initial funnel. After that, the ECs, essays, recommendations come into play. And don't be mistaken, they DO shape or "curate" the incoming class based on institutional priorities.

you need 1520+ and 3.95. the funnel is not trivial

No you dont….1380 DS unhooked here at Princeton. Only got in due to ECs and Essays….

We know. You post on every thread. He sold his business for $50,000 and donated the money to charity.

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges ranked by test median with submitting % used to break ties (some of this is a year old):

Name/Median/% Submitting scores (X.XX/1.00)
MIT 1550 1.00
Duke 1550 0.93
Harvard 1550 0.74
JHU 1550 0.54
Yale 1540 0.82
Princeton 1540 0.77
Brown 1540 0.76
UChicago 1540 0.76
Rice 1540 0.72
UPenn 1540 0.70
Stanford 1540 0.69
WashU 1540 0.57
Carnegie Melon 1540 0.67
Vanderbilt 1540 0.51
Northwestern 1530 0.79
Columbia 1530 0.62
Dartmouth 1520 1.00
Cornell 1520 0.66
NYU 1520 0.39
Notre Dame 1500 0.66
Emory 1500 0.61
Tufts 1500 0.53
Northeastern 1500 0.35
Case Western 1490 0.66
USC 1490 0.46
Georgetown 1480 1.00
Boston College 1480 0.50
UMich Ann Arbor 1470 0.7
University of Virginia 1470 0.59
William & Mary 1470 0.59
Rochester 1470 0.36
UNC-CH 1460 0.63
UIUC 1450 0.56
University of Maryland (College Park) 1450 0.48
Wake Forest 1450 0.48
Tulane 1450 0.45
Brandeis 1450 0.43
BU 1450 0.4
Villanova 1450 0.36
Georgia Tech 1440 1.00
UWisconsin 1440 0.54
Stevens Insitute 1440 0.48
RPI 1430 0.6
Lehigh 1430 0.43
George Washington 1420 0.42
UMiami 1410 0.53
Binghampton 1410 0.48
Yeshiva University 1410 0.4
Santa Clara 1410 0.37
UWash 1410 0.19
Colorado School of Mines 1400 0.69
Minnesota 1400 0.42
SBU 1400 0.39
OSU 1395 0.77
UFlorida 1390 1.00
Rutgers 1380 0.55
UMass amherst 1380 0.31
American University 1370 0.36
North Carolina State 1360 0.72
Brigham Young University 1370 0.58
Virginia Tech 1360 0.54
Pitt 1360 0.5
Pepperdine 1360 0.21
University of Vermont 1340 0.46
Syracuse 1340 0.33
Purdue 1330 0.97
Drexel University 1330 0.44
UConn 1330 0.41
UGA 1320 1
FSU 1320 0.66
Clemson 1320 0.6
Auburn University 1320 0.16
Penn State 1310 0.39
SUNY Buffalo 1290 0.36
Indiana University 1280 0.57
University of Colorado Boulder 1280 0.35
University of Delaware 1280 0.28
Texas A&M 1260 0.5
University of Arizona 1260 0.35
Temple University 1260 0.26

Whare are SLACs? Are they not worthy to be ranked?

That is a list of national universities/doctoral universities.

Yeah.. and who cares about useless SLACs

Anyone with half a brain which you obviously are missing. At least 5 SLACs would be in the top 25 here you ignorant twit.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most highly ranked schools have the highest score profiles and it gradually declines as you go down the list. It’s all just a sorting mechanism based on test scores (outside of hooks). It seems nearly impossible that an unhooked student can get into a T15 type school without super high scores. Ironically TO may have made the emphasis on scores more pronounced because unhooked students essentially need great scores. For all the yapping about curating a class, they are really just filling their classes when the highest scoring kids they can get. This shouldn’t be interpreted as meaning a high score automatically gets you in anywhere.

For T15 you need the relatively high scores to pass the initial funnel. After that, the ECs, essays, recommendations come into play. And don't be mistaken, they DO shape or "curate" the incoming class based on institutional priorities.

you need 1520+ and 3.95. the funnel is not trivial

No you dont….1380 DS unhooked here at Princeton. Only got in due to ECs and Essays….

