Is it not fair to say college rankings are basically just test score rankings?

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Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

USNWR is an imaginary ranking. It's the most influential reference but still an imaginary ranking among many.
You can trust it all you want and think it's appropriate. It's your opinion and freedom.

At the end like yourself, every single 10 million students make their actual ranking and ultimate decisions based on all sorts of data, information, references(including USNWR), etc.

It turns out that the actual consumers ranked Rutgers much lower hence, it has high acceptance rate, low yield, lower quality cohort. This is just outcome of actions of the 10 million students in reality which is the real ranking not imaginary.

Do all Rutgers campuses get blended into the stats? The main campus in New Brunswick is more competitive, always has been.

They do not get blended together. New Brunswick is separately evaluated and ranked.

Doesn't make difference in this context. It still has high acceptance rate 65%, low yield 28% (even as a state flagship), lower cohort quality, below 1400 average SAT.

It's like every year, close to 10 million students vote on the ranking.
Only thing is that if you have lower stat, your vote counts less.

Your goofy "10 million" students "vote" rationale aside, more students attend public colleges than private. The public colleges ranked relatively high in USNWR are a reflection of the overall quality education they provide.

The public colleges have lower stat kids compared to private counterparts.
Having huge number of lower stat kids doesn't make it quality education.

Outside of the T50 (out of 4k colleges) there are many more high stats kids in public colleges than the private ones. They happen to be in a lower socio-economic range. That's OK.

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Anonymous wrote:High average test scores and a high per student endowment tends to be the best indicator of a school's ranking and prestige. You can massage an algorithm all you want, but in the real world test scores and endowment are a pretty good proxy for what are generally regarded as the best schools.

Again, test scores(cohort quality), per student endowment, cost, etc. etc. are all considerations in students' decisions.
You can come up with your criterion just like everyone else, but again every year we get the collative real actions by 10 million students. That represents the best ranking, not the imaginary magazine rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't think the US News methodology is good, then of course you think some schools are over or under ranked.

It's not just think.
Again every year. close to 10 millions actual students collectively rank the schools by applying and committing, and we get the the actual ranking in reality.

That would be more interesting than US News but you still have to do your own ranking.

That's what I said that every single 10 million students make their own rankings.
At the end, we have real ranking collectively decided by the 10 million students.
You can reference them (USNews or the actual ranking or others) or ignore them in your own ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:High average test scores and a high per student endowment tends to be the best indicator of a school's ranking and prestige. You can massage an algorithm all you want, but in the real world test scores and endowment are a pretty good proxy for what are generally regarded as the best schools.

Again, test scores(cohort quality), per student endowment, cost, etc. etc. are all considerations in students' decisions.
You can come up with your criterion just like everyone else, but again every year we get the collative real actions by 10 million students. That represents the best ranking, not the imaginary magazine rankings.

Yeah, ok.

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Anonymous wrote:High average test scores and a high per student endowment tends to be the best indicator of a school's ranking and prestige. You can massage an algorithm all you want, but in the real world test scores and endowment are a pretty good proxy for what are generally regarded as the best schools.

Again, test scores(cohort quality), per student endowment, cost, etc. etc. are all considerations in students' decisions.
You can come up with your criterion just like everyone else, but again every year we get the collative real actions by 10 million students. That represents the best ranking, not the imaginary magazine rankings.

Agreed

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Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

Appropriate is such a cop out. Make a real argument. Why do you think the percentage of pell grant students at a university should be weighted more than class standing?

+1000 Who cares how many kids are Pell grant recipients? Who cares about social mobility? Neither of these things makes an excellent university for my kid. We are full pay and my kid will be 4th/5th generation to attend college.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

Appropriate is such a cop out. Make a real argument. Why do you think the percentage of pell grant students at a university should be weighted more than class standing?

+1000 Who cares how many kids are Pell grant recipients? Who cares about social mobility? Neither of these things makes an excellent university for my kid. We are full pay and my kid will be 4th/5th generation to attend college.

Exactly. No way are we going Rutgers over Case Western because of pell grant BS.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

Appropriate is such a cop out. Make a real argument. Why do you think the percentage of pell grant students at a university should be weighted more than class standing?

