Looking at yield at UVA, VT, UMD, G'town, Hopkins, W&M

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Anonymous wrote:My VA kid turned down VT for UMD but did NOT view VT as a safety. Quite honestly we weren't sure he'd get into either school. But he got into both. UMD has the diversity he wants (we're white but he's used to a much more diverse population than VT has to offer) and UMD directly admitted him to CS. VT doesn't do that.

Congrats on being admitted to both VT and UMD. For high stats STEM kids in Northern Virginia, UMD is the easier admit but as has been pointed out, these are not safeties. And lest anyone gets the wrong impression, VT as a whole is plenty diverse, with 60% white. CS and engineering will be closer to 50%.

Not PP you're talking to but VT is not nearly as diverse as UMD. I say that as an Asian parent who had a child choose UMD over UVA and VT for the diversity. The stats will tell you VT is 10% Asian while UMD is 19% Asian. Big difference. As for other races, VT is 6% Hispanic. UMD is 10%. VT is 4% black. UMD is 12% black. I'm sure a black student would chose UMD over VT if they were looking for some representation. VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia.

I was interested in the actual state demographics after reading the above comment. Here they are...

State of VA
White 69%
Black 20%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 11%

State of MD
White 57%
Black 32%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 12%

Yes, but state demographics vary from the demographics of these universities as the PP had stated.

Yes, obviously. Asians are over-represented at both VT and UMD to a different degree (but as a PP stated, VA also has UVA and W&M which reduces the number of Asians at VT). The black population is significantly underrepresented at both schools (probably due to lack of educational opportunities as another PP mentioned).

I think the original PP's comment of "VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia" does not really seem to be a fair criticism unless the comment is equally applied to UMD.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the point of these threads. Poorly conceived, poorly written. A waster of everyone’s time

+100
Trying desperately to stir up drama where there is none.

While that may be true, I still appreciate these threads because I always learn something!

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Anonymous wrote:My VA kid turned down VT for UMD but did NOT view VT as a safety. Quite honestly we weren't sure he'd get into either school. But he got into both. UMD has the diversity he wants (we're white but he's used to a much more diverse population than VT has to offer) and UMD directly admitted him to CS. VT doesn't do that.

Congrats on being admitted to both VT and UMD. For high stats STEM kids in Northern Virginia, UMD is the easier admit but as has been pointed out, these are not safeties. And lest anyone gets the wrong impression, VT as a whole is plenty diverse, with 60% white. CS and engineering will be closer to 50%.

Not PP you're talking to but VT is not nearly as diverse as UMD. I say that as an Asian parent who had a child choose UMD over UVA and VT for the diversity. The stats will tell you VT is 10% Asian while UMD is 19% Asian. Big difference. As for other races, VT is 6% Hispanic. UMD is 10%. VT is 4% black. UMD is 12% black. I'm sure a black student would chose UMD over VT if they were looking for some representation. VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia.

I was interested in the actual state demographics after reading the above comment. Here they are...

State of VA
White 69%
Black 20%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 11%

State of MD
White 57%
Black 32%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 12%

Yes, but state demographics vary from the demographics of these universities as the PP had stated.

Yes, obviously. Asians are over-represented at both VT and UMD to a different degree (but as a PP stated, VA also has UVA and W&M which reduces the number of Asians at VT). The black population is significantly underrepresented at both schools (probably due to lack of educational opportunities as another PP mentioned).

I think the original PP's comment of "VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia" does not really seem to be a fair criticism unless the comment is equally applied to UMD.

MD also has Hopkins and UMBC (not to mention Towson and Layola and McDaniel). The truth is Maryland does better with diversity than Virginia. It's a former confederate state with a current Republican governor so it's not surprising.

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Anonymous wrote:My VA kid turned down VT for UMD but did NOT view VT as a safety. Quite honestly we weren't sure he'd get into either school. But he got into both. UMD has the diversity he wants (we're white but he's used to a much more diverse population than VT has to offer) and UMD directly admitted him to CS. VT doesn't do that.

Congrats on being admitted to both VT and UMD. For high stats STEM kids in Northern Virginia, UMD is the easier admit but as has been pointed out, these are not safeties. And lest anyone gets the wrong impression, VT as a whole is plenty diverse, with 60% white. CS and engineering will be closer to 50%.