We know. You post on every thread. He sold his business for $50,000 and donated the money to charity.

Just hate absolute stmts trying to excuse kid denial despite high stats.

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USNWR is basically a popularity contest. If you compare their total scores to all the criteria they use, it's the opinions of college administrators that most closely follow the totals. And these administrators' opinions have been influenced their entire careers by the very rankings they're contributing to, plus their jobs depend on those rankings!

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Every school has its institutional priorities but once those are met they are trying to fill the class with the strongest students they can attract. Test score profile is the strongest indicator of selectivity which is customers’ own ranking mechanism for which schools are best.

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Anonymous wrote:Every school has its institutional priorities but once those are met they are trying to fill the class with the strongest students they can attract. Test score profile is the strongest indicator of selectivity which is customers’ own ranking mechanism for which schools are best.

Yep. Which is why the quality has absolutely gone down at places like Hopkins that were test optional and pushed so hard to askew actual merit for institutional priorities.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most highly ranked schools have the highest score profiles and it gradually declines as you go down the list. It’s all just a sorting mechanism based on test scores (outside of hooks). It seems nearly impossible that an unhooked student can get into a T15 type school without super high scores. Ironically TO may have made the emphasis on scores more pronounced because unhooked students essentially need great scores. For all the yapping about curating a class, they are really just filling their classes when the highest scoring kids they can get. This shouldn’t be interpreted as meaning a high score automatically gets you in anywhere.

For T15 you need the relatively high scores to pass the initial funnel. After that, the ECs, essays, recommendations come into play. And don't be mistaken, they DO shape or "curate" the incoming class based on institutional priorities.

you need 1520+ and 3.95. the funnel is not trivial

No you dont….1380 DS unhooked here at Princeton. Only got in due to ECs and Essays….

We know. You post on every thread. He sold his business for $50,000 and donated the money to charity.

Seriously. I roll my eyes every time she writes this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the bottom line is this list is better than US News (not saying much, I know) if it is adjusted for % submitting scores. Look at the percent submitting scores column and the only outlier amongst the top schools is JHU (which belongs more with WashU).

And Vandy, if I recall, has a lower % of submitters.

In JHU's defense, they have seen the writing on the wall, and have returned to requiring test scores starting with next fall's admission season.

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Anonymous wrote:Every school has its institutional priorities but once those are met they are trying to fill the class with the strongest students they can attract. Test score profile is the strongest indicator of selectivity which is customers’ own ranking mechanism for which schools are best.

Yep. Which is why the quality has absolutely gone down at places like Hopkins that were test optional and pushed so hard to askew actual merit for institutional priorities.

Duke and of course Stanford I get but I struggle to understand why JHU and Northwestern are perceived as Ivy Peers and a cut above schools like Vandy, ND, WashU, CMU, Rice, Chicago, Gtown. It’s not in the test scores really and it’s not necessarily in the other characteristics of the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Every school has its institutional priorities but once those are met they are trying to fill the class with the strongest students they can attract. Test score profile is the strongest indicator of selectivity which is customers’ own ranking mechanism for which schools are best.

Yep. Which is why the quality has absolutely gone down at places like Hopkins that were test optional and pushed so hard to askew actual merit for institutional priorities.

Duke and of course Stanford I get but I struggle to understand why JHU and Northwestern are perceived as Ivy Peers and a cut above schools like Vandy, ND, WashU, CMU, Rice, Chicago, Gtown. It’s not in the test scores really and it’s not necessarily in the other characteristics of the schools.

Duke and Northwestern both had, for fall 2023, more test score submitters than Harvard Penn UChicago Brown etc. Among schools still TO for that admission season, only Yale had more (and of course test-required schools had more).

With JHU and Stanford returning to test required for the 2025-26 admission season, it will be interesting to see what Northwestern and Duke decide to do for next fall. Neither has announced a policy yet, as far as I know.