Why aren’t males attending college?

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is an engineering major and is surrounded by a sea of guys. It’s maybe 10-15% girls in most of her classes. But yeah damn those girls for taking 10-15% of the spots that should go to boys. Girls who code is clearly an awful, anti boy club. Girls should be cooking and cleaning.

My son is a humanities major and the stats for boys in those majors is less competitive than the stats for girls which likely helped him. There are more girls but no where near the gap in the engineering majors.

I'm sure your daughter earned her spot in engineering. Absolutely no one is suggesting she should be cooking and cleaning. You are diminishing her by making things about gender.

The OP’s post is claiming there is a gender imbalance favoring girls. Other posts bemoaned programs to support girls going into male dominated fields. Engineering is still 90% male dominated.

If you have a source for that being widely the case at the college level, let’s hear it. You are wrong. More than a few times in HS and college my kid found an exciting program to apply for only to learn it was intended for females or URMs. At some point they stop looking. Doesn’t matter that he had nearly perfect APs and SAT scores. You can pretend it’s not happening, but it is.

8% of mechanical engineers in industry are woman. 16% of mechanical engineering majors in 2022 were women. In my DD’s school 10% are women. There are plenty of spots for boys, 90% of them.

No one is hiring those without job experience. This is across the board here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the point of going to college when they can’t get a job?
DS did his degree in microbiology. Hasn’t found a job in his field even though he applied to 100’s of positions.
The same is true with his classmates. There are those who went to grad school. The others are working minimum wage jobs that don’t require any degree.
DS is now attending a trade school to make decent money.

How is this possible? Is he trying to get a job in remote Alaska? There are so many unfilled jobs out there.

No, he has applied to jobs in DC proper, MD and Virginia. He got just a few phone calls back but no interviews. He even paid hundreds of dollars to get his resume rewritten by a so called specialist. It seems the advertised jobs are reserved for family and friends.

Experiencing the same. Most of the jobs require years of experience.

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Sorry forgot to click entry level. These are full time jobs paying over 50k in the DC area requiring a bachelor's in his field.
https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=microbiology+%2455%2C000&l=washington%2C+dc&sc=0kf%3Aattr%28FCGTU%7CHFDVW%7CQJZM9%7CUTPWG%252COR%29jt%28fulltime%29%3B&vjk=cc3a4b1fbaa75017

Many of these are "ghost jobs". My kid has experienced this in the stem arena. My kid has top grades, lots of ecs, and has been applying all over the place.

[Anonymous]

Males do attend school - I live in Cambridge and I see way more men at Econ seminars at H and M that I pop into.

The gender split is crazy - like 90-10

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Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

In our public universities, only 60% of men manage to graduate.

And males fail to complete high school at a significantly higher rate than females: 150% more. Though given the most female drop outs are pregnancy related, that ratio may change soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Males do attend school - I live in Cambridge and I see way more men at Econ seminars at H and M that I pop into.

The gender split is crazy - like 90-10

Speaking of logical fallacy.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

Education is a funnel.

And over the past decade or two, the funnel has been designed to funnel away boys, starting in kindergarten.

Try to find a stem enrichment opportunity explicitly for young men. You can't. There are zero.

Then look for one for young women. There are dozens upon dozens.

That is just one example among many.

You mean white/Asian men.

This is actually true. I would also be shocked if any school would encourage a group like "Men who Write" or other such groups that would reflect an imbalance of men pursuing the humanities compared to women.

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Anonymous wrote:Test Optional admissions.

Trend will reverse as standardized tests come back.

This.

Also the college board revamping the scoring to significantly favor woman by weighting the language portion double compared to the math portion.

This was done explicity to create this result, to increase the number of women in collge above the number of men in college.

What does this mean exactly?

More bs. I have boys who have very high scores on those tests and have degrees in the right fields and are finding few jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

Education is a funnel.

And over the past decade or two, the funnel has been designed to funnel away boys, starting in kindergarten.

Try to find a stem enrichment opportunity explicitly for young men. You can't. There are zero.

Then look for one for young women. There are dozens upon dozens.

That is just one example among many.

