How well known are “lower-tier” Ivys internationally?

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Anonymous wrote:Brown is a top 10 school. It’s ranked 9.

Dartmouth and Cornell are generally the “lower”. Cornell also is large- 17,000 students vs 7k.

Brown made it top 10 only one year, the most recent one, and it is due to usnews changing the system a lot. It is not really t10.

Lol it's not really top 10 except for now that it actually is but instead let me make some unfounded baseless evidence-less data-free assertion and hope no one points out how 9 is in the top 10 or how stupid I sound.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

God- you are dumb. All 8 Ivies are very well-known internationally. I am European and there is a frenzy to get into an Ivy. Look at tennis rosters, soccer rosters, squash, etc…filled with Europeans at all 8 Ivies. It’s a business over there.

Over 1/3 of Brown’s students are International.

To reply to you and another PP, you have to get it into your thick heads that the international families dying to get their kids into top-rated US universities are, what, 0.000 000 000 008% of the world population. Yes, in some Asian countries like South Korea it IS a business. But as usual, DCUM is short on math skills, and those families represent a minuscule fraction of middle and upper class people around the world. But you imagine everyone wants in, because the only foreigners you see are the people who attend these institutions, or who go to great lengths to be accepted.

There are many more wealthy and educated families WHO HAVE NEVER HEARD of any US uni, and who don't care, and whose kids will make their money anyway without attending such institutions. You should care about that, because it means that your American values, as represented by the classic American college experience, don't percolate in many European, Asian, Middle East, and African circles. People elect politicians who will partner or fight with the US without the benefit of much knowledge about how we work as a nation.

For your own good and that of your children in this country, stop thinking that everyone knows about the US, its colleges, or is dying to emulate Americans and come here.

And you'd be advised to learn a little more about their countries and their values. This is how you stop making costly mistakes as you try to continue being the world's policeman.

The myopia and hubris on this site is mind-boggling.

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https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings

Just reference the global list, without ivy tag Dartmouth and brown are basically Georgetown

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WTF Cares what laypeople in other countries know or think. A layperson in Turkey probably has no idea about schools in Australia or Singapore. Why are we discussing this inane topic?!

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Anonymous wrote:Depends, Cornell is well known. But people know Emory before they'll know Brown and Dartmouth.

This is absolutely not true. Emory? Really? Duke, maybe, but not Emory. Cripes.

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It really is silly. The initial question is asking about employers abroad, and I think intention was average joe employer versus average joe citizen. Need a lot more information on industry to be helpful. Solid students at Brown and Dartmouth will lead successful lives anywhere, much like many other US schools ranked higher or lower on an arbitrary ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:The torrents of stupid continue without cessation.

These must be troll threads

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In Australia, they are impressed by three or four US names they have heard of. But only a bit. The degree of variation among unis in Oz is not huge. So a lesser known degree is an almost equal qualification to a well known one. They don’t worry too much about why they haven’t heard of your uni. They care that you have the degree, and that you have solid experience. Mostly, the networking happens at high school and people use that alumni network moving forward. Oddly, they care very much about your (preferably posh) high school.

The insane price tag of US higher ed, coupled with the poor exchange rate, means only the very wealthiest will apply. Except for the schools that are need blind for internationals. Those tend to be the names they know.

The exception to this? There is a huge contingency of Asian kids on student visas in Oz, and they know all the schools everywhere. Those kids have a lot of pressure to achieve a prestigious outcome. They def view it through a different lens.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

+1

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Globally, it's just Harvard, Stanford, MIT, and Berkeley for some reason

Everything else is whatever for the average person in Africa, Asia, South America and so on.

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Anonymous wrote:If one were to seek or intend to be employed abroad, would a degree from, say Brown or Dartmouth, be well recognized by employers? Is there a “wow-factor” to the average joe in asian/ european countries, or do more prominent west coast schools like Stanford and Cal Berkeley still have an edge?

If you are a foreigner, I would also love to hear your personal insight in your respective circle/country.

99.9% of AMERICANS don’t recognize low Ivies, why would the rest of the world be wowed by them?

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Anonymous wrote:French person here, no one knows anything about the US system.

That’s pretty much true worldwide with the exception of Harvard and MIT. And, oddly, Michigan. Who knows why.

But, any US university carries with it some degree of repute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If one were to seek or intend to be employed abroad, would a degree from, say Brown or Dartmouth, be well recognized by employers? Is there a “wow-factor” to the average joe in asian/ european countries, or do more prominent west coast schools like Stanford and Cal Berkeley still have an edge?

If you are a foreigner, I would also love to hear your personal insight in your respective circle/country.

99.9% of AMERICANS don’t recognize low Ivies, why would the rest of the world be wowed by them?

Correct, Americans don’t know, and likely same number commenting on this post didn’t attend one or have a child that attends one…high or low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If one were to seek or intend to be employed abroad, would a degree from, say Brown or Dartmouth, be well recognized by employers? Is there a “wow-factor” to the average joe in asian/ european countries, or do more prominent west coast schools like Stanford and Cal Berkeley still have an edge?

If you are a foreigner, I would also love to hear your personal insight in your respective circle/country.

Brown and Dartmouth are obviously amazing schools that provide a great education.

But the truth is that most people are provincial and don’t know much about colleges. Few of us here know much about Imperial, Warwick, Bologna or Sciences Po.

On the other hand, people involved in international university research and admissions probably tend to know an out a much wider range of schools and would know that Brown and Dartmouth are great schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Princeton, and Penn are the only ivies that are well known internationally. Yale is a maybe. Outside that, the others are unknown.

Maybe business people outside the United States know about Wharton. I don’t think most people in the United States have heard of it. People here like to hate on Columbia, but it has a much stronger brand than Penn.