How well known are “lower-tier” Ivys internationally?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm from the UK. There is no such thing as a Lower Ivy. There's the Ivy League, MIT, Stanford and Cal tech. Nothing else matters.

Yep. The Ivy League—all 8 of them and then those 3.

I’m from the UK. No one knows Brown, Dartmouth, or Cornell. Most people think Upenn is a state school in Pennsylvania, if they even know where that state is.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

Are you joking regarding Columbia having a brand?

Columbia has the New York effect, same as NYU.

Of course, people choose Columbia for NYC but I have never heard of it having a brand. It doesn’t.

you have to be kidding. Columbia has a massive brand, way better than Penn for sure.

Maybe you are living in the past.

US News has Penn at #6 best university, #1 business school, #3 medical school, #4 best law school.

For business schools, there is no better brand than Wharton.

It doesn't matter. US News is not that relevant internationally. Columbia a much stronger brand abroad than Penn. In fact, more people have heard of Georgetown than Penn. It's not fair, but Penn's name is just not that great. It doesn't sound any better or more special than, say, University of Virginia or Wisconsin. 99.9% of people abroad wouldn't be able to tell it from Penn State.

Here is an international ranking: https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2023

[Anonymous]

Cornell stands on its own but Dartmouth and Brown are free riders of the ivy label

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Anonymous wrote:Brown is a top 10 school. It’s ranked 9.

Dartmouth and Cornell are generally the “lower”. Cornell also is large- 17,000 students vs 7k.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

Are you joking regarding Columbia having a brand?

STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

Are you joking regarding Columbia having a brand?

Columbia has the New York effect, same as NYU.

Of course, people choose Columbia for NYC but I have never heard of it having a brand. It doesn’t.

you have to be kidding. Columbia has a massive brand, way better than Penn for sure.

Maybe you are living in the past.

US News has Penn at #6 best university, #1 business school, #3 medical school, #4 best law school.

For business schools, there is no better brand than Wharton.

US News Global University ranking has Columbia at #9 best university in the world and UPenn at #16.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Brown is a top 10 school. It’s ranked 9.

Dartmouth and Cornell are generally the “lower”. Cornell also is large- 17,000 students vs 7k.

+1

This is about internationally prestige. No one gives a flying f about all three of those schools outside of the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

Are you joking regarding Columbia having a brand?

Columbia has the New York effect, same as NYU.

Of course, people choose Columbia for NYC but I have never heard of it having a brand. It doesn’t.

you have to be kidding. Columbia has a massive brand, way better than Penn for sure.

Maybe you are living in the past.

US News has Penn at #6 best university, #1 business school, #3 medical school, #4 best law school.

For business schools, there is no better brand than Wharton.

US News Global University ranking has Columbia at #9 best university in the world and UPenn at #16.

Perhaps they have not yet corrected for the fraudulent data reported by Columbia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:French person here, no one knows anything about the US system.

That’s pretty much true worldwide with the exception of Harvard and MIT. And, oddly, Michigan. Who knows why.

But, any US university carries with it some degree of repute.

Fair enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

Are you joking regarding Columbia having a brand?

Columbia has the New York effect, same as NYU.

Of course, people choose Columbia for NYC but I have never heard of it having a brand. It doesn’t.

you have to be kidding. Columbia has a massive brand, way better than Penn for sure.

Maybe you are living in the past.

US News has Penn at #6 best university, #1 business school, #3 medical school, #4 best law school.

For business schools, there is no better brand than Wharton.

US News Global University ranking has Columbia at #9 best university in the world and UPenn at #16.

Perhaps they have not yet corrected for the fraudulent data reported by Columbia.

This is US News Global ranking. Go figure.

[Anonymous]

From NZ here, and for us it’s Harvard, Stanford, MIT, and also Wharton and Duke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From NZ here, and for us it’s Harvard, Stanford, MIT, and also Wharton and Duke.

Do you let NZ grandmas and grandpas decide college for your kids?
Nobody in the USA with the right mind decides college based on what NZ grandparents think.

[Anonymous]

This thread makes me think delusion is global.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread makes me think delusion is global.

I applaud this statement, starting with a slow clap and waiting until it becomes a full standing ovation.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

Are you joking regarding Columbia having a brand?

Columbia has the New York effect, same as NYU.

Of course, people choose Columbia for NYC but I have never heard of it having a brand. It doesn’t.

you have to be kidding. Columbia has a massive brand, way better than Penn for sure.

Maybe you are living in the past.

US News has Penn at #6 best university, #1 business school, #3 medical school, #4 best law school.

For business schools, there is no better brand than Wharton.

US News Global University ranking has Columbia at #9 best university in the world and UPenn at #16.

Perhaps they have not yet corrected for the fraudulent data reported by Columbia.

The data for global ranking is only from objective data, not the kind of biased survey data the undergraduate ranking is using.