You are missing the cause. These areas are historically stereotypically male. The stem enrichment opportunities for men are not needed. STEM field isn’t pushing away men. These programs encourage women to get involved, bridge the gap for potential, and provide a support system.

Similarly, for URM. Your argument is like these STEM enrichment opportunities explicitly for URM are pushing away ”majority” students. they are not. They encourage URM to apply, help bridge the gap for potential, and provide a support system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

Education is a funnel.

And over the past decade or two, the funnel has been designed to funnel away boys, starting in kindergarten.

Try to find a stem enrichment opportunity explicitly for young men. You can't. There are zero.

Then look for one for young women. There are dozens upon dozens.

That is just one example among many.

I wholeheartedly agree, and it needs to change. So many moms of boys agree--we see this!

And it is yet another thing that favors the wealthy. Your daughter can go to robotics camp for free, but it will cost you almost $2000 a week to send your son to one (in this area).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

Education is a funnel.

And over the past decade or two, the funnel has been designed to funnel away boys, starting in kindergarten.

Try to find a stem enrichment opportunity explicitly for young men. You can't. There are zero.

Then look for one for young women. There are dozens upon dozens.

That is just one example among many.

You are missing the cause. These areas are historically stereotypically male. The stem enrichment opportunities for men are not needed. STEM field isn’t pushing away men. These programs encourage women to get involved, bridge the gap for potential, and provide a support system.

Similarly, for URM. Your argument is like these STEM enrichment opportunities explicitly for URM are pushing away ”majority” students. they are not. They encourage URM to apply, help bridge the gap for potential, and provide a support system.

However, I am not aware of anything offered for males in stereotypically female courses of study. Can you name a humanities-focused organization that exists primarily to get men interested in the humanities?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

Education is a funnel.

And over the past decade or two, the funnel has been designed to funnel away boys, starting in kindergarten.

Try to find a stem enrichment opportunity explicitly for young men. You can't. There are zero.

Then look for one for young women. There are dozens upon dozens.

That is just one example among many.

You mean white/Asian men.

This is actually true. I would also be shocked if any school would encourage a group like "Men who Write" or other such groups that would reflect an imbalance of men pursuing the humanities compared to women.

They sort-of do.

Large state schools don’t have a lack of applicants, so they can accept 50% men and 50% women.

Smaller or liberal arts schools, that are not stem-focused, try hard to get as close as possible to a 50-50 enrollment. With that, quite a few end up accepting a significantly lower percentage of women vs men.

This school is very welcoming to men who write or want to concentrate studies in linguistics or art or music. But We’ve already decided that we don’t want a school to advertise what applicants they need to get their enrollment balanced and more diverse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

Would you say the same thing about race?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

Education is a funnel.

And over the past decade or two, the funnel has been designed to funnel away boys, starting in kindergarten.

Try to find a stem enrichment opportunity explicitly for young men. You can't. There are zero.

Then look for one for young women. There are dozens upon dozens.

That is just one example among many.

You mean white/Asian men.

This is actually true. I would also be shocked if any school would encourage a group like "Men who Write" or other such groups that would reflect an imbalance of men pursuing the humanities compared to women.

They sort-of do.

Large state schools don’t have a lack of applicants, so they can accept 50% men and 50% women.

Smaller or liberal arts schools, that are not stem-focused, try hard to get as close as possible to a 50-50 enrollment. With that, quite a few end up accepting a significantly lower percentage of women vs men.

This school is very welcoming to men who write or want to concentrate studies in linguistics or art or music. But We’ve already decided that we don’t want a school to advertise what applicants they need to get their enrollment balanced and more diverse.

I meant like a high school club...which is equivalent to Girls Who Code.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

Education is a funnel.

And over the past decade or two, the funnel has been designed to funnel away boys, starting in kindergarten.

Try to find a stem enrichment opportunity explicitly for young men. You can't. There are zero.

Then look for one for young women. There are dozens upon dozens.

That is just one example among many.

You mean white/Asian men.

This is actually true. I would also be shocked if any school would encourage a group like "Men who Write" or other such groups that would reflect an imbalance of men pursuing the humanities compared to women.

At my kids’ school, the stem activities open to all (Science Olympiad, Math team, etc) are pretty much full of Asian boys.