How well known are “lower-tier” Ivys internationally?

[Anonymous]

Many people speculating without any evidence yet again.

You're all making sh*t up from the adult equivalent of your mom's basement.

You should stop. You sound ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Depends, Cornell is well known. But people know Emory before they'll know Brown and Dartmouth.

I hate the people who bash schools like Emory, but, no, no regular people outside the United States who are not obsessed with colleges have heard of it.

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Anonymous wrote:“Lower-tier Ivy”?

Well it is only a sports league after all. if it were not them belonging in that sports division, dartmouth and brown would be more irrelevant than they already are.

This is true, and validated based on the main world rankings that exist: Brown and Dartmouth are not world class, not even in the top 200 on some. Yale slides some but not as much/ still top 50. The US universities that consistently compete at the top tier of the world stage are MIT, Stanford, Harvard, UPenn, Berkeley Princeton and Columbia

What a load of horse hockey. Of course they are world class. They focus on undergrads and, because of that, don't rank as well on grad-based research metrics.
International students are desperate to get into Dartmouth and Brown. Not so much some of the state schools that rank higher on that list.

[Anonymous]

I think this is someone trying to scare off the competition, frankly. What an idiotic thread.

[Anonymous]

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There are many more wealthy and educated families WHO HAVE NEVER HEARD of any US uni, and who don't care, and whose kids will make their money anyway without attending such institutions. You should care about that, because it means that your American values, as represented by the classic American college experience, don't percolate in many European, Asian, Middle East, and African circles. People elect politicians who will partner or fight with the US without the benefit of much knowledge about how we work as a nation.

For your own good and that of your children in this country, stop thinking that everyone knows about the US, its colleges, or is dying to emulate Americans and come here.

And you'd be advised to learn a little more about their countries and their values. This is how you stop making costly mistakes as you try to continue being the world's policeman.

So, now we find out why a Russian shill started this thread: To get a chance to bash the United States outside the politics thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

God- you are dumb. All 8 Ivies are very well-known internationally. I am European and there is a frenzy to get into an Ivy. Look at tennis rosters, soccer rosters, squash, etc…filled with Europeans at all 8 Ivies. It’s a business over there.

Over 1/3 of Brown’s students are International.

To reply to you and another PP, you have to get it into your thick heads that the international families dying to get their kids into top-rated US universities are, what, 0.000 000 000 008% of the world population. Yes, in some Asian countries like South Korea it IS a business. But as usual, DCUM is short on math skills, and those families represent a minuscule fraction of middle and upper class people around the world. But you imagine everyone wants in, because the only foreigners you see are the people who attend these institutions, or who go to great lengths to be accepted.

There are many more wealthy and educated families WHO HAVE NEVER HEARD of any US uni, and who don't care, and whose kids will make their money anyway without attending such institutions. You should care about that, because it means that your American values, as represented by the classic American college experience, don't percolate in many European, Asian, Middle East, and African circles. People elect politicians who will partner or fight with the US without the benefit of much knowledge about how we work as a nation.

For your own good and that of your children in this country, stop thinking that everyone knows about the US, its colleges, or is dying to emulate Americans and come here.

And you'd be advised to learn a little more about their countries and their values. This is how you stop making costly mistakes as you try to continue being the world's policeman.

The myopia and hubris on this site is mind-boggling.

Ive lived all over the world and disagre very much with you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

+1

[Anonymous]

Dartmouth, Brown, and Cornell are not as well known or considered internationally as some non-ivys like Stanford, Berkely, MIT, Northwestern, etc. or even McGill, Sorbonne, Oxbridge, LSE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brown is a top 10 school. It’s ranked 9.

Dartmouth and Cornell are generally the “lower”. Cornell also is large- 17,000 students vs 7k.

Cornell has had a historical track record of admitting international students for many decades. Especially from Asia. A larger-sized university leads to more potential for international alums.

Many of the US Top 50 are well known in Asia because STEM and R&D go hand in hand and there are more international STEM grad students than the US university system can absorb.

This is the only non-Western ranking I've seen (it's Chinese). Cornell is 12. Penn is 14.

https://www.shanghairanking.com/rankings/arwu/2023

I think the concept of a lower Ivy has been made up by insecure snobs. All the schools are different and it's just a sports league. So if any are really "lower", it should be based on football team performance!

Brown is favored by the occasional European royal. It seems to be famous enough for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

Are you joking regarding Columbia having a brand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

God- you are dumb. All 8 Ivies are very well-known internationally. I am European and there is a frenzy to get into an Ivy. Look at tennis rosters, soccer rosters, squash, etc…filled with Europeans at all 8 Ivies. It’s a business over there.

Over 1/3 of Brown’s students are International.

To reply to you and another PP, you have to get it into your thick heads that the international families dying to get their kids into top-rated US universities are, what, 0.000 000 000 008% of the world population. Yes, in some Asian countries like South Korea it IS a business. But as usual, DCUM is short on math skills, and those families represent a minuscule fraction of middle and upper class people around the world. But you imagine everyone wants in, because the only foreigners you see are the people who attend these institutions, or who go to great lengths to be accepted.

There are many more wealthy and educated families WHO HAVE NEVER HEARD of any US uni, and who don't care, and whose kids will make their money anyway without attending such institutions. You should care about that, because it means that your American values, as represented by the classic American college experience, don't percolate in many European, Asian, Middle East, and African circles. People elect politicians who will partner or fight with the US without the benefit of much knowledge about how we work as a nation.

For your own good and that of your children in this country, stop thinking that everyone knows about the US, its colleges, or is dying to emulate Americans and come here.

And you'd be advised to learn a little more about their countries and their values. This is how you stop making costly mistakes as you try to continue being the world's policeman.

The myopia and hubris on this site is mind-boggling.

Chill out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

Are you joking regarding Columbia having a brand?

Columbia has the New York effect, same as NYU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth, Brown, and Cornell are not as well known or considered internationally as some non-ivys like Stanford, Berkely, MIT, Northwestern, etc. or even McGill, Sorbonne, Oxbridge, LSE.

Outside of the us, the Canadian prestigious university is UToronto and occasionally UBC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

Are you joking regarding Columbia having a brand?

Columbia has the New York effect, same as NYU.

Of course, people choose Columbia for NYC but I have never heard of it having a brand. It doesn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.

Are you joking regarding Columbia having a brand?

Columbia has the New York effect, same as NYU.

Of course, people choose Columbia for NYC but I have never heard of it having a brand. It doesn’t.

you have to be kidding. Columbia has a massive brand, way better than Penn for sure.