Impact on schools with expanding housing options in single family zones

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry any real input to change anything?

No. Our politicians want to urbanize Montgomery County so that it looks more like DC and Baltimore.

Good luck fighting that when it’s what voters want.

If that's what the voters want, they should have no trouble demonstrating it with a ballot referendum.

Far more likely is the messy calculus of representative politics. Folks get elected by the majority (or just a large plurality in some cases, as effectively happens with some of our at large councilmembers, given their effective election in this blue county by rank in the primary) on their overall profile, but they don't always represent the majority interest on every issue.

Should we bring back redlining, too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody interested in actual data on this?

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/FY25-Annual-School-Test-School-Utilization-Report_6-20-24_Final.pdf

"At the elementary school level, countywide enrollment already peaked in 2017, and saw a sudden decline during and after the pandemic. While enrollment is slowly starting to pick up again, projections indicate that it will not be returning to the pre-pandemic peak level in the foreseeable future. At the end of the six-year CIP cycle, there is projected to be more than 6,600 surplus seats available across all elementary schools in the county."

"At the middle school level, the total capacity across all schools has been sufficient for the countywide enrollment over the past 15 years. Countywide projections indicate that the enrollment, which had been declining since the pandemic, will return to its pre-pandemic peak level at the end of the six-year CIP cycle, but there will be more than 2,400 surplus seats available collectively nonetheless (see Figure 3). "

"The county experienced strong enrollment growth at the high school level over the past decade, but the latest projections indicate that that growth will start tapering off in the next few years. Once the capital projects at Crown, Northwood, and Woodward high schools are complete in 2027, there is projected to be a surplus of over 2,800 seats countywide, despite the delay of the proposed projects at Damascus, Magruder, and Wootton High Schools (see Figure 1). "

That's across the system. There is and will still be plenty of overcrowding at individual schools, especially in the close-in areas they are targeting. Meanwhile:

Those same areas don't have great candidate sites for additional facilities, especially where it wouldn't strip the area of other infrastructure/public services, like parks (also over-subscribed for things like sports and often under-maintained).

Many schools in those areas deal with long-term portables.

The county doesn't properly fund the CIP request, pretty much ever, so things just get pushed out / get worse.

MCPS doesn't even bother to put a request/plan in front of the County Council that would fully address the issue / ensure adequacy -- only the most desperate situations (perhaps with a sprinkling of favored projects) end up included.

I'd be interested in actual data, but Planning has no interest in those inconvenient truths as they try to gloss over the issues in their pursuit of densifying detached SFH neighborhoods.

Agree completely about how the Planning Board is agreeing the inconvenient truth about infrastructure, like parking and schools. It's also rather infuriating that Kensington, Takoma Park, and Chevy Chase have been carved out of this. Which is where a lot of the Council members live.

Here is a petition to sign to make your voice heard: https://www.change.org/p/protect-single-family-zoning-in-montgomery-county?signed=true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody interested in actual data on this?

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/FY25-Annual-School-Test-School-Utilization-Report_6-20-24_Final.pdf

"At the elementary school level, countywide enrollment already peaked in 2017, and saw a sudden decline during and after the pandemic. While enrollment is slowly starting to pick up again, projections indicate that it will not be returning to the pre-pandemic peak level in the foreseeable future. At the end of the six-year CIP cycle, there is projected to be more than 6,600 surplus seats available across all elementary schools in the county."

"At the middle school level, the total capacity across all schools has been sufficient for the countywide enrollment over the past 15 years. Countywide projections indicate that the enrollment, which had been declining since the pandemic, will return to its pre-pandemic peak level at the end of the six-year CIP cycle, but there will be more than 2,400 surplus seats available collectively nonetheless (see Figure 3). "

"The county experienced strong enrollment growth at the high school level over the past decade, but the latest projections indicate that that growth will start tapering off in the next few years. Once the capital projects at Crown, Northwood, and Woodward high schools are complete in 2027, there is projected to be a surplus of over 2,800 seats countywide, despite the delay of the proposed projects at Damascus, Magruder, and Wootton High Schools (see Figure 1). "

That's across the system. There is and will still be plenty of overcrowding at individual schools, especially in the close-in areas they are targeting. Meanwhile:

Those same areas don't have great candidate sites for additional facilities, especially where it wouldn't strip the area of other infrastructure/public services, like parks (also over-subscribed for things like sports and often under-maintained).