Not PP you're talking to but VT is not nearly as diverse as UMD. I say that as an Asian parent who had a child choose UMD over UVA and VT for the diversity. The stats will tell you VT is 10% Asian while UMD is 19% Asian. Big difference. As for other races, VT is 6% Hispanic. UMD is 10%. VT is 4% black. UMD is 12% black. I'm sure a black student would chose UMD over VT if they were looking for some representation. VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia.

I was interested in the actual state demographics after reading the above comment. Here they are...

State of VA
White 69%
Black 20%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 11%

State of MD
White 57%
Black 32%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 12%

Yes, but state demographics vary from the demographics of these universities as the PP had stated.

Yes, obviously. Asians are over-represented at both VT and UMD to a different degree (but as a PP stated, VA also has UVA and W&M which reduces the number of Asians at VT). The black population is significantly underrepresented at both schools (probably due to lack of educational opportunities as another PP mentioned).

I think the original PP's comment of "VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia" does not really seem to be a fair criticism unless the comment is equally applied to UMD.

MD also has Hopkins and UMBC (not to mention Towson and Layola and McDaniel). The truth is Maryland does better with diversity than Virginia. It's a former confederate state with a current Republican governor so it's not surprising.

Hmm. Well, I would say that Hopkins is a very selective, private university, and we were discussing public "flagship-ish" schools in this sub-thread. As for UMBC and Towson, they would be on the level of GMU, JMU, VCU, right? But sure, if it means that much to you to say that UMD wins on diversity, you can go for it.

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Maryland likely wins on diversity because there are black students who are given educational opportunities than in Virginia. Especially if you compare College Park to Blacksburg. College Park is close to DC and there are in-state students from local counties that could commute if they wanted to. And these students are certainly seeing UMD-CP as a local, attainable college outcome that feels close to home. Even for instate - that's a big difference from driving 4 hours to the mountains - where it's not nearly close to home (and certainly would take more funds).

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Anonymous wrote:My VA kid turned down VT for UMD but did NOT view VT as a safety. Quite honestly we weren't sure he'd get into either school. But he got into both. UMD has the diversity he wants (we're white but he's used to a much more diverse population than VT has to offer) and UMD directly admitted him to CS. VT doesn't do that.

Congrats on being admitted to both VT and UMD. For high stats STEM kids in Northern Virginia, UMD is the easier admit but as has been pointed out, these are not safeties. And lest anyone gets the wrong impression, VT as a whole is plenty diverse, with 60% white. CS and engineering will be closer to 50%.

Not PP you're talking to but VT is not nearly as diverse as UMD. I say that as an Asian parent who had a child choose UMD over UVA and VT for the diversity. The stats will tell you VT is 10% Asian while UMD is 19% Asian. Big difference. As for other races, VT is 6% Hispanic. UMD is 10%. VT is 4% black. UMD is 12% black. I'm sure a black student would chose UMD over VT if they were looking for some representation. VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia.

I was interested in the actual state demographics after reading the above comment. Here they are...

State of VA
White 69%
Black 20%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 11%

State of MD
White 57%
Black 32%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 12%

Yes, but state demographics vary from the demographics of these universities as the PP had stated.

Yes, obviously. Asians are over-represented at both VT and UMD to a different degree (but as a PP stated, VA also has UVA and W&M which reduces the number of Asians at VT). The black population is significantly underrepresented at both schools (probably due to lack of educational opportunities as another PP mentioned).

I think the original PP's comment of "VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia" does not really seem to be a fair criticism unless the comment is equally applied to UMD.

MD also has Hopkins and UMBC (not to mention Towson and Layola and McDaniel). The truth is Maryland does better with diversity than Virginia. It's a former confederate state with a current Republican governor so it's not surprising.

Hmm. Well, I would say that Hopkins is a very selective, private university, and we were discussing public "flagship-ish" schools in this sub-thread. As for UMBC and Towson, they would be on the level of GMU, JMU, VCU, right? But sure, if it means that much to you to say that UMD wins on diversity, you can go for it.

I was more reacting to the comment about us Asian Americans and how in VA we'd be split among 3 schools. Private or not, many Asian Americans choose Hopkins and the numbers for us are good at UMBC and Towson too. So the argument that in VA the population is dispersed in a way that it wouldn't be in MD doesn't hold true.

