Jennifer Crumbley found guilty. Hope this opens the door for prosecuting parents for their children's violent crimes.

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heres another one too

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mom-newport-news-teacher-shooting-sentenced/story?id=104925730

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Anonymous wrote:Now I hope the dad is held to the same standard as mom.

Parents should absolutely be held accountable for their children’s behavior/gun access.

Same. I’m all for this but I did not miss that it was a woman charged. How many dads have not been charged for the same thing??

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Anonymous wrote:Now I hope the dad is held to the same standard as mom.

Parents should absolutely be held accountable for their children’s behavior/gun access.

Same. I’m all for this but I did not miss that it was a woman charged. How many dads have not been charged for the same thing??

This dad is charged for the same thing and goes on trial next month.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the guilty sentence was deserved. I live in DC. I would like to see parents of all the children carjacking and murdering also charged. The only hope of the U.S. is for us to demand better, more stable, more engaged parenting. Schools can't solve it all.

The pure asinine nature of this response.
Crumbled was found guilty because her actual SPECIFIC actions that facilitated her son’s crimes.
The idea of prosecuting parents just because their child commits a crime is dumbassery at its finest.
Not improve access to quality education, family supports for American families IN GENERAL, access to quality healthcare, mental healthcare, BIRTH CONTROL, quality childcare.
NOOOOOOO, your genius mind says let’s prosecute parents for their kids doing things they may have spent a lifetime telling them not to do.

DP here. Some cultures are very much against taking prescriptions, and many do not trust doctors, at all. Educate yourself.

I’ve heard discussed a theory that antidepressants and other medical interventions keep kids like this alive long enough to project their fury outwards. In other words kids like this in the absence of medical intervention just killed themselves.

Meds clear up the scattered thinking enough so that they can plan these elaborate mass killings. In the past they’d be taken out in car wrecks, ODs and suicide, victims of their disordered thinking and impulsiveness.

Where do you hear this theory discussed?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the guilty sentence was deserved. I live in DC. I would like to see parents of all the children carjacking and murdering also charged. The only hope of the U.S. is for us to demand better, more stable, more engaged parenting. Schools can't solve it all.

You can't really think those are analogous? You all are incredible.

Exactly. Obviously, only white parents should be held responsible for their kids’ crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the guilty sentence was deserved. I live in DC. I would like to see parents of all the children carjacking and murdering also charged. The only hope of the U.S. is for us to demand better, more stable, more engaged parenting. Schools can't solve it all.

You can't really think those are analogous? You all are incredible.

Exactly. Obviously, only white parents should be held responsible for their kids’ crimes.

The Black mother of the elementary school boy in VA who shot his teacher was held responsible. It isn’t a race thing, it’s a gun owner thing.

The parents of the DC carjackers should be held accountable if they give their kids guns, which I don’t think is the case. Also most of the carjacking victims haven’t died.

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I really find this verdict fascinating. I assume she will appeal, so i would like to see how far this case makes it.

It also makes me think of serial killers. So many of them come from horrific upbringings. I wonder if eventually a parent could be prosecuted for abuse that helped create a killer even if they didn't provide guns. But continually ignoring animal killers or other dangerous behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I hope the dad is held to the same standard as mom.

Parents should absolutely be held accountable for their children’s behavior/gun access.

I’m going to be LIVID if the mom is convicted and the dad is acquitted. I despise the double standard our society holds for moms vs dads, and I think some of Mrs. Crumbley’s case (the way the prosecution painted her as more concerned about an affair than her kid, for example) would NEVER have been used against a dad in the same way.

The dad bought the gun - I actually think he’s more liable than the mom. The mom wasn’t great, and she messed up big time, but so did dad and I just have a feeling he’s going to be let off. I hope I’m wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I hope the dad is held to the same standard as mom.

Parents should absolutely be held accountable for their children’s behavior/gun access.

I honestly believe this verdict will save lives. Because of this, at least a few parents of troubled teenage boys will get rid of the guns they keep in their house, or will be extra vigilant about keeping their guns locked and secured, or will simply choose to *not* buy or provide guns for them under any circumstances. It’s sad that this is what it takes, but some future shootings will be averted.

Here’s hoping. Some parents will, others will argue deep state something something. I’m relieved she was convicted. As the parent of a bipolar son who hear voices I am just sick at how these parents dealt with his illness. I was hiding kitchen knives when my son was 8 because of his violent outbursts. After years of therapy and medication he’s a working young adult living a safe and productive life.

I have no doubt had we parents ignored his needs AND BOUGHT HIM A GUN like the Crumbleys did my son would have committed a violent crime. (I think the parents were hoping he would kill himself)

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Anonymous wrote:There are many differences between Ethan Crumbley and Adam Lanza.