Many schools in those areas deal with long-term portables.

The county doesn't properly fund the CIP request, pretty much ever, so things just get pushed out / get worse.

MCPS doesn't even bother to put a request/plan in front of the County Council that would fully address the issue / ensure adequacy -- only the most desperate situations (perhaps with a sprinkling of favored projects) end up included.

I'd be interested in actual data, but Planning has no interest in those inconvenient truths as they try to gloss over the issues in their pursuit of densifying detached SFH neighborhoods.

Agree completely about how the Planning Board is agreeing the inconvenient truth about infrastructure, like parking and schools. It's also rather infuriating that Kensington, Takoma Park, and Chevy Chase have been carved out of this. Which is where a lot of the Council members live.

Here is a petition to sign to make your voice heard: https://www.change.org/p/protect-single-family-zoning-in-montgomery-county?signed=true

Thanks for posting. It’s frustrating.

Why do the politicians want to decimate our middle class neighborhoods?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody interested in actual data on this?

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/FY25-Annual-School-Test-School-Utilization-Report_6-20-24_Final.pdf

"At the elementary school level, countywide enrollment already peaked in 2017, and saw a sudden decline during and after the pandemic. While enrollment is slowly starting to pick up again, projections indicate that it will not be returning to the pre-pandemic peak level in the foreseeable future. At the end of the six-year CIP cycle, there is projected to be more than 6,600 surplus seats available across all elementary schools in the county."

"At the middle school level, the total capacity across all schools has been sufficient for the countywide enrollment over the past 15 years. Countywide projections indicate that the enrollment, which had been declining since the pandemic, will return to its pre-pandemic peak level at the end of the six-year CIP cycle, but there will be more than 2,400 surplus seats available collectively nonetheless (see Figure 3). "

"The county experienced strong enrollment growth at the high school level over the past decade, but the latest projections indicate that that growth will start tapering off in the next few years. Once the capital projects at Crown, Northwood, and Woodward high schools are complete in 2027, there is projected to be a surplus of over 2,800 seats countywide, despite the delay of the proposed projects at Damascus, Magruder, and Wootton High Schools (see Figure 1). "

That's across the system. There is and will still be plenty of overcrowding at individual schools, especially in the close-in areas they are targeting. Meanwhile:

Those same areas don't have great candidate sites for additional facilities, especially where it wouldn't strip the area of other infrastructure/public services, like parks (also over-subscribed for things like sports and often under-maintained).

Many schools in those areas deal with long-term portables.

The county doesn't properly fund the CIP request, pretty much ever, so things just get pushed out / get worse.

MCPS doesn't even bother to put a request/plan in front of the County Council that would fully address the issue / ensure adequacy -- only the most desperate situations (perhaps with a sprinkling of favored projects) end up included.

I'd be interested in actual data, but Planning has no interest in those inconvenient truths as they try to gloss over the issues in their pursuit of densifying detached SFH neighborhoods.

This has really come up this season with my kids’ sports teams. Not enough field availability at all.

Are developers going to plan for additional field space along to serve all the new residents?

Why the push to destroy neighborhoods with single family homes, when that is still what many people want? Not everyone wants to live in an apartment/condo/townhouse. And for those who do, there are plenty of options in MoCo or in DC.

SFHs are already in short supply. Why push to get rid of them?

[Anonymous]

https://www.change.org/p/protect-single-family-zoning-in-montgomery-county?signed=true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody interested in actual data on this?

