Why aren’t males attending college?

[Anonymous]

Mine chose trade school. He loves learning but can't stand the thought of sitting in endless classrooms for more years.

He's doing well and all his friends are college students. Including men.
We're both academics so go figure.

He does vote democrat, though. He's working in green energy so I don't know how that will play out over the next years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Losers

They want to be a stay at home parent like you. Your daughter can support them.

Wow, page one and some troll found a way to make this about their personal animosity towards people who choose not to work. Get a life.

[Anonymous]

Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

Education is a funnel.

And over the past decade or two, the funnel has been designed to funnel away boys, starting in kindergarten.

Try to find a stem enrichment opportunity explicitly for young men. You can't. There are zero.

Then look for one for young women. There are dozens upon dozens.

That is just one example among many.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The expectation for kids to be perfect (all As, ECs curated, super scheduled days) beginning in 9th grade does not match where most boys are developmentally at age 14. Girls are ahead here. So they start off behind and it is hard to catch up.

People like this are the problem and there are now far more supports and things for girls than boys. Our boys can have all a's, EC curated, adn super scheduled days, mine do.

well good for you. Your boys are not at all typical.

+1 PP is committing the fallacy of exception. And probably has money too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mine chose trade school. He loves learning but can't stand the thought of sitting in endless classrooms for more years.

He's doing well and all his friends are college students. Including men.
We're both academics so go figure.

He does vote democrat, though. He's working in green energy so I don't know how that will play out over the next years.

That’s great!
I’m sure he will be in a goid place to rise to the top in a few years when this nonsense blows over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

You can't be serious. You are completely and intentionally missing the issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The expectation for kids to be perfect (all As, ECs curated, super scheduled days) beginning in 9th grade does not match where most boys are developmentally at age 14. Girls are ahead here. So they start off behind and it is hard to catch up.

this is a very real factor. teacher of Gifted&Talented...the intelligence is the same, the organizational skills of females are 1.5-2 yrs ahead. Males are not as supported in our educational system. In GT with smaller groupings we can do a lot of creative out of box thinking and cater to both types of minds. Colleagues in private schools report the same. All-male schools often have a lot of success with boys. Most public schools cannot individualize this. I am a female teacher. Most of my colleagues are. Many of us have raised sons and daughters in addition to teaching them; Boys need more support. Giving Boys more support does not mean giving girls less: keep the women in stem and all the important stuff added over the years to help girls; add support specifically for the ways boys learn, and ways to encourage college and make it an obvious attainable choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mine chose trade school. He loves learning but can't stand the thought of sitting in endless classrooms for more years.

He's doing well and all his friends are college students. Including men.
We're both academics so go figure.

He does vote democrat, though. He's working in green energy so I don't know how that will play out over the next years.

That’s great!
I’m sure he will be in a goid place to rise to the top in a few years when this nonsense blows over.

I admire your optimism. I have none at this point and I am trying really had to not pass on this doubt to DS - and other people his age. We gotta stay positive -

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

In our public universities, only 60% of men manage to graduate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are busy voting for maga perhaps?

I was gonna say that!

And that's part of the problem. People assume boys are trash. You're not getting boys into good colleges with that kind of mothering.

I'm happy with CS at UMD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.

Education is a funnel.

And over the past decade or two, the funnel has been designed to funnel away boys, starting in kindergarten.

Try to find a stem enrichment opportunity explicitly for young men. You can't. There are zero.

Then look for one for young women. There are dozens upon dozens.

That is just one example among many.

I wholeheartedly agree, and it needs to change. So many moms of boys agree--we see this!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the point of going to college when they can’t get a job?
DS did his degree in microbiology. Hasn’t found a job in his field even though he applied to 100’s of positions.
The same is true with his classmates. There are those who went to grad school. The others are working minimum wage jobs that don’t require any degree.
DS is now attending a trade school to make decent money.

How is this possible? Is he trying to get a job in remote Alaska? There are so many unfilled jobs out there.

Np. Wrong. I am a dem with no political motivation to post. My kid who graduated with excellent grades from a top public university has gotten very few interviews. We have hired resume/interview coaches. Kid has friends from all the local universities in the same boat. Stem majors/engineers who are not getting jobs. Most are going back for grad school. The only kids we see getting jobs are the Indian kids who are able to say they have experience because they say on their resume they worked for a company that it non existent or a family member's small consulting company where they may or may not have worked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Test Optional admissions.

Trend will reverse as standardized tests come back.

This.

Also the college board revamping the scoring to significantly favor woman by weighting the language portion double compared to the math portion.

This was done explicity to create this result, to increase the number of women in collge above the number of men in college.

What does this mean exactly?

The college board changed scoring a while back from weighing math and verbal equally, to weighing verbal as 2/3 of the SAT score.

This was done to explicity close the gender gap in SAT scores, ie elevate young women over young men.

Prior to this, when math and verbal were weighted 50/50, young men significantly overperformed young women on the SAT. (As a group, not necessarily individually)

This change would have affected young men applying to college over the past decade or so.

You are referring to the period between 2009 and 2015 when the SAT composite score was out of 2400. The test changed back to half math/half verbal in 2016. All current college students who took the SAT would have done so after 2016.

(The National Merit Scholarship Program is still based on a selection index that is 2/3 verbal, 1/3 math.)

I agree (with whichever PPs) that test optional admission policies and the associated drive to weigh GPA more heavily is a major source of the current gender imbalance at top colleges. Males, on average, have lower GPAs than females, as AOs know well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Losers

They want to be a stay at home parent like you. Your daughter can support them.

Women created this problem. So much girl focus since “bring your daughters to work”, girls on the run, girls in STEM blah blah. Laura Bush is the only one that tried to invest in young boys with reading initiatives aimed at them. Feminization of the American education system happened. It did nor speak to boys developmental differences and needs early on.

There’s some truth in this. DD is college freshman - one of 12 females in STEM major.