Looking at yield at UVA, VT, UMD, G'town, Hopkins, W&M

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Anonymous wrote:Meh, some schools don't bother yield protecting or manipulating it through the waitlist.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

Where will I find support for the premise that many in state students apply to both WM and UVA? Or maybe a link? Many kids I know attending one or the other did not apply to both. They are very different schools. And for WM, ED is raking in a huge (and growing) number of applicants. They are very different schools. If kids visit both before applying, they usually has a strong preference. I can only think of one student across both of my kids’ HS classes who had a choice between UVA and W&N in May.

Rebus you






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Well, obviously you’re not stalking your kids classmates well enough if you can only think of one.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

UVA has something like 2.7X as many undergrads. From that perspective, mathematically, it has to "win" the battle.

what does the size has anything to do in this mathematically?

If the two schools are pulling from the same pool of in-state kids with roughly the same stats and UVA has about 2.7X as many seats to fill, UVA has to have the higher yield because it needs to get over 7 out of 10 of them.

At my HS, the kids that went to W&M were UVA rejects, which colors my opinion.

My kid is out of state and has no interest in UVA only WM so that’s not always the case.

The number of morons posting on DCUM is insane. We have been talking about the yield of UVA versus William & Mary IN STATE. obviously, the situation is different out of state.

Because both schools have such good reputations and are very good deals for in-state students, many in-state students apply to both. Yes, they are very different schools and offer very different experiences but that does not mean that in state students don’t apply to both. They absolutely do. Many of them.

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Can't compare the VA publics to those privates because the in-state and out of state yield differently.

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Agree - many students apply to both.

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Anonymous wrote:My VA kid turned down VT for UMD but did NOT view VT as a safety. Quite honestly we weren't sure he'd get into either school. But he got into both. UMD has the diversity he wants (we're white but he's used to a much more diverse population than VT has to offer) and UMD directly admitted him to CS. VT doesn't do that.

Congrats on being admitted to both VT and UMD. For high stats STEM kids in Northern Virginia, UMD is the easier admit but as has been pointed out, these are not safeties. And lest anyone gets the wrong impression, VT as a whole is plenty diverse, with 60% white. CS and engineering will be closer to 50%.

Not PP you're talking to but VT is not nearly as diverse as UMD. I say that as an Asian parent who had a child choose UMD over UVA and VT for the diversity. The stats will tell you VT is 10% Asian while UMD is 19% Asian. Big difference. As for other races, VT is 6% Hispanic. UMD is 10%. VT is 4% black. UMD is 12% black. I'm sure a black student would chose UMD over VT if they were looking for some representation. VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia.

I was interested in the actual state demographics after reading the above comment. Here they are...

State of VA
White 69%
Black 20%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 11%

State of MD
White 57%
Black 32%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 12%

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Anonymous wrote:VT 47,101 applied, 26,923 admitted, acceptance rate 57%, 7,196 enroll, yield of 27%
UVA 50,941 applied, 9,504 admitted, acceptance rate 19%, 4,030 enroll, yield of 42%
UMD 56,637 applied, 25,209 admitted, acceptance rate 45%, 5,783 enroll, yield of 23%
W&M 17,548 applied, 5,741 admitted, acceptance rate 33%,1,619 enroll, yield of 28%
Georgetown 26,638 applied, 3,257 admitted, acceptance rate 12%, 1,574 enroll, yield of 48%
Johns Hopkins 37,826 applied, 2,739 admitted, acceptance rate 7%, 1,405 enroll, yield of 51%

I'm surprised to see VT, UMD and W&M yields so low. It looks like a lot applicants use those schools as a safety.

So almost a direct correlation between admissions rates and yields (information would have been more helpful reported as below):

Johns Hopkins 37,826 applied, 2,739 admitted, acceptance rate 7%, 1,405 enroll, yield of 51%
Georgetown 26,638 applied, 3,257 admitted, acceptance rate 12%, 1,574 enroll, yield of 48%
UVA 50,941 applied, 9,504 admitted, acceptance rate 19%, 4,030 enroll, yield of 42%
W&M 17,548 applied, 5,741 admitted, acceptance rate 33%,1,619 enroll, yield of 28%
UMD 56,637 applied, 25,209 admitted, acceptance rate 45%, 5,783 enroll, yield of 23%
VT 47,101 applied, 26,923 admitted, acceptance rate 57%, 7,196 enroll, yield of 27%

Not surprising that kids are more likely to attend the schools that are harder to get into. With acceptance rates of almost half or more, you can easily see that UMD and VT would be safety schools so many, hence lower yields.

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Anonymous wrote:My VA kid turned down VT for UMD but did NOT view VT as a safety. Quite honestly we weren't sure he'd get into either school. But he got into both. UMD has the diversity he wants (we're white but he's used to a much more diverse population than VT has to offer) and UMD directly admitted him to CS. VT doesn't do that.