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/FY25-Annual-School-Test-School-Utilization-Report_6-20-24_Final.pdf

"At the elementary school level, countywide enrollment already peaked in 2017, and saw a sudden decline during and after the pandemic. While enrollment is slowly starting to pick up again, projections indicate that it will not be returning to the pre-pandemic peak level in the foreseeable future. At the end of the six-year CIP cycle, there is projected to be more than 6,600 surplus seats available across all elementary schools in the county."

"At the middle school level, the total capacity across all schools has been sufficient for the countywide enrollment over the past 15 years. Countywide projections indicate that the enrollment, which had been declining since the pandemic, will return to its pre-pandemic peak level at the end of the six-year CIP cycle, but there will be more than 2,400 surplus seats available collectively nonetheless (see Figure 3). "

"The county experienced strong enrollment growth at the high school level over the past decade, but the latest projections indicate that that growth will start tapering off in the next few years. Once the capital projects at Crown, Northwood, and Woodward high schools are complete in 2027, there is projected to be a surplus of over 2,800 seats countywide, despite the delay of the proposed projects at Damascus, Magruder, and Wootton High Schools (see Figure 1). "

That's across the system. There is and will still be plenty of overcrowding at individual schools, especially in the close-in areas they are targeting. Meanwhile:

Those same areas don't have great candidate sites for additional facilities, especially where it wouldn't strip the area of other infrastructure/public services, like parks (also over-subscribed for things like sports and often under-maintained).

Many schools in those areas deal with long-term portables.

The county doesn't properly fund the CIP request, pretty much ever, so things just get pushed out / get worse.

MCPS doesn't even bother to put a request/plan in front of the County Council that would fully address the issue / ensure adequacy -- only the most desperate situations (perhaps with a sprinkling of favored projects) end up included.

I'd be interested in actual data, but Planning has no interest in those inconvenient truths as they try to gloss over the issues in their pursuit of densifying detached SFH neighborhoods.

This has really come up this season with my kids’ sports teams. Not enough field availability at all.

Are developers going to plan for additional field space along to serve all the new residents?

Why the push to destroy neighborhoods with single family homes, when that is still what many people want? Not everyone wants to live in an apartment/condo/townhouse. And for those who do, there are plenty of options in MoCo or in DC.

SFHs are already in short supply. Why push to get rid of them?

They. Do. Not. Care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody interested in actual data on this?

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/FY25-Annual-School-Test-School-Utilization-Report_6-20-24_Final.pdf

"At the elementary school level, countywide enrollment already peaked in 2017, and saw a sudden decline during and after the pandemic. While enrollment is slowly starting to pick up again, projections indicate that it will not be returning to the pre-pandemic peak level in the foreseeable future. At the end of the six-year CIP cycle, there is projected to be more than 6,600 surplus seats available across all elementary schools in the county."

"At the middle school level, the total capacity across all schools has been sufficient for the countywide enrollment over the past 15 years. Countywide projections indicate that the enrollment, which had been declining since the pandemic, will return to its pre-pandemic peak level at the end of the six-year CIP cycle, but there will be more than 2,400 surplus seats available collectively nonetheless (see Figure 3). "

"The county experienced strong enrollment growth at the high school level over the past decade, but the latest projections indicate that that growth will start tapering off in the next few years. Once the capital projects at Crown, Northwood, and Woodward high schools are complete in 2027, there is projected to be a surplus of over 2,800 seats countywide, despite the delay of the proposed projects at Damascus, Magruder, and Wootton High Schools (see Figure 1). "

That's across the system. There is and will still be plenty of overcrowding at individual schools, especially in the close-in areas they are targeting. Meanwhile:

Those same areas don't have great candidate sites for additional facilities, especially where it wouldn't strip the area of other infrastructure/public services, like parks (also over-subscribed for things like sports and often under-maintained).

Many schools in those areas deal with long-term portables.

The county doesn't properly fund the CIP request, pretty much ever, so things just get pushed out / get worse.

MCPS doesn't even bother to put a request/plan in front of the County Council that would fully address the issue / ensure adequacy -- only the most desperate situations (perhaps with a sprinkling of favored projects) end up included.