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Just a white lady with no dog in this fight but I read the diversity post to be saying that the person's kid applied to and was accepted to VT as an in state student. Their kid liked VT and didn't see it as a safety (the point of this thread) but chose UMD for the diversity. Not sure why this became a battle about what colleges are more diverse. The poster didn't disparage VT. And the truth is VA colleges aren't diverse. Another truth is diversity doesn't matter to a lot of people these days and clearly not in Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland likely wins on diversity because there are black students who are given educational opportunities than in Virginia. Especially if you compare College Park to Blacksburg. College Park is close to DC and there are in-state students from local counties that could commute if they wanted to. And these students are certainly seeing UMD-CP as a local, attainable college outcome that feels close to home. Even for instate - that's a big difference from driving 4 hours to the mountains - where it's not nearly close to home (and certainly would take more funds).

Virginia has an equivalent in George Mason. It's just as diverse as UMD-BC, and just as close to DC as UMD-CP. And UMD-CP is waaaaay down this list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/campus-ethnic-diversity

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland likely wins on diversity because there are black students who are given educational opportunities than in Virginia. Especially if you compare College Park to Blacksburg. College Park is close to DC and there are in-state students from local counties that could commute if they wanted to. And these students are certainly seeing UMD-CP as a local, attainable college outcome that feels close to home. Even for instate - that's a big difference from driving 4 hours to the mountains - where it's not nearly close to home (and certainly would take more funds).

Virginia has an equivalent in George Mason. It's just as diverse as UMD-BC, and just as close to DC as UMD-CP. And UMD-CP is waaaaay down this list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/campus-ethnic-diversity

Yes but UMDCP is a better university than GMU, and OP is talking about UVA, VT and UMDCP.

But, the list does seem to support what OP is stating, that UVA and VT aren't diverse (W&M even less so).

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Anonymous wrote:My VA kid turned down VT for UMD but did NOT view VT as a safety. Quite honestly we weren't sure he'd get into either school. But he got into both. UMD has the diversity he wants (we're white but he's used to a much more diverse population than VT has to offer) and UMD directly admitted him to CS. VT doesn't do that.

Congrats on being admitted to both VT and UMD. For high stats STEM kids in Northern Virginia, UMD is the easier admit but as has been pointed out, these are not safeties. And lest anyone gets the wrong impression, VT as a whole is plenty diverse, with 60% white. CS and engineering will be closer to 50%.

Not PP you're talking to but VT is not nearly as diverse as UMD. I say that as an Asian parent who had a child choose UMD over UVA and VT for the diversity. The stats will tell you VT is 10% Asian while UMD is 19% Asian. Big difference. As for other races, VT is 6% Hispanic. UMD is 10%. VT is 4% black. UMD is 12% black. I'm sure a black student would chose UMD over VT if they were looking for some representation. VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia.

I was interested in the actual state demographics after reading the above comment. Here they are...

State of VA
White 69%
Black 20%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 11%

State of MD
White 57%
Black 32%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 12%

Yes, but state demographics vary from the demographics of these universities as the PP had stated.

Yes, obviously. Asians are over-represented at both VT and UMD to a different degree (but as a PP stated, VA also has UVA and W&M which reduces the number of Asians at VT). The black population is significantly underrepresented at both schools (probably due to lack of educational opportunities as another PP mentioned).

I think the original PP's comment of "VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia" does not really seem to be a fair criticism unless the comment is equally applied to UMD.

MD also has Hopkins and UMBC (not to mention Towson and Layola and McDaniel). The truth is Maryland does better with diversity than Virginia. It's a former confederate state with a current Republican governor so it's not surprising.

Hopkins is an $80k/year private school not a public state university.

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland likely wins on diversity because there are black students who are given educational opportunities than in Virginia. Especially if you compare College Park to Blacksburg. College Park is close to DC and there are in-state students from local counties that could commute if they wanted to. And these students are certainly seeing UMD-CP as a local, attainable college outcome that feels close to home. Even for instate - that's a big difference from driving 4 hours to the mountains - where it's not nearly close to home (and certainly would take more funds).

Virginia has an equivalent in George Mason. It's just as diverse as UMD-BC, and just as close to DC as UMD-CP. And UMD-CP is waaaaay down this list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/campus-ethnic-diversity

That list is absolute crap.

Caltech is diverse? Have you been to Caltech? I have. It is not "diverse", not like UMDCP.

https://registrar.caltech.edu/records/enrollment-statistics

44% Asian American
41% White
7% black
19% Hispanic


UMDCP
Asian 24%
Black 13%
Hispanic 11%
White 40%

Is that list only looking at how much or little the white population is to the overall population?

