Impact on schools with expanding housing options in single family zones

[Anonymous]

Until last year I worked admin positions at Silver Spring (DCC) schools for a couple of decades. I started even before the DCC was created, so I saw the changes occur in real time.

we found so many families using the same address it was laughable. 6 families in a 1200 square foot home? The pupil personnel worker would report it and nothing was ever, ever done. No enforcement. There were hundreds of incidences over the years. The owner of the house would charge people money to use the address. In reality there were only 3 families living there with all their work trucks, cars, and overflowing trash cans. Parking was nonexistent.

And now all this is going to be legal? I cannot wait for it to happen to Bethesda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? I live in Silver Spring and, no, there are not multiple families living in the same house...but you go on with your racists tropes.

Don’t embarrass yourself. Silver Spring is huge. Just because your immediate neighborhood isn’t like this doesn’t make you qualified to opine on every other area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? I live in Silver Spring and, no, there are not multiple families living in the same house...but you go on with your racists tropes.

You live in Woodside? North Takoma? You are protected by your wealth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Until last year I worked admin positions at Silver Spring (DCC) schools for a couple of decades. I started even before the DCC was created, so I saw the changes occur in real time.

we found so many families using the same address it was laughable. 6 families in a 1200 square foot home? The pupil personnel worker would report it and nothing was ever, ever done. No enforcement. There were hundreds of incidences over the years. The owner of the house would charge people money to use the address. In reality there were only 3 families living there with all their work trucks, cars, and overflowing trash cans. Parking was nonexistent.

And now all this is going to be legal? I cannot wait for it to happen to Bethesda.

This. ☝️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Until last year I worked admin positions at Silver Spring (DCC) schools for a couple of decades. I started even before the DCC was created, so I saw the changes occur in real time.

we found so many families using the same address it was laughable. 6 families in a 1200 square foot home? The pupil personnel worker would report it and nothing was ever, ever done. No enforcement. There were hundreds of incidences over the years. The owner of the house would charge people money to use the address. In reality there were only 3 families living there with all their work trucks, cars, and overflowing trash cans. Parking was nonexistent.

And now all this is going to be legal? I cannot wait for it to happen to Bethesda.

Add to that the mattresses thrown out throughout the neighborhood.

We used to live there too. Got out in 2014. So sad to drive mound there now.

And politicians are pushing for this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Until last year I worked admin positions at Silver Spring (DCC) schools for a couple of decades. I started even before the DCC was created, so I saw the changes occur in real time.

we found so many families using the same address it was laughable. 6 families in a 1200 square foot home? The pupil personnel worker would report it and nothing was ever, ever done. No enforcement. There were hundreds of incidences over the years. The owner of the house would charge people money to use the address. In reality there were only 3 families living there with all their work trucks, cars, and overflowing trash cans. Parking was nonexistent.

And now all this is going to be legal?[/b] I cannot wait for it to happen to Bethesda.[b]

It won’t happen in wealthy Bethesda neighborhoods. That’s just reality.

It happens in solidly middle class neighborhoods or in lower-income neighborhoods.

It’s not legal now, but if the County cracked down on it, it would disproportionately negatively affect undocumented families, and that would not be politically acceptable.

I guess they should just go ahead and make it legal. That seems to be what voters want

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you not following DMV metro politics:
By a poster on the forum

https://montgomerycountym..._id=183002

"Andrew Friedson is sponsoring a bill that would use state school construction money to reduce tax rates for housing developers. In the bill, the impact tax owed by developers would be reduced by the amount of state aid that went toward school construction in previous years, meaning that the county would be using state aid to reduce taxes paid by developers instead of using it to build schools.

This tax cut would come on the heels of tax cuts in 2020 and 2023, which Friedson also strongly supported. The previous tax cuts contributed to falling impact tax revenue and shortfalls in the MCPS construction budget that forced cuts to the Woodward project and delays in renovations at Damascus and Magruder.

The latest proposal has strong support from land use attorneys who have been among Friedson’s biggest donors. Previous tax cut proposals favoring developers have passed the council unanimously or nearly unanimously even though Planning has failed to demonstrate that they were effective in causing housing prices to fall or construction to increase.

So much for prioritizing education.

You can read the bill here (Sec. 52-55(d)(3)):

https://montgomerycountym..._id=183002"

Impact taxes are dumb. Make a progressive property tax, raising rates on homes worth over $1M.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? I live in Silver Spring and, no, there are not multiple families living in the same house...but you go on with your racists tropes.

Silver Spring is huge - it can be true in some places and it in others.

I don’t blame the tenants - they are lovely neighbors and everyone deserves a place to live and send their ids to school. And I love our school and am happy to have them as fellow students and friends for my kids! But illegal rentals aren’t safe and cause overcrowded classrooms, so enforcing the rules isn’t racist. Asking for more affordable housing (so people don’t have to turn to illegal rentals) isn’t racist. It’s sound policy.

Sounds like we need a lot more housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More overcrowding.

I live in Silver Spring. We used to live in a solidly middle-class neighborhood with single family housing.

Many (not the majority yet) of the single family houses in our neighborhood have been purchased by landlords, who then rent them out to multiple families, or turn them into boarding houses.

So, in a house where we may have had 2-3 kids attending the local ES, we now have 5-6. It's pretty much doubled the number of kids. The class sizes at our middle school just continue to increase.

Teachers are frustrated and our kids are suffering.

Houses should come with school documents/vouchers/attendance ability—I don’t know what to call it. Base it on county housing guidelines. Each bedroom can theoretically hold 2 kids. So a 4 bedroom house would get 6 school coupons. When the house is rented out, the landlord has those coupons to give out. Or if the housing was built thinking that only 3 kids would live in a 4 bed house, then allocate 3 school coupons.

