Why aren’t males attending college?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is an engineering major and is surrounded by a sea of guys. It’s maybe 10-15% girls in most of her classes. But yeah damn those girls for taking 10-15% of the spots that should go to boys. Girls who code is clearly an awful, anti boy club. Girls should be cooking and cleaning.

My son is a humanities major and the stats for boys in those majors is less competitive than the stats for girls which likely helped him. There are more girls but no where near the gap in the engineering majors.

I'm sure your daughter earned her spot in engineering. Absolutely no one is suggesting she should be cooking and cleaning. You are diminishing her by making things about gender.

The OP’s post is claiming there is a gender imbalance favoring girls. Other posts bemoaned programs to support girls going into male dominated fields. Engineering is still 90% male dominated.

If you have a source for that being widely the case at the college level, let’s hear it. You are wrong. More than a few times in HS and college my kid found an exciting program to apply for only to learn it was intended for females or URMs. At some point they stop looking. Doesn’t matter that he had nearly perfect APs and SAT scores. You can pretend it’s not happening, but it is.

8% of mechanical engineers in industry are woman. 16% of mechanical engineering majors in 2022 were women. In my DD’s school 10% are women. There are plenty of spots for boys, 90% of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The expectation for kids to be perfect (all As, ECs curated, super scheduled days) beginning in 9th grade does not match where most boys are developmentally at age 14. Girls are ahead here. So they start off behind and it is hard to catch up.

People like this are the problem and there are now far more supports and things for girls than boys. Our boys can have all a's, EC curated, adn super scheduled days, mine do.

well good for you. Your boys are not at all typical.

Yes, they are and you know what makes a diffrence parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The expectation for kids to be perfect (all As, ECs curated, super scheduled days) beginning in 9th grade does not match where most boys are developmentally at age 14. Girls are ahead here. So they start off behind and it is hard to catch up.

People like this are the problem and there are now far more supports and things for girls than boys. Our boys can have all a's, EC curated, adn super scheduled days, mine do.

Wait, your boys are typical? Then why you here bragging sis?

well good for you. Your boys are not at all typical.

Yes, they are and you know what makes a diffrence parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The expectation for kids to be perfect (all As, ECs curated, super scheduled days) beginning in 9th grade does not match where most boys are developmentally at age 14. Girls are ahead here. So they start off behind and it is hard to catch up.

People like this are the problem and there are now far more supports and things for girls than boys. Our boys can have all a's, EC curated, adn super scheduled days, mine do.

well good for you. Your boys are not at all typical.

Yes, they are and you know what makes a diffrence parenting.

[Anonymous]

Wait, your boys are typical? Then why you here bragging sis?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter is an engineering major and is surrounded by a sea of guys. It’s maybe 10-15% girls in most of her classes. But yeah damn those girls for taking 10-15% of the spots that should go to boys. Girls who code is clearly an awful, anti boy club. Girls should be cooking and cleaning.

My son is a humanities major and the stats for boys in those majors is less competitive than the stats for girls which likely helped him. There are more girls but no where near the gap in the engineering majors.

I'm sure your daughter earned her spot in engineering. Absolutely no one is suggesting she should be cooking and cleaning. You are diminishing her by making things about gender.

The OP’s post is claiming there is a gender imbalance favoring girls. Other posts bemoaned programs to support girls going into male dominated fields. Engineering is still 90% male dominated.

If you have a source for that being widely the case at the college level, let’s hear it. You are wrong. More than a few times in HS and college my kid found an exciting program to apply for only to learn it was intended for females or URMs. At some point they stop looking. Doesn’t matter that he had nearly perfect APs and SAT scores. You can pretend it’s not happening, but it is.

8% of mechanical engineers in industry are woman. 16% of mechanical engineering majors in 2022 were women. In my DD’s school 10% are women. There are plenty of spots for boys, 90% of them.

In other words, you do not.

Reread the question. See the part about “widely the case at the college level”?

This is closer to reality:

https://womenineecs.mit.edu/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the point of going to college when they can’t get a job?
DS did his degree in microbiology. Hasn’t found a job in his field even though he applied to 100’s of positions.
The same is true with his classmates. There are those who went to grad school. The others are working minimum wage jobs that don’t require any degree.
DS is now attending a trade school to make decent money.

How is this possible? Is he trying to get a job in remote Alaska? There are so many unfilled jobs out there.

No, he has applied to jobs in DC proper, MD and Virginia. He got just a few phone calls back but no interviews. He even paid hundreds of dollars to get his resume rewritten by a so called specialist. It seems the advertised jobs are reserved for family and friends.

[Anonymous]

We sent DS to private school- small class sizes, high expectations, and a competitive cohort, all with an eye toward college and families who back that goal. It was expensive, we're not rich by most standards, but a good investment. I don't trust the public schools to educate my son and hold him to high standards--and I think it takes a village. Parents can't do everything by themselves.
My DS has ADHD, is pretty much impervious to any threats of punishment, and doesn't respond well to authority- with a headstrong personality, we could only control the environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We sent DS to private school- small class sizes, high expectations, and a competitive cohort, all with an eye toward college and families who back that goal. It was expensive, we're not rich by most standards, but a good investment. I don't trust the public schools to educate my son and hold him to high standards--and I think it takes a village. Parents can't do everything by themselves.
My DS has ADHD, is pretty much impervious to any threats of punishment, and doesn't respond well to authority- with a headstrong personality, we could only control the environment.

You are rich. Be real.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Is the issue that men are applying to college and being rejected in favor of women?

Or that men are choosing to skip college in higher numbers resulting in fewer men in the applicant pool and thus fewer men in college?

Also, to answer this question you have to look outside the "top" schools -- most kids don't go to top schools. Saying "oh it's too hard for boys and the way they develop to get the perfect grades and ECs you need to get into Harvard so they just aren't going" makes no sense because it's hard for girls to get those things too and girls are still choosing to go to college in very high numbers. What is the gender breakdown at less competitive state schools? Community colleges?

[Anonymous]

Some of the responses on this thread are crazy!!! “Oh these poor men”?

The reason they are not going is because college has gotten so expensive and they don’t have to go. White men have more options for job and don’t need the credentials women or URM need to be able to get a decent job.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/

[Anonymous]

The average man can get a lot farther than the average women without going to college.

There are A lot of high paying careers and trades attracting more Men that don’t even require a college degree. The non-college careers and trades that attract more women pays lot less.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is an engineering major and is surrounded by a sea of guys. It’s maybe 10-15% girls in most of her classes. But yeah damn those girls for taking 10-15% of the spots that should go to boys. Girls who code is clearly an awful, anti boy club. Girls should be cooking and cleaning.

My son is a humanities major and the stats for boys in those majors is less competitive than the stats for girls which likely helped him. There are more girls but no where near the gap in the engineering majors.

I'm sure your daughter earned her spot in engineering. Absolutely no one is suggesting she should be cooking and cleaning. You are diminishing her by making things about gender.

They absolutely are. Look on the previous page. Referencing the "less qualified " "low stats" poster. Their allegations are ridiculous and false. But, this just betrays the attitude that women are somehow less than and encouraging their involvement is somehow denying boys and ability to go to college. This is nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The average man can get a lot farther than the average women without going to college.

How come? Can you name any non-college careers open to men but closed to women?