+1000 Who cares how many kids are Pell grant recipients? Who cares about social mobility? Neither of these things makes an excellent university for my kid. We are full pay and my kid will be 4th/5th generation to attend college.

Exactly. No way are we going Rutgers over Case Western because of pell grant BS.

Rutgers has like a 28% yield rate.

Case Western has a less than 15% yield rate. 🤣

You sockpuppet posters are silly.

Start your own ranking system.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

Appropriate is such a cop out. Make a real argument. Why do you think the percentage of pell grant students at a university should be weighted more than class standing?

+1000 Who cares how many kids are Pell grant recipients? Who cares about social mobility? Neither of these things makes an excellent university for my kid. We are full pay and my kid will be 4th/5th generation to attend college.

Exactly. No way are we going Rutgers over Case Western because of pell grant BS.

Rutgers has like a 28% yield rate.

Case Western has a less than 15% yield rate. 🤣

You sockpuppet posters are silly.

Start your own ranking system.

Just goes to show that yield rate doesn't mean much. Student quality trumps yield any day.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, USN&WR says Ruttgers is #41

However real people actually ranked it significantly lower than that, hence not many students especially high stat kids ranked it high and chose it. Thus it has high acceptance rate, low yield, and full of 1250 SAT kids.

Which reference do you take more seriously the magazine ranking or the real-life ranking by the actions of the real students?

Rutgers USNWR ranking is appropriate. If you don't like it, sorry. You can ignore the ranking or send your kid to another college. Many to choose from. Private and public.

Appropriate is such a cop out. Make a real argument. Why do you think the percentage of pell grant students at a university should be weighted more than class standing?

+1000 Who cares how many kids are Pell grant recipients? Who cares about social mobility? Neither of these things makes an excellent university for my kid. We are full pay and my kid will be 4th/5th generation to attend college.

Exactly. No way are we going Rutgers over Case Western because of pell grant BS.

Rutgers has like a 28% yield rate.

Case Western has a less than 15% yield rate. 🤣

You sockpuppet posters are silly.

Start your own ranking system.

Just goes to show that yield rate doesn't mean much. Student quality trumps yield any day.

BYU's yield rate is greater than Caltech.

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Rutgers is a strong school. NJ is filled with upper middle class families who won't qualify for financial aid. Rutgers is a natural option for them. Plenty of smart kids whose parents can't or won't swing 90k on a perhaps higher ranked private.

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That's the way it should be.

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Anonymous wrote:That's the way it should be.

Agree, but if you believe the Dartmouth press release explaining how they will be viewing test scores going forward, it won’t be that way at all.
They are no longer comparing/ranking just the test result/score. Instead it’s how did the applicant score within their high school environment. In other words, a kid who is top of their class and scored better than 98% of their classmates at their high school with a score of 1320 may be admitted over an applicant who scored a 1510 from a high school where they were in lower top quarter of students and whose score was surpassed by 15% of their classmates from that high school.
Equity admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:That's the way it should be.

Agree, but if you believe the Dartmouth press release explaining how they will be viewing test scores going forward, it won’t be that way at all.
They are no longer comparing/ranking just the test result/score. Instead it’s how did the applicant score within their high school environment. In other words, a kid who is top of their class and scored better than 98% of their classmates at their high school with a score of 1320 may be admitted over an applicant who scored a 1510 from a high school where they were in lower top quarter of students and whose score was surpassed by 15% of their classmates from that high school.
Equity admissions.

That's a sound approach. Other Ivies have/should follow suit.

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely not. Asian universities select SOLELY on test scores. Some European and Canadians select on a mix of test scores and grades.

The US is the epitome of a system that takes into account a host of soft skills that are difficult to quantify, such as quality of essays, extra-curricular achievements, particularly in sports, and legacy and development status.

It's absolutely normal (you'd think, right, OP?), that educational institutions pick candidates based on grades and tests scores. But the US puts significantly less emphasis on them than other countries.

Nobody even freaking knows who actually wrote the essay LOL.
If they want to do it right, they need to do the essay in SAT style.
Everyone comes to a testing site and given a prompt to write an essay on the spot.

+10000.
Damn so many cheating/professional helping in the Essay writing!
If you really want to see how one student can write a good essay or how good he/she mastering writing skill, put them in a test situation with no access to external help.
The current Essay process is a joke.