So potentially, some kids just don't get to go to school?

You're an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? I live in Silver Spring and, no, there are not multiple families living in the same house...but you go on with your racists tropes.

Silver Spring is huge - it can be true in some places and it in others.

I don’t blame the tenants - they are lovely neighbors and everyone deserves a place to live and send their ids to school. And I love our school and am happy to have them as fellow students and friends for my kids! But illegal rentals aren’t safe and cause overcrowded classrooms, so enforcing the rules isn’t racist. Asking for more affordable housing (so people don’t have to turn to illegal rentals) isn’t racist. It’s sound policy.

Sounds like we need a lot more housing.

Maybe. And maybe we should actually enforce our laws so that these illegal rentals are not as ubiquitous. They’re not safe. Remember the story from DC where multiple immigrants died when a fire broke out in an illegal boarding house?

Why do you think this is okay?

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-argues-its-not-responsible-for-deadly-kennedy-street-fire-that-killed-ethiopian-immigrants/65-782e7579-60f4-45e9-878e-7a7c973447f8

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More overcrowding.

I live in Silver Spring. We used to live in a solidly middle-class neighborhood with single family housing.

Many (not the majority yet) of the single family houses in our neighborhood have been purchased by landlords, who then rent them out to multiple families, or turn them into boarding houses.

So, in a house where we may have had 2-3 kids attending the local ES, we now have 5-6. It's pretty much doubled the number of kids. The class sizes at our middle school just continue to increase.

Teachers are frustrated and our kids are suffering.

Houses should come with school documents/vouchers/attendance ability—I don’t know what to call it. Base it on county housing guidelines. Each bedroom can theoretically hold 2 kids. So a 4 bedroom house would get 6 school coupons. When the house is rented out, the landlord has those coupons to give out. Or if the housing was built thinking that only 3 kids would live in a 4 bed house, then allocate 3 school coupons.

So potentially, some kids just don't get to go to school?

You're an idiot.

It’s idiotic to let developers build more and more housing when we don’t have enough schools to support large numbers of additional children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Until last year I worked admin positions at Silver Spring (DCC) schools for a couple of decades. I started even before the DCC was created, so I saw the changes occur in real time.

we found so many families using the same address it was laughable. 6 families in a 1200 square foot home? The pupil personnel worker would report it and nothing was ever, ever done. No enforcement. There were hundreds of incidences over the years. The owner of the house would charge people money to use the address. In reality there were only 3 families living there with all their work trucks, cars, and overflowing trash cans. Parking was nonexistent.

And now all this is going to be legal? I cannot wait for it to happen to Bethesda.

First, that kind of sentiment marks you as petty.

Second, hahahahahahaha. Houses in our neighborhood start at around $800k and go to $3m or so. They rent for at least $5k/month, and go up from there. And we're not close to the wealthiest neighborhood in Bethesda. No one is buying a place here and turning it into a multi-family rental. And any older house that might possibly sell for little enough where this would work is immediately snapped up by builders and either refurbished or demolished for a new build (which is its own issue, but not relevant here). It's just not happening here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More overcrowding.

I live in Silver Spring. We used to live in a solidly middle-class neighborhood with single family housing.

Many (not the majority yet) of the single family houses in our neighborhood have been purchased by landlords, who then rent them out to multiple families, or turn them into boarding houses.

So, in a house where we may have had 2-3 kids attending the local ES, we now have 5-6. It's pretty much doubled the number of kids. The class sizes at our middle school just continue to increase.

Teachers are frustrated and our kids are suffering.

Houses should come with school documents/vouchers/attendance ability—I don’t know what to call it. Base it on county housing guidelines. Each bedroom can theoretically hold 2 kids. So a 4 bedroom house would get 6 school coupons. When the house is rented out, the landlord has those coupons to give out. Or if the housing was built thinking that only 3 kids would live in a 4 bed house, then allocate 3 school coupons.

So potentially, some kids just don't get to go to school?

You're an idiot.

It’s idiotic to let developers build more and more housing when we don’t have enough schools to support large numbers of additional children.

If that's the case, then you limit the housing, not propose a system where some kids aren't allowed to attend public school. Again, you're an idiot.

[Anonymous]

It'll be great that kids can make more mixed-income friends! More people also translates to more local taxes being paid, so the MCPS budget will increase to add renovations to existing schools. I think it's great that Montgomery County is taking real steps to end economic segregation of neighborhoods, which also sadly contributed to racial segregation going on in certain neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? I live in Silver Spring and, no, there are not multiple families living in the same house...but you go on with your racists tropes.

Silver Spring is huge - it can be true in some places and it in others.

I don’t blame the tenants - they are lovely neighbors and everyone deserves a place to live and send their ids to school. And I love our school and am happy to have them as fellow students and friends for my kids! But illegal rentals aren’t safe and cause overcrowded classrooms, so enforcing the rules isn’t racist. Asking for more affordable housing (so people don’t have to turn to illegal rentals) isn’t racist. It’s sound policy.

Sounds like we need a lot more housing.

Maybe. And maybe we should actually enforce our laws so that these illegal rentals are not as ubiquitous. They’re not safe. Remember the story from DC where multiple immigrants died when a fire broke out in an illegal boarding house?

Why do you think this is okay?

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-argues-its-not-responsible-for-deadly-kennedy-street-fire-that-killed-ethiopian-immigrants/65-782e7579-60f4-45e9-878e-7a7c973447f8

Are you under the impression these situations are those families' preferred housing situations? People have to live somewhere.