Congrats on being admitted to both VT and UMD. For high stats STEM kids in Northern Virginia, UMD is the easier admit but as has been pointed out, these are not safeties. And lest anyone gets the wrong impression, VT as a whole is plenty diverse, with 60% white. CS and engineering will be closer to 50%.

Not PP you're talking to but VT is not nearly as diverse as UMD. I say that as an Asian parent who had a child choose UMD over UVA and VT for the diversity. The stats will tell you VT is 10% Asian while UMD is 19% Asian. Big difference. As for other races, VT is 6% Hispanic. UMD is 10%. VT is 4% black. UMD is 12% black. I'm sure a black student would chose UMD over VT if they were looking for some representation. VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia.

I was interested in the actual state demographics after reading the above comment. Here they are...

State of VA
White 69%
Black 20%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 11%

State of MD
White 57%
Black 32%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 12%

Yes, but state demographics vary from the demographics of these universities as the PP had stated.

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Anonymous wrote:My son did indeed use UMD as a safety, and he declined W&M. He went to a university that was not more selective, but was a much better fit.

So please don't discount fit, which is very individual.

+1
So many personal unknowns as to why someone would decline a school - any school.

I mean, sure, but there are also things called trends, which would impact likely a majority of students. Someone's unique personal situation isn't statistically relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:My VA kid turned down VT for UMD but did NOT view VT as a safety. Quite honestly we weren't sure he'd get into either school. But he got into both. UMD has the diversity he wants (we're white but he's used to a much more diverse population than VT has to offer) and UMD directly admitted him to CS. VT doesn't do that.

Congrats on being admitted to both VT and UMD. For high stats STEM kids in Northern Virginia, UMD is the easier admit but as has been pointed out, these are not safeties. And lest anyone gets the wrong impression, VT as a whole is plenty diverse, with 60% white. CS and engineering will be closer to 50%.

Not PP you're talking to but VT is not nearly as diverse as UMD. I say that as an Asian parent who had a child choose UMD over UVA and VT for the diversity. The stats will tell you VT is 10% Asian while UMD is 19% Asian. Big difference. As for other races, VT is 6% Hispanic. UMD is 10%. VT is 4% black. UMD is 12% black. I'm sure a black student would chose UMD over VT if they were looking for some representation. VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia.

I was interested in the actual state demographics after reading the above comment. Here they are...

State of VA
White 69%
Black 20%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 11%

State of MD
White 57%
Black 32%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 12%

dp.. But, MD has a smaller population compare to VA, so 7% of the population doesn't mean the same number of Asians in each state.

I'm guessing that since MD is so much smaller and has only one great state school, whereas VA has more good state schools to choose from, Asian kids are more likely to be dispersed around in VA than in MD.

FWIW, we are Asian in MD, and DC goes to UMD, and yes, there are a lot of Asians there. Very diverse school.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good in state students apply to both William & Mary and UVA, and many of those are accepted to both. William &
Mary’s in state yield for 22-23 was 34 percent and UVA’s was 57 percent. It’s pretty obvious that more often than not William & Mary loses the in state battle to UVA.

UVA has something like 2.7X as many undergrads. From that perspective, mathematically, it has to "win" the battle.

You obviously didn’t major in math in college.

Yield is about the percentage of admits to both who choose UVA. We’re not talking about raw numbers.

Ah, the DCUM put down. It didn't take long to surface.

Yield is not the percentage of admits to both who choose UVA. It is just applied to an individual school.

While you are correct that yield is a percentage, it is a percentage that can and is be applied to produce raw numbers. It is used to predict enrollment, for instance. What I am saying simply is that two schools drawing from the same population targeted for acceptance can have identical enrolled student stats and identical acceptance rates but different yield rates if one school is larger than the other. The smaller school will have a lower yield compared to the larger.

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Anonymous wrote:None of these schools are safety schools. Parents (and students) seem to find out the hard way every single year.

But they are financial safeties for families with strong students. The kids that have stats to get into JHU or Georgetown should have a decent chance of getting into UMD or into one of UVA/WM/VT as an instate applicant. And they are likely to apply to their instate schools because of the combination of cost/quality.

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Anonymous wrote:My VA kid turned down VT for UMD but did NOT view VT as a safety. Quite honestly we weren't sure he'd get into either school. But he got into both. UMD has the diversity he wants (we're white but he's used to a much more diverse population than VT has to offer) and UMD directly admitted him to CS. VT doesn't do that.

Congrats on being admitted to both VT and UMD. For high stats STEM kids in Northern Virginia, UMD is the easier admit but as has been pointed out, these are not safeties. And lest anyone gets the wrong impression, VT as a whole is plenty diverse, with 60% white. CS and engineering will be closer to 50%.

