MIT releases post-affirmative action class of 2028 data

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

-ok w/other people being turned off seeing your child on the tours? Turned off by seeing too many others that like themselves & one of their parents & set of grandparents. Self-hate much? Or think you’re somehow different? special? better?

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Anonymous wrote:All those people arguing that schools would just cheat based on the essay were wrong. Black students went from 15 percent to 5 percent - a two-thirds drop. I only predicted a third to a half. Looks like MIT at least didn't cheat. It'll be interesting to see the Harvard numbers.

I think they are still just adjusting to figure out the best way to get the students they want. There was a large drop for '27 and they made headway for '28 - there are other ways to get get at the outcome they'd like - I have confidence MIT will be able to figure it out. (much can be learned from zipcode data for example)

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Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

They will claim white flight. But we all know the real reason is they’re not competitive, which is why they’re so increasingly racist.

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What a hateful remark. Please check in with yourself before you post.
Hate has no home on DCUM.

Is this a joke?
DCUM has been infested with racism. Actually, anti-asian racism is almost the trademark of DCUM.

Is there a group DCUM isn’t racist against?

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My guess is that MIT and similar schools will launch "outreach programs" that target heavily black and latino areas. They will claim that it's about "income" to avoid lawsuits.

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Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

People do this all the time. Dc didn’t apply to Yale, because the entire tour group other than us was wearing Patagonia and were asian or blond blue eyed. He knew he didn’t fit with the few students we did meet, because they were buttoned up. He’s at Brown now.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that MIT and similar schools will launch "outreach programs" that target heavily black and latino areas. They will claim that it's about "income" to avoid lawsuits.

They already have multiple. MOSTEC and MITES are very well known diversity recruitment plans by MIT that have been very successful. They also have a fly in.

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Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

People do this all the time. Dc didn’t apply to Yale, because the entire tour group other than us was wearing Patagonia and were asian or blond blue eyed. He knew he didn’t fit with the few students we did meet, because they were buttoned up. He’s at Brown now.

Look at the students not the tour group.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

You mean she wants White majority in college.

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I'm an MIT alumni and find this disappointing. MIT had a lot of supports in place for minorities and people coming from rural schools to prepare them for MIT. Opportunities that I do believe those kids deserved

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Meritocracy is the way to go.

MIT does not have meritocratic admissions.

Isn’t a school that has strict SAT/ACT requirements closer to it than most colleges?

Many top schools have that. MIT still is heavily invested in extracurriculars and opinion-based metrics that have little to do with being the best student.

MIT defines the 'best student' as they see fit for thier institution whatever those characteristics may be. It's interesting that so many want to define 'merit' by a test for Math and Verbal proficiency and are aghast that some (people, institutions) define 'merit' differently. The idea that a person with M=780 has more 'merit' or is a 'better student' than a 700 is only true if one decides that that is the metric. Add in leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form, and/or being successful in a challenging environment and you have a different definition.

A score of 780 may indicate the aptitude to be successful in MIT's program, but that doesn't equate to full definition of the 'best student' for theirs program.

Who hires a person, finds a mate, choose a church, decide on friends by a single quantitative metric (or two) and defines the as 'best'?
[These analogies are dumb. When you are a college that has a few months to pick 1,300 people out of 33,000 applicants, something totally unlike these decisions, then you absolutely need a few appropriate quantitative metrics in order to weed out large numbers of applicants quickly.]

The idea that "leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form" etc. are going to outweigh test scores and good grades in a rigorous curriculum as measures of merit is what dishonest people say when they want to run interference for anti-Asian discrimination.

The GPA and test scores are necessary but not sufficient. Why can't people understand that schools don't see any difference between a 1550 and a 1600 and that the class president with the 1550 is getting in over the 1600 student with nothing else remarkable?

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Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

People do this all the time. Dc didn’t apply to Yale, because the entire tour group other than us was wearing Patagonia and were asian or blond blue eyed. He knew he didn’t fit with the few students we did meet, because they were buttoned up. He’s at Brown now.

Look at the students not the tour group.

Students weren’t much different, because that’s the type of person Yale attracts. Our guide was black and relayed an experience where campus security followed her into the residential college and accused her of sneaking into her own dorm room.

Most of these top colleges have tried to keep a balance of no majority race but an environment that is hospitable for most white students (read not Jewish) and Asian students.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

You mean she wants White majority in college.

An uncomfortable fact is that affirmative action was partially motivated by suppressing Asian admits to keep white donor families comfortable. Once these schools hit 45% Asian, their social clout with affluent whites will evaporate.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article: . . . The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

Those numbers add up to 100% for the class of 2028 and 109% for the class of 2027.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

You mean she wants White majority in college.

An uncomfortable fact is that affirmative action was partially motivated by suppressing Asian admits to keep white donor families comfortable. Once these schools hit 45% Asian, their social clout with affluent whites will evaporate.

That is the purpose. Anyone whose been to Berkeley has seen how exclusive majority Asian environments can be.

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Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

The white kid with the Chilean grandfather no longer feels the need to check the box

Ding, ding, ding.

There are your missing Hispanics. If you go to private school in DC you know about one hundred of these kids. The grandmother was from Argentina but kid's name is Mary Jones and they live in a $4 million dollar home.
These kids are no longer getting the Hispanic bump or at least not with as much ease.

Guilty.

They had the numbers and the ECs and were as qualified as any fencing recruit or child of a PE partner.

The colleges make the rules. You roll with what is and adapt accordingly. It was a pleasant surprise that an Argentinean grandparent was good enough for a National Hispanic Recognition Award.

Top 20s for both of them.

Pretty sure it was the birthplace of the grandmother that made the difference. I mean they're awesome kids regardless, but I do think that little Hispanic box on the apps made the difference.

Like being black for the past 30 years. It's not some kid from Dunbar or Anacostia that's getting the spots at Princeton and MIT.

It's GDS and Sidwell and so on. Rich, privileged kids.

Just a convoluted way of saying that your underprivileged POC aren't really. The blacks and hispanics going to Harvard and Yale aren't coming from the barrio or the inner-city.

I’m confused. Everything is self reported. I can be black to the college board if I say so.

You'll need some copies of birth certificates and passports eventually.

Just looked at kid's US birth certificate. There is no race info on it.