I'd be interested in actual data, but Planning has no interest in those inconvenient truths as they try to gloss over the issues in their pursuit of densifying detached SFH neighborhoods.

This has really come up this season with my kids’ sports teams. Not enough field availability at all.

Are developers going to plan for additional field space along to serve all the new residents?

Why the push to destroy neighborhoods with single family homes, when that is still what many people want? Not everyone wants to live in an apartment/condo/townhouse. And for those who do, there are plenty of options in MoCo or in DC.

SFHs are already in short supply. Why push to get rid of them?

They. Do. Not. Care.

Sadly, I agree. They want to add more housing along the transportation cooridors. There's a boundary study to accomodate existing growth, who knows what will happen with that. Itakes years and hard work to ensure we get resources for increased capacity. And the Council has been known to claw back $ promised for expanding/increasing capacity. Many schools in the DCC are already bursting at the seams. Blair has kids in trailers. Essentially, it appears that the right hand is not talking to the left hand and Attainable Housing Initiative will blithely build more housing without building/expanding schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody interested in actual data on this?

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/FY25-Annual-School-Test-School-Utilization-Report_6-20-24_Final.pdf

"At the elementary school level, countywide enrollment already peaked in 2017, and saw a sudden decline during and after the pandemic. While enrollment is slowly starting to pick up again, projections indicate that it will not be returning to the pre-pandemic peak level in the foreseeable future. At the end of the six-year CIP cycle, there is projected to be more than 6,600 surplus seats available across all elementary schools in the county."

"At the middle school level, the total capacity across all schools has been sufficient for the countywide enrollment over the past 15 years. Countywide projections indicate that the enrollment, which had been declining since the pandemic, will return to its pre-pandemic peak level at the end of the six-year CIP cycle, but there will be more than 2,400 surplus seats available collectively nonetheless (see Figure 3). "

"The county experienced strong enrollment growth at the high school level over the past decade, but the latest projections indicate that that growth will start tapering off in the next few years. Once the capital projects at Crown, Northwood, and Woodward high schools are complete in 2027, there is projected to be a surplus of over 2,800 seats countywide, despite the delay of the proposed projects at Damascus, Magruder, and Wootton High Schools (see Figure 1). "

That's across the system. There is and will still be plenty of overcrowding at individual schools, especially in the close-in areas they are targeting. Meanwhile:

Those same areas don't have great candidate sites for additional facilities, especially where it wouldn't strip the area of other infrastructure/public services, like parks (also over-subscribed for things like sports and often under-maintained).

Many schools in those areas deal with long-term portables.

The county doesn't properly fund the CIP request, pretty much ever, so things just get pushed out / get worse.

MCPS doesn't even bother to put a request/plan in front of the County Council that would fully address the issue / ensure adequacy -- only the most desperate situations (perhaps with a sprinkling of favored projects) end up included.

I'd be interested in actual data, but Planning has no interest in those inconvenient truths as they try to gloss over the issues in their pursuit of densifying detached SFH neighborhoods.

This has really come up this season with my kids’ sports teams. Not enough field availability at all.

Are developers going to plan for additional field space along to serve all the new residents?

Why the push to destroy neighborhoods with single family homes, when that is still what many people want? Not everyone wants to live in an apartment/condo/townhouse. And for those who do, there are plenty of options in MoCo or in DC.

SFHs are already in short supply. Why push to get rid of them?

They. Do. Not. Care.

Sadly, I agree. They want to add more housing along the transportation cooridors. There's a boundary study to accomodate existing growth, who knows what will happen with that. Itakes years and hard work to ensure we get resources for increased capacity. And the Council has been known to claw back $ promised for expanding/increasing capacity. Many schools in the DCC are already bursting at the seams. Blair has kids in trailers. Essentially, it appears that the right hand is not talking to the left hand and Attainable Housing Initiative will blithely build more housing without building/expanding schools.

That's why they are building Woodward and expanding Northwood.

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