MIT releases post-affirmative action class of 2028 data

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Anonymous wrote:Are the URM students accepted by MIT this year still going to be treated like they don't deserve to be there?

Sentiment won't change overnight.
They need to earn it over time..
Revisit in 10 years.

Why the F would they have to "earn" it??? The whole premise of this discussion is that no affirmative action has been applied.

Because 50 years of affirmative action has taught the institution that URM students are less qualified.
It will take a while for the institution to unlearn that

Accepted across the board this year with the same AP classes, the same AP scores, the same ACT or SAT scores, the same ECs... and still less qualified?

Please point out how and/or where?

They're not less qualified at all but institutions have memories.
After 50 years of admitting underqualified students based on skin color, there is institutional assumption that many of the URM are underqualified.
This was probably less true at MIT than other places because of the nature of the education there.
But these attitudes will not change overnight, it took 50 years of unearned preferences to develop these attitudes and it will probably take at least 4-10 years for these attitudes to adjust to the new reality.

Such a load of crap. Even the weakest admits to MIT have always been top notch students. You can insist that someone who missed 8 questions on the SAT is innately less qualified than someone who only missed 3 questions. Enjoy yourself and your game of Sudoku/Solitaire/Wordle or whatever it is you do to pass time alone.

It is not in fact the case that applicants at this level are indistinguishable. To you they are all “smart kids”. But really there are massive differences even among admits.

Since you raised it — no, nobody in admissions is drawing conclusions over a few SAT questions at this level.

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For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

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Mostly because it’s not offered at the high schools they attend.

There are a gazillion black and hispanic students in schools that offer calculus and mv.

MIT is discovering the cultural thing. There just aren't a lot of black or hispanic families that really value the math and science grind.

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For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

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Mostly because it’s not offered at the high schools they attend.

There are a gazillion black and hispanic students in schools that offer calculus and mv.

MIT is discovering the cultural thing. There just aren't a lot of black or hispanic families that really value the math and science grind.

DP: "Approximately 35% of schools with high enrollments of Black and Latino students offered calculus, compared to 54% of schools with low enrollments of Black and Latino students."

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/crdc-student-access-enrollment.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

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Mostly because it’s not offered at the high schools they attend.

There are a gazillion black and hispanic students in schools that offer calculus and mv.

MIT is discovering the cultural thing. There just aren't a lot of black or hispanic families that really value the math and science grind.

DP: "Approximately 35% of schools with high enrollments of Black and Latino students offered calculus, compared to 54% of schools with low enrollments of Black and Latino students."

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/crdc-student-access-enrollment.pdf

I wish people realized how disparate education outcomes are in this nation. Being born black and low income in the US is basically like running in molasses for most of your life.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

Because it is difficult and takes lot of hard work.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

Because it is difficult and takes lot of hard work.

What a soft nation we have that anyone think BC Calc is difficult or takes much work at all.

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The best admission system would favor students with the heaviest coursework (multiple courses after BC Calc) and an SAT where less than a handful of students are getting perfect scores. Extracurriculars need to be cut to paste, and the diversity needs to stop. Our grad school departments are filled with internationals, because our students are too dumb to even begin, and the internationals start at where we are junior year of college.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

How many black and Hispanic students go to top/well-funded high schools to take these courses? The bulk of minorities at these institutions are rich or educationally-privileged, because you need to be. No inner city child really makes it to the gates, even before the end of AA

Not really.

Stuyvesant in NYC is about 75% Asians and almost all of them are from low income family with parents who are not fluent in English attending crappy NYC public schools and yet manages to gain admission to Stuyvesant.

Another inconvenient truth.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

How many black and Hispanic students go to top/well-funded high schools to take these courses? The bulk of minorities at these institutions are rich or educationally-privileged, because you need to be. No inner city child really makes it to the gates, even before the end of AA

Not really.

Stuyvesant in NYC is about 75% Asians and almost all of them are from low income family with parents who are not fluent in English attending crappy NYC public schools and yet manages to gain admission to Stuyvesant.

Another inconvenient truth.

Stuyvesant is a magnet prep school that is nationally famous for its rigorous courseload. I’m talking about inner city public schools, not magnet programs lmao.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

How many black and Hispanic students go to top/well-funded high schools to take these courses? The bulk of minorities at these institutions are rich or educationally-privileged, because you need to be. No inner city child really makes it to the gates, even before the end of AA

Not really.

Stuyvesant in NYC is about 75% Asians and almost all of them are from low income family with parents who are not fluent in English attending crappy NYC public schools and yet manages to gain admission to Stuyvesant.

Another inconvenient truth.

