Yale sees DECREASE in Asian strudents from 30% to 24%; White students icnrease from 42% to 46%

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

Because people want to boost their chances at an elite college. It’s really that simple, and black students are the easiest target.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

Because people want to boost their chances at an elite college. It’s really that simple, and black students are the easiest target.

Rich black students from the best private schools usually have the easiest time getting into elite universities. But that's going to change very quickly in the next year or two. Or quicker as MIT and Amherst demonstrated. But there are terrific black students with 1500s and 4.0s and maybe Yale is finding them.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

Because people want to boost their chances at an elite college. It’s really that simple, and black students are the easiest target.

Rich black students from the best private schools usually have the easiest time getting into elite universities. But that's going to change very quickly in the next year or two. Or quicker as MIT and Amherst demonstrated. But there are terrific black students with 1500s and 4.0s and maybe Yale is finding them.

The best colleges will get their black students. The elite but not best will struggle- liberal arts colleges specifically

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

I dont think Yale has a problem. These numbers are fine. Other schools .. not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

In what way? Certainly not athletics.

Did you know that extra curriculars is not just athletics? Did you know that the Harvard lawsuit found that Asian Americans had better e.c than most of the students, including white students?

of course I know that, that's why I listed off a number of different hobbies. Historically asians have tended to hyper focus on academics or academically-adjacent hobbies. Being a member of the chess club, mathletes, or model UN doesnt really add too much to your profile when youre applying at these competitive places. Ideally they would want a candidate with straight As, who can also play football, who's also into rock climbing, who also loves to paint, who also plays in a rock band on the weekend, who's also well liked by peers, etc. And these schools can afford to be choosy and hold out for exactly what they want. Oh well.

That's why you are seeing more Asian American kids in different sports. Look at the US olympic team. More Asian American olympians than ever before.

Mostly in spots like gymnastics. Asians dont tend to dominate whatsoever in sports that the US favors. There's a reason there arent many Asians in the NFL, NBA, rugby, etc, and it's not because of discrimination.

LMAO NFL and NBA are dominated by Blacks.
White people must be socially awkward or something.
Asians don't claim there's discrimination in the NFL or NBA.

and all other sports are dominated by whites.

And the NFL is black men — not black women.

Blacks is not equivalent to black men.

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Anonymous wrote:So AA did not, in fact, benefit whites after all? Huh. That never would have occurred to me in a million years.

It ALWAYS benefited white women. Nothing about this disputes that.

It does not benefit white women today

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

But then why do asians tend to have better extra-curriculars than whites?

Define "better." Better to whom?

To the harvard admissions committee.

Asians on average rated better on extra-curriculars.

Like juggling?

Like pretty much everything.

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Many great jugglers are Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

The SFFA opinion prohibits discrimination, not "overt" discrimination.

"But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities
may not simply establish through application essays or
other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissent-
ing opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice
on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat can-
not be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Consti-
tution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibi-
tion against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing,
40 STUDENTS FOR FAIR ADMISSIONS, INC. v. PRESIDENT
AND FELLOWS OF HARVARD COLLEGE
Opinion of the Court"
not the name.”

I think Yale over-tuned it's algorithm to try and maintain diversity.
I'm sure there will be a lawsuit, we will see how they changed their selection criteria and if it was meant to achieve racially discriminatory results.

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Anonymous wrote:The gain in "whites" were all Asian or half-Asian kids who claimed to be white in order to circumvent Ivy League admissions racism.

This. I suspect the Asian kids self identified as white so as not to be discriminated against.

Bit white kids can’t self identify as Hispanic…

? they do it all the time.

White kid with Germanic ancestry from Argentina = Hispanic

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

The problem is racial discrimination.

When Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier, black players became over-represented in the mlb very quickly.
The owners of the teams didn't let more than 4 black players on the field at a time. If they replaced their white pitcher with a black pitcher, then one of the black fielders had to come out so there would always be a majority of white players on the field. There were a lot of black players that didn't play in the mlb despite being much better than most white players because of this self imposed limitation.
That was racial discrimination against an over-represented minority.
Do you see any problem with that sort of discrimination or were the MLB owners wrong to impose that limit despite the fact that black players were over-represented?

There is no such thing as good racism.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

Because people want to boost their chances at an elite college. It’s really that simple, and black students are the easiest target.

Nobody is targetting black students. Asians are not asking for any favors or handouts or pity. They just don't want to be discriminated against.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what the problem is. I get that elite universities don't have to look like the racial makeup of the US. But 24 percent is still more than 300 percent the 7 percent of the US that is Asian. MIT has issues going the other way, where only 5 percent of their class is black, even though blacks make up close to 13 percent of the US population. And every selective school is way underrepresented by Hispanics, who are presently 19 percent of the population.

People can yammer about test scores, which are important, but private universities remain free to construct classes as they see fit provided there is no overt discrimination against protected classes. And every elite private school wants a broad array of students that can handle the coursework and contribute to the community. It's only been one year since the SC decision so things are going to feel a little chaotic. But no group is owed anything and the universities are doing their best to make sense of the new realities. I'm sure no one is more surprised by the decrease in Asian students to Yale than the Yale administrators themselves.

Because people want to boost their chances at an elite college. It’s really that simple, and black students are the easiest target.

Rich black students from the best private schools usually have the easiest time getting into elite universities. But that's going to change very quickly in the next year or two. Or quicker as MIT and Amherst demonstrated. But there are terrific black students with 1500s and 4.0s and maybe Yale is finding them.

And did they find a bunch of terrific white students too? Because that is the category that increased the most.

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Anonymous wrote:The gain in "whites" were all Asian or half-Asian kids who claimed to be white in order to circumvent Ivy League admissions racism.

This. I suspect the Asian kids self identified as white so as not to be discriminated against.

Bit white kids can’t self identify as Hispanic…

? they do it all the time.

White kid with Germanic ancestry from Argentina = Hispanic

My kids identify as white hispanic all the time. And they’re not no sabo kids either!

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Anonymous wrote:Imo "holistic" admissions favors white students because it's based on white standards for what makes for a desirable student. There's an over emphasis on being "well-rounded" as defined by white culture: sports including niche white sports, community service, eagle scouts, etc.

TBH, no one really wants kids who are just 1000% focused on academics without any sporting ability, club membership, leadership positions, creative hobbies. Asian students tend to hyperfocus on academics but it's not really what higher education is supposed to embody in the west

You must be talking about Asian students from Asia. If you really are talking about Asian Americans, you are clueless and need to get your head out of your a** once in a while.