Is it not fair to say college rankings are basically just test score rankings?

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Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

I don’t see why. The average Rutgers student is pretty poor at academics, the school has few if any standout programs, and it’s a massive public school that lacks the rigor to compensate for its middling students.

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piss poor SAT scores, unselective admissions... i'll bet the PP graduated from a place just like Rutgers! cue the PP claiming ivy credentials while sitting next to their rutgers/uc riverside degree hung on the wall LOL

Must be a PP from Wake Forest or Tulane or some middling irrelevant private college outside the T50. 🤣

USNWR is in your head. Relax, it'll be OK.

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Anonymous wrote:The most highly ranked schools have the highest score profiles and it gradually declines as you go down the list. It’s all just a sorting mechanism based on test scores (outside of hooks). It seems nearly impossible that an unhooked student can get into a T15 type school without super high scores. Ironically TO may have made the emphasis on scores more pronounced because unhooked students essentially need great scores. For all the yapping about curating a class, they are really just filling their classes when the highest scoring kids they can get. This shouldn’t be interpreted as meaning a high score automatically gets you in anywhere.

I think USNWR is now kind of a mashup of two lists. The first is highly selective (high stat), wealthy schools (high resources) that are predominantly private. The second is high mobility (Pell grant), high research schools that are predominantly public. To boost schools in the second group, they dropped ranking criteria like class size, student-to-faculty ratio, and alumni giving %.

Yes, and rankings are better as a result. There are excellent private and public colleges out there.

Most of the DCUMers complaining are for their privates they attended 30 years ago "dropping" in USNWR ranking.

I think the rankings should focus on educational quality and cost.

You mean value. Value is different from people to people
Cohort quality effects educational quality a lot.
Every year student rank the schools with all those information.

The actual outcome of the yearly ranking is a combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality (i.e. SAT which is objectively measurable) then retention rate and graduation rate as secondary data.
We get actual the real ranking by the choices and actions by the actual students, the consumers.

Not really. I am saying a ranking that measures how much a school spends (setting aside how much of that is actually spent on undergraduates) encourages prestige-seeking schools to jack up tuition and fees, which in turn inflates the entire system. We have ended up with a higher education system that is the most expensive and way out of line with the rest of the world.

Again, endowment, spending, cost, value, whatever all are taken into account when students make their ultimate decisions and actions.

The schools on top of the food chain created today's system. They were initially ran as countr clubs for rich people.
They invented ED and all sorts of tactics too.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

USNWR is an imaginary ranking. It's the most influential reference but still an imaginary ranking among many.
You can trust it all you want and think it's appropriate. It's your opinion and freedom.

At the end like yourself, every single 10 million students make their actual ranking and ultimate decisions based on all sorts of data, information, references(including USNWR), etc.

It turns out that the actual consumers ranked Rutgers much lower hence, it has high acceptance rate, low yield, lower quality cohort. This is just outcome of actions of the 10 million students in reality which is the real ranking not imaginary.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

USNWR is an imaginary ranking. It's the most influential reference but still an imaginary ranking among many.
You can trust it all you want and think it's appropriate. It's your opinion and freedom.

At the end like yourself, every single 10 million students make their actual ranking and ultimate decisions based on all sorts of data, information, references(including USNWR), etc.

It turns out that the actual consumers ranked Rutgers much lower hence, it has high acceptance rate, low yield, lower quality cohort. This is just outcome of actions of the 10 million students in reality which is the real ranking not imaginary.

Do all Rutgers campuses get blended into the stats? The main campus in New Brunswick is more competitive, always has been.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

USNWR is an imaginary ranking. It's the most influential reference but still an imaginary ranking among many.
You can trust it all you want and think it's appropriate. It's your opinion and freedom.

At the end like yourself, every single 10 million students make their actual ranking and ultimate decisions based on all sorts of data, information, references(including USNWR), etc.

It turns out that the actual consumers ranked Rutgers much lower hence, it has high acceptance rate, low yield, lower quality cohort. This is just outcome of actions of the 10 million students in reality which is the real ranking not imaginary.

Do all Rutgers campuses get blended into the stats? The main campus in New Brunswick is more competitive, always has been.

They do not get blended together. New Brunswick is separately evaluated and ranked.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

USNWR is an imaginary ranking. It's the most influential reference but still an imaginary ranking among many.
You can trust it all you want and think it's appropriate. It's your opinion and freedom.

At the end like yourself, every single 10 million students make their actual ranking and ultimate decisions based on all sorts of data, information, references(including USNWR), etc.

It turns out that the actual consumers ranked Rutgers much lower hence, it has high acceptance rate, low yield, lower quality cohort. This is just outcome of actions of the 10 million students in reality which is the real ranking not imaginary.

Do all Rutgers campuses get blended into the stats? The main campus in New Brunswick is more competitive, always has been.

They don't.

The PP is just a USWR hater who is using Rutgers as a source of his angst. That's fine. There's always going to be a anonymous that doesn't like a particular school. There are numerous public colleges that rose in the USNWR rankings for reasons he doesn't like. Rutgers, Ohio State, UMDCP, etc. are fine schools in the T50 serving a large population of smart kids.

PPs like him are mad schools like Tulane are between Penn State and Rutgers Newark in the rankings. Poor thing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

USNWR is an imaginary ranking. It's the most influential reference but still an imaginary ranking among many.
You can trust it all you want and think it's appropriate. It's your opinion and freedom.

At the end like yourself, every single 10 million students make their actual ranking and ultimate decisions based on all sorts of data, information, references(including USNWR), etc.

It turns out that the actual consumers ranked Rutgers much lower hence, it has high acceptance rate, low yield, lower quality cohort. This is just outcome of actions of the 10 million students in reality which is the real ranking not imaginary.