Stuyvesant is a magnet prep school that is nationally famous for its rigorous courseload. I’m talking about inner city public schools, not magnet programs lmao.

also Stuyvesant is “inconveniently” majority Asian, because NYC public schools are insanely segregated. There are many other magnet schools outside of TJ and Stuy that are very diverse.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

How many black and Hispanic students go to top/well-funded high schools to take these courses? The bulk of minorities at these institutions are rich or educationally-privileged, because you need to be. No inner city child really makes it to the gates, even before the end of AA

Not really.

Stuyvesant in NYC is about 75% Asians and almost all of them are from low income family with parents who are not fluent in English attending crappy NYC public schools and yet manages to gain admission to Stuyvesant.

Another inconvenient truth.

Stuyvesant is a magnet prep school that is nationally famous for its rigorous courseload. I’m talking about inner city public schools, not magnet programs lmao.

also Stuyvesant is “inconveniently” majority Asian, because NYC public schools are insanely segregated. There are many other magnet schools outside of TJ and Stuy that are very diverse.

I think you are missing the whole point of the post or intentionally being obtuse.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

How many black and Hispanic students go to top/well-funded high schools to take these courses? The bulk of minorities at these institutions are rich or educationally-privileged, because you need to be. No inner city child really makes it to the gates, even before the end of AA

Not really.

Stuyvesant in NYC is about 75% Asians and almost all of them are from low income family with parents who are not fluent in English attending crappy NYC public schools and yet manages to gain admission to Stuyvesant.

Another inconvenient truth.

Stuyvesant is a magnet prep school that is nationally famous for its rigorous courseload. I’m talking about inner city public schools, not magnet programs lmao.

also Stuyvesant is “inconveniently” majority Asian, because NYC public schools are insanely segregated. There are many other magnet schools outside of TJ and Stuy that are very diverse.

I think you are missing the whole point of the post or intentionally being obtuse.

I guess I’m missing the entire point, because I believe I addressed it. How many Asians in local NYC public schools that aren’t educationally privileged getting into top schools? It’s just very uncommon. I can’t believe we are arguing whether you need to go to a good school to go to an elite college, but here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Just a quick observation from outside the US, grouping all Asians together as a block is nuts.

60 percent of the world’s population lives in Asia including several of the world’s most and least advanced economies… and everything in between.

I totally agree. At the very least, have a separate statistic for Indian/Pakistani. It's confusing when people say Asian when they mean Indian because they Indians and East/Southeast Asians just don't seem the same at all, other than the fact that there are many smart people in both groups. On the other hand, if I hear of someone who's Japanese and someone who's Thai, they're still very different, but I can understand why they'd be grouped together. I think most people understand what I'm saying on a gut level. I mean countries like Turkey, Armenia, Afghanistan and Cyprus are in Asia, but we don't expect them to check the Asian box, do we?

Hilarious. Indians and Pakistanis hate each other. Often they are a different religion. Do you know how many Indian/Pakistan wars there have been?

But sure, lump them together and tell them they belong in the same ‘box’.

Do you know many Indians and Pakistanis? At a personal level we don't hate each other - our food, movies, language is very common. There also more Muslims in India then there are in Pakistan.

The hate is overseas and mostly politically motivated. Bangladesh is Muslim country and the people don't hate each other. Bangladesh was known as East Pakistan and the Bengalis cross the border on-mass everyday.

Over here they tolerate each other, but they are separate friend groups. I think you know that

They are but when India was playing Australia for the cricket world cup, I believe most Pakistani American and Bangladeshi American was rooting for India over Australia.

And yes they have separate social circles but a lot of indians I know see to socialize primarily among people from the same regions of india. I don't understand the dynamic exactly but they seem to know which group they belong to.

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Anonymous wrote:The best admission system would favor students with the heaviest coursework (multiple courses after BC Calc) and an SAT where less than a handful of students are getting perfect scores. Extracurriculars need to be cut to paste, and the diversity needs to stop. Our grad school departments are filled with internationals, because our students are too dumb to even begin, and the internationals start at where we are junior year of college.

This is the uncomfortable reality. American students are plain dumb and need a much more rigorous education. I wouldn’t be mad if they introduced an English GaoKao

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

This is pretty terrible. It seems that black and hispanic students aren't taking higher level math classes in high school. Certainly compared to white and asian students. 5 percent for blacks is very low. But the more notable number is the decline in latino students. Elite colleges are not looking like America going forward. Why aren't blacks and hispanics taking Calculus BC?

Because it is difficult and takes lot of hard work.

What a soft nation we have that anyone think BC Calc is difficult or takes much work at all.

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