Impact on schools with expanding housing options in single family zones

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More overcrowding.

I live in Silver Spring. We used to live in a solidly middle-class neighborhood with single family housing.

Many (not the majority yet) of the single family houses in our neighborhood have been purchased by landlords, who then rent them out to multiple families, or turn them into boarding houses.

So, in a house where we may have had 2-3 kids attending the local ES, we now have 5-6. It's pretty much doubled the number of kids. The class sizes at our middle school just continue to increase.

Teachers are frustrated and our kids are suffering.

Houses should come with school documents/vouchers/attendance ability—I don’t know what to call it. Base it on county housing guidelines. Each bedroom can theoretically hold 2 kids. So a 4 bedroom house would get 6 school coupons. When the house is rented out, the landlord has those coupons to give out. Or if the housing was built thinking that only 3 kids would live in a 4 bed house, then allocate 3 school coupons.

There is so much residence fraud in Montgomery County that this would be futile. MCPS allows for a 'shared housing' form, which results in people living in one cluster and attending school in another just because they think it's 'better'. It's pretty much impossible to enforce housing requirements to attend school. Public schools are required to educate ALL students, even if they don't have a home address. What happens to the kids who don't have 'school coupons' in our scenario? They have to go to school somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can I ask what neighborhood/s in ss? Or the school pyramid at least? Curious silver spring resident over here.

Sargent Shriver/Loiderman/Wheaton HS for one. I used to live within walking distance to all 3 schools and saw the changes over 20 years from 2004-2024.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More overcrowding.

I live in Silver Spring. We used to live in a solidly middle-class neighborhood with single family housing.

Many (not the majority yet) of the single family houses in our neighborhood have been purchased by landlords, who then rent them out to multiple families, or turn them into boarding houses.

So, in a house where we may have had 2-3 kids attending the local ES, we now have 5-6. It's pretty much doubled the number of kids. The class sizes at our middle school just continue to increase.

Teachers are frustrated and our kids are suffering.

Houses should come with school documents/vouchers/attendance ability—I don’t know what to call it. Base it on county housing guidelines. Each bedroom can theoretically hold 2 kids. So a 4 bedroom house would get 6 school coupons. When the house is rented out, the landlord has those coupons to give out. Or if the housing was built thinking that only 3 kids would live in a 4 bed house, then allocate 3 school coupons.

That's a terrible idea. Just build more schools.

Where? The county is allowing developers to build high density housing on every spot of available land.

And, with what money will we build more schools? The county is basically letting developers off the hook. I guess taxpayers can cough up even more money to build more schools, while landlords and developers laugh all the way to the bank.

Where do you think the money comes from for impact taxes?

[Anonymous]

Are there plans to build more schools? Not the Crown and Woodward ones already in play. Additional new ones?

[Anonymous]

What are you talking about? I live in Silver Spring and, no, there are not multiple families living in the same house...but you go on with your racists tropes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? I live in Silver Spring and, no, there are not multiple families living in the same house...but you go on with your racists tropes.

Silver Spring is huge - it can be true in some places and it in others.

I don’t blame the tenants - they are lovely neighbors and everyone deserves a place to live and send their ids to school. And I love our school and am happy to have them as fellow students and friends for my kids! But illegal rentals aren’t safe and cause overcrowded classrooms, so enforcing the rules isn’t racist. Asking for more affordable housing (so people don’t have to turn to illegal rentals) isn’t racist. It’s sound policy.

[Anonymous]

For those of you not following DMV metro politics:
By a poster on the forum

https://montgomerycountym..._id=183002

"Andrew Friedson is sponsoring a bill that would use state school construction money to reduce tax rates for housing developers. In the bill, the impact tax owed by developers would be reduced by the amount of state aid that went toward school construction in previous years, meaning that the county would be using state aid to reduce taxes paid by developers instead of using it to build schools.

This tax cut would come on the heels of tax cuts in 2020 and 2023, which Friedson also strongly supported. The previous tax cuts contributed to falling impact tax revenue and shortfalls in the MCPS construction budget that forced cuts to the Woodward project and delays in renovations at Damascus and Magruder.

The latest proposal has strong support from land use attorneys who have been among Friedson’s biggest donors. Previous tax cut proposals favoring developers have passed the council unanimously or nearly unanimously even though Planning has failed to demonstrate that they were effective in causing housing prices to fall or construction to increase.

So much for prioritizing education.

You can read the bill here (Sec. 52-55(d)(3)):

https://montgomerycountym..._id=183002"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there plans to build more schools? Not the Crown and Woodward ones already in play. Additional new ones?

They've also proposed a new BCC/WJ elementary school, location and timeline still TBD.

[Anonymous]

My family lived in Wheaton/Silver Spring for generations. We finally had to move due to this issue. My beloved former neighborhood has now become Central America.

It is spreading widely and fast. Time to start building multi-family on those single-family lots in Bethesda and Potomac.

Cram 'em in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? I live in Silver Spring and, no, there are not multiple families living in the same house...but you go on with your racists tropes.

Who brought race into this? Why are you assuming that the people are a certain race? You are the one who sounds racist.

I live in a neighborhood with these types of houses and it’s actually people of different races who do this - some are Asian (some own the house, so it’s not an illegal rental), some are Jewish, some are Latin American (those are often owned by a landlord).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My family lived in Wheaton/Silver Spring for generations. We finally had to move due to this issue. My beloved former neighborhood has now become Central America.

It is spreading widely and fast. Time to start building multi-family on those single-family lots in Bethesda and Potomac.

Cram 'em in.

Once it happens in Potomac/Bethesda something will actually start to be done about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My family lived in Wheaton/Silver Spring for generations. We finally had to move due to this issue. My beloved former neighborhood has now become Central America.

It is spreading widely and fast. Time to start building multi-family on those single-family lots in Bethesda and Potomac.

Cram 'em in.

Lol. This is sad, but funny. Not a good future for Montgomery County. Funny how the new arrivals will live close in and everyone else will be in Clarksburg or Ville, whatever it's called.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family lived in Wheaton/Silver Spring for generations. We finally had to move due to this issue. My beloved former neighborhood has now become Central America.

It is spreading widely and fast. Time to start building multi-family on those single-family lots in Bethesda and Potomac.

Cram 'em in.

Once it happens in Potomac/Bethesda something will actually start to be done about it.

You would be incorrect, once one is done there is a precedent. And the leftists courts will support this full on. You could not be more wrong, you are not protected at any level. Welcome to the new normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? I live in Silver Spring and, no, there are not multiple families living in the same house...but you go on with your racists tropes.

Silver Spring is huge - it can be true in some places and it in others.

I don’t blame the tenants - they are lovely neighbors and everyone deserves a place to live and send their ids to school. And I love our school and am happy to have them as fellow students and friends for my kids! But illegal rentals aren’t safe and cause overcrowded classrooms, so enforcing the rules isn’t racist. Asking for more affordable housing (so people don’t have to turn to illegal rentals) isn’t racist. It’s sound policy.

It is obvious that you need to Do The Work(TM)!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about? I live in Silver Spring and, no, there are not multiple families living in the same house...but you go on with your racists tropes.

Not sure where you are but this is definitely happening in Stonegate. Not racist in any way (we are a URM family), but worry about the long term capacity of our brand new elementary school.