Do all Rutgers campuses get blended into the stats? The main campus in New Brunswick is more competitive, always has been.

They do not get blended together. New Brunswick is separately evaluated and ranked.

Doesn't make difference in this context. It still has high acceptance rate 65%, low yield 28% (even as a state flagship), lower cohort quality, below 1400 average SAT.

It's like every year, close to 10 million students vote on the ranking.
Only thing is that if you have lower stat, your vote counts less.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

USNWR is an imaginary ranking. It's the most influential reference but still an imaginary ranking among many.
You can trust it all you want and think it's appropriate. It's your opinion and freedom.

At the end like yourself, every single 10 million students make their actual ranking and ultimate decisions based on all sorts of data, information, references(including USNWR), etc.

It turns out that the actual consumers ranked Rutgers much lower hence, it has high acceptance rate, low yield, lower quality cohort. This is just outcome of actions of the 10 million students in reality which is the real ranking not imaginary.

Do all Rutgers campuses get blended into the stats? The main campus in New Brunswick is more competitive, always has been.

They do not get blended together. New Brunswick is separately evaluated and ranked.

Doesn't make difference in this context. It still has high acceptance rate 65%, low yield 28% (even as a state flagship), lower cohort quality, below 1400 average SAT.

It's like every year, close to 10 million students vote on the ranking.
Only thing is that if you have lower stat, your vote counts less.

Very true

[Anonymous]

If you don't think the US News methodology is good, then of course you think some schools are over or under ranked.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't think the US News methodology is good, then of course you think some schools are over or under ranked.

It's not just think.
Again every year. close to 10 millions actual students collectively rank the schools by applying and committing, and we get the the actual ranking in reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

USNWR is an imaginary ranking. It's the most influential reference but still an imaginary ranking among many.
You can trust it all you want and think it's appropriate. It's your opinion and freedom.

At the end like yourself, every single 10 million students make their actual ranking and ultimate decisions based on all sorts of data, information, references(including USNWR), etc.

It turns out that the actual consumers ranked Rutgers much lower hence, it has high acceptance rate, low yield, lower quality cohort. This is just outcome of actions of the 10 million students in reality which is the real ranking not imaginary.

Do all Rutgers campuses get blended into the stats? The main campus in New Brunswick is more competitive, always has been.

They do not get blended together. New Brunswick is separately evaluated and ranked.

Doesn't make difference in this context. It still has high acceptance rate 65%, low yield 28% (even as a state flagship), lower cohort quality, below 1400 average SAT.

It's like every year, close to 10 million students vote on the ranking.
Only thing is that if you have lower stat, your vote counts less.

Your goofy "10 million" students "vote" rationale aside, more students attend public colleges than private. The public colleges ranked relatively high in USNWR are a reflection of the overall quality education they provide.

[Anonymous]

High average test scores and a high per student endowment tends to be the best indicator of a school's ranking and prestige. You can massage an algorithm all you want, but in the real world test scores and endowment are a pretty good proxy for what are generally regarded as the best schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

USNWR is an imaginary ranking. It's the most influential reference but still an imaginary ranking among many.
You can trust it all you want and think it's appropriate. It's your opinion and freedom.

At the end like yourself, every single 10 million students make their actual ranking and ultimate decisions based on all sorts of data, information, references(including USNWR), etc.

It turns out that the actual consumers ranked Rutgers much lower hence, it has high acceptance rate, low yield, lower quality cohort. This is just outcome of actions of the 10 million students in reality which is the real ranking not imaginary.

Do all Rutgers campuses get blended into the stats? The main campus in New Brunswick is more competitive, always has been.

They do not get blended together. New Brunswick is separately evaluated and ranked.

Doesn't make difference in this context. It still has high acceptance rate 65%, low yield 28% (even as a state flagship), lower cohort quality, below 1400 average SAT.

It's like every year, close to 10 million students vote on the ranking.
Only thing is that if you have lower stat, your vote counts less.

Your goofy "10 million" students "vote" rationale aside, more students attend public colleges than private. The public colleges ranked relatively high in USNWR are a reflection of the overall quality education they provide.

The public colleges have lower stat kids compared to private counterparts.
Having huge number of lower stat kids doesn't make it quality education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

USNWR is an imaginary ranking. It's the most influential reference but still an imaginary ranking among many.
You can trust it all you want and think it's appropriate. It's your opinion and freedom.

At the end like yourself, every single 10 million students make their actual ranking and ultimate decisions based on all sorts of data, information, references(including USNWR), etc.

It turns out that the actual consumers ranked Rutgers much lower hence, it has high acceptance rate, low yield, lower quality cohort. This is just outcome of actions of the 10 million students in reality which is the real ranking not imaginary.

Do all Rutgers campuses get blended into the stats? The main campus in New Brunswick is more competitive, always has been.

They do not get blended together. New Brunswick is separately evaluated and ranked.

Doesn't make difference in this context. It still has high acceptance rate 65%, low yield 28% (even as a state flagship), lower cohort quality, below 1400 average SAT.

It's like every year, close to 10 million students vote on the ranking.
Only thing is that if you have lower stat, your vote counts less.

Your goofy "10 million" students "vote" rationale aside, more students attend public colleges than private. The public colleges ranked relatively high in USNWR are a reflection of the overall quality education they provide.

The public colleges have lower stat kids compared to private counterparts.
Having huge number of lower stat kids doesn't make it quality education.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't think the US News methodology is good, then of course you think some schools are over or under ranked.

It's not just think.
Again every year. close to 10 millions actual students collectively rank the schools by applying and committing, and we get the the actual ranking in reality.

That would be more interesting than US News but you still have to do your own ranking.