Not PP you're talking to but VT is not nearly as diverse as UMD. I say that as an Asian parent who had a child choose UMD over UVA and VT for the diversity. The stats will tell you VT is 10% Asian while UMD is 19% Asian. Big difference. As for other races, VT is 6% Hispanic. UMD is 10%. VT is 4% black. UMD is 12% black. I'm sure a black student would chose UMD over VT if they were looking for some representation. VT is an excellent school but diversity is not its strong suit, considering how many Asian, Hispanic, and Black people there are in the state of Virginia.

I was interested in the actual state demographics after reading the above comment. Here they are...

State of VA
White 69%
Black 20%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 11%

State of MD
White 57%
Black 32%
Asian 7%
Hispanic 12%

State level diversity and diversity at the state college are not the same thing.

Furthermore - state level diversity and diversity of college-prepared hs applicants in the state are also different. If diverse populations aren't getting similar educational opportunities, you can have a state that is highly diverse in total numbers but results in a state college population that skews white.

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Anonymous wrote:VT 47,101 applied, 26,923 admitted, acceptance rate 57%, 7,196 enroll, yield of 27%
UVA 50,941 applied, 9,504 admitted, acceptance rate 19%, 4,030 enroll, yield of 42%
UMD 56,637 applied, 25,209 admitted, acceptance rate 45%, 5,783 enroll, yield of 23%
W&M 17,548 applied, 5,741 admitted, acceptance rate 33%,1,619 enroll, yield of 28%
Georgetown 26,638 applied, 3,257 admitted, acceptance rate 12%, 1,574 enroll, yield of 48%
Johns Hopkins 37,826 applied, 2,739 admitted, acceptance rate 7%, 1,405 enroll, yield of 51%

I'm surprised to see VT, UMD and W&M yields so low. It looks like a lot applicants use those schools as a safety.

So almost a direct correlation between admissions rates and yields (information would have been more helpful reported as below):

Johns Hopkins 37,826 applied, 2,739 admitted, acceptance rate 7%, 1,405 enroll, yield of 51%
Georgetown 26,638 applied, 3,257 admitted, acceptance rate 12%, 1,574 enroll, yield of 48%
UVA 50,941 applied, 9,504 admitted, acceptance rate 19%, 4,030 enroll, yield of 42%
W&M 17,548 applied, 5,741 admitted, acceptance rate 33%,1,619 enroll, yield of 28%
UMD 56,637 applied, 25,209 admitted, acceptance rate 45%, 5,783 enroll, yield of 23%
VT 47,101 applied, 26,923 admitted, acceptance rate 57%, 7,196 enroll, yield of 27%

Not surprising that kids are more likely to attend the schools that are harder to get into. With acceptance rates of almost half or more, you can easily see that UMD and VT would be safety schools so many, hence lower yields.

Looking at acceptance rates is meaningless without comparing student profiles.

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Anonymous wrote:VT 47,101 applied, 26,923 admitted, acceptance rate 57%, 7,196 enroll, yield of 27%
UVA 50,941 applied, 9,504 admitted, acceptance rate 19%, 4,030 enroll, yield of 42%
UMD 56,637 applied, 25,209 admitted, acceptance rate 45%, 5,783 enroll, yield of 23%
W&M 17,548 applied, 5,741 admitted, acceptance rate 33%,1,619 enroll, yield of 28%
Georgetown 26,638 applied, 3,257 admitted, acceptance rate 12%, 1,574 enroll, yield of 48%
Johns Hopkins 37,826 applied, 2,739 admitted, acceptance rate 7%, 1,405 enroll, yield of 51%

I'm surprised to see VT, UMD and W&M yields so low. It looks like a lot applicants use those schools as a safety.

So almost a direct correlation between admissions rates and yields (information would have been more helpful reported as below):

Johns Hopkins 37,826 applied, 2,739 admitted, acceptance rate 7%, 1,405 enroll, yield of 51%
Georgetown 26,638 applied, 3,257 admitted, acceptance rate 12%, 1,574 enroll, yield of 48%
UVA 50,941 applied, 9,504 admitted, acceptance rate 19%, 4,030 enroll, yield of 42%
W&M 17,548 applied, 5,741 admitted, acceptance rate 33%,1,619 enroll, yield of 28%
UMD 56,637 applied, 25,209 admitted, acceptance rate 45%, 5,783 enroll, yield of 23%
VT 47,101 applied, 26,923 admitted, acceptance rate 57%, 7,196 enroll, yield of 27%

Not surprising that kids are more likely to attend the schools that are harder to get into. With acceptance rates of almost half or more, you can easily see that UMD and VT would be safety schools so many, hence lower yields.

W&M has almost the exact same yield as VT.