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Anonymous wrote:My VA kid turned down VT for UMD but did NOT view VT as a safety. Quite honestly we weren't sure he'd get into either school. But he got into both. UMD has the diversity he wants (we're white but he's used to a much more diverse population than VT has to offer) and UMD directly admitted him to CS. VT doesn't do that.

Congrats on being admitted to both VT and UMD. For high stats STEM kids in Northern Virginia, UMD is the easier admit but as has been pointed out, these are not safeties. And lest anyone gets the wrong impression, VT as a whole is plenty diverse, with 60% white. CS and engineering will be closer to 50%.

Not PP you're talking to but VT is not nearly as diverse as UMD. I say that as an Asian parent who had a child choose UMD over UVA and VT for the diversity. The stats will tell you VT is 10% Asian while UMD is 19% Asian. Big difference. As for other races, VT is 6% Hispanic. UMD is 10%. VT is 4% black. UMD is 12% black. I'm sure a black student would chose UMD over VT if they were looking for some representation. VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia.

I was interested in the actual state demographics after reading the above comment. Here they are...

State of VA
White 69%
Black 20%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 11%

State of MD
White 57%
Black 32%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 12%

Yes, but state demographics vary from the demographics of these universities as the PP had stated.

Yes, obviously. Asians are over-represented at both VT and UMD to a different degree (but as a PP stated, VA also has UVA and W&M which reduces the number of Asians at VT). The black population is significantly underrepresented at both schools (probably due to lack of educational opportunities as another PP mentioned).

I think the original PP's comment of "VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia" does not really seem to be a fair criticism unless the comment is equally applied to UMD.

MD also has Hopkins and UMBC (not to mention Towson and Layola and McDaniel). The truth is Maryland does better with diversity than Virginia. It's a former confederate state with a current Republican governor so it's not surprising.

Hopkins is an $80k/year private school not a public state university.

Johns Hopkins has A LOT of Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland likely wins on diversity because there are black students who are given educational opportunities than in Virginia. Especially if you compare College Park to Blacksburg. College Park is close to DC and there are in-state students from local counties that could commute if they wanted to. And these students are certainly seeing UMD-CP as a local, attainable college outcome that feels close to home. Even for instate - that's a big difference from driving 4 hours to the mountains - where it's not nearly close to home (and certainly would take more funds).

Virginia has an equivalent in George Mason. It's just as diverse as UMD-BC, and just as close to DC as UMD-CP. And UMD-CP is waaaaay down this list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/campus-ethnic-diversity

That list is absolute crap.

Caltech is diverse? Have you been to Caltech? I have. It is not "diverse", not like UMDCP.

https://registrar.caltech.edu/records/enrollment-statistics

44% Asian American
41% White
7% black
19% Hispanic


UMDCP
Asian 24%
Black 13%
Hispanic 11%
White 40%

Is that list only looking at how much or little the white population is to the overall population?

It's kind of funny that you're actually claiming UMDCP is SO much more diverse than CalTech. The numbers are roughly similar, but do go on!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland likely wins on diversity because there are black students who are given educational opportunities than in Virginia. Especially if you compare College Park to Blacksburg. College Park is close to DC and there are in-state students from local counties that could commute if they wanted to. And these students are certainly seeing UMD-CP as a local, attainable college outcome that feels close to home. Even for instate - that's a big difference from driving 4 hours to the mountains - where it's not nearly close to home (and certainly would take more funds).

Virginia has an equivalent in George Mason. It's just as diverse as UMD-BC, and just as close to DC as UMD-CP. And UMD-CP is waaaaay down this list:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/campus-ethnic-diversity

That list is absolute crap.

Caltech is diverse? Have you been to Caltech? I have. It is not "diverse", not like UMDCP.

https://registrar.caltech.edu/records/enrollment-statistics

44% Asian American
41% White
7% black
19% Hispanic


UMDCP
Asian 24%
Black 13%
Hispanic 11%
White 40%

Is that list only looking at how much or little the white population is to the overall population?

It's kind of funny that you're actually claiming UMDCP is SO much more diverse than CalTech. The numbers are roughly similar, but do go on!

NP...Tad smug aren't we? Regardless, not sure you can compare these student populations. 1,000 undergrads compared to 30,000? Silly.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

Once a school reaches a yield near 50%, it tells me that it is a school that applicants are dying to attend. UVA's combo of in state tuition and academic standing is a dynamic duo.

Yawn