Adam Lanza was an adult whose had one estranged parent and one parent who was very aware of his mental health problems and tried to get him help. But because he was a legal adult, she had no way to force him to accept help. Adam Lanza's parents did not provide him with a gun, but he stole the gun from his mother.

Ethan Crumbley is a minor who had two parents who were present but ignored his issues. He had mental health issues for years, tried to make his parents aware and they ignored his pleas for help. They just called his hallucinations "joking" and poo-pooed his requests for help. They did not communicate with school about issues with him. They knew that he was a solitary troubled kid whose only friend had moved away, their family pet died. And rather than spend more time and attention on him to ensure that he was okay, the spent less time on him and more time on their own personal lives. The mother spent more time on her swinging lifestyle and her horses than she spent on him. These parents decided when he was in elementary school that they didn't need to parent or care for him and would leave him alone while they would go out drinking, leaving him for hours enough that a neighbor called CPS On them multiple times for child neglect. And then they purchased this solitary, lonely, depressed child a gun and then failed to secure it. One would think they would be more attentive under the circumstances, but they were less.

There is a huge difference in how Nancy Lanza parented and how Jennifer Crumbley parented. Nancy Lanza's situation was tragic. Jennifer Crumbley's situation was criminal.

DP here. Lanza's mom also downplayed and covered up for his behavior, making excuses instead of getting him committed. When your kid (adult or not) refuses to come out of his room, puts garbage bags over the windows, and all the other stuff that Lanza was doing - you get them committed and you get a plan in place. How much denial before he goes and kills all those innocent babies? My God. I know kids like this (not in my family), and honestly, I wonder who is next.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I hope the dad is held to the same standard as mom.

Parents should absolutely be held accountable for their children’s behavior/gun access.

I honestly believe this verdict will save lives. Because of this, at least a few parents of troubled teenage boys will get rid of the guns they keep in their house, or will be extra vigilant about keeping their guns locked and secured, or will simply choose to *not* buy or provide guns for them under any circumstances. It’s sad that this is what it takes, but some future shootings will be averted.

Here’s hoping. Some parents will, others will argue deep state something something. I’m relieved she was convicted. As the parent of a bipolar son who hear voices I am just sick at how these parents dealt with his illness. I was hiding kitchen knives when my son was 8 because of his violent outbursts. After years of therapy and medication he’s a working young adult living a safe and productive life.

I have no doubt had we parents ignored his needs AND BOUGHT HIM A GUN like the Crumbleys did my son would have committed a violent crime. (I think the parents were hoping he would kill himself)

I honestly wish that moms like you would speak publicly and often about the right things to do - and especially about not being in denial - which is the worst and most utterly dangerous part.

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and the dads.

Actually anybody that owns a gun that is used to kill someone. Brother, neighbor, stolen from your car because you didn't lock it up, taken from your home because it was not in a safe, sold to a criminal at those gun shows.

Put them all in jail.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was not a minor.

There were guns in the home while he was a minor.

So? He didn't commit his crime as a minor.

Feel free to think that it's fine to keep guns in the home when there are kids with significant mental health issues. I don't agree.

Since this issue came up, I think it should be chargeable to stick your head in the sand, and not get your minor kid the help they so obviously need. Guns are obvious, but the mentally ill can still wreak havoc, in the classroom, and elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many differences between Ethan Crumbley and Adam Lanza.

Adam Lanza was an adult whose had one estranged parent and one parent who was very aware of his mental health problems and tried to get him help. But because he was a legal adult, she had no way to force him to accept help. Adam Lanza's parents did not provide him with a gun, but he stole the gun from his mother.

Ethan Crumbley is a minor who had two parents who were present but ignored his issues. He had mental health issues for years, tried to make his parents aware and they ignored his pleas for help. They just called his hallucinations "joking" and poo-pooed his requests for help. They did not communicate with school about issues with him. They knew that he was a solitary troubled kid whose only friend had moved away, their family pet died. And rather than spend more time and attention on him to ensure that he was okay, the spent less time on him and more time on their own personal lives. The mother spent more time on her swinging lifestyle and her horses than she spent on him. These parents decided when he was in elementary school that they didn't need to parent or care for him and would leave him alone while they would go out drinking, leaving him for hours enough that a neighbor called CPS On them multiple times for child neglect. And then they purchased this solitary, lonely, depressed child a gun and then failed to secure it. One would think they would be more attentive under the circumstances, but they were less.

There is a huge difference in how Nancy Lanza parented and how Jennifer Crumbley parented. Nancy Lanza's situation was tragic. Jennifer Crumbley's situation was criminal.

DP here. Lanza's mom also downplayed and covered up for his behavior, making excuses instead of getting him committed. When your kid (adult or not) refuses to come out of his room, puts garbage bags over the windows, and all the other stuff that Lanza was doing - you get them committed and you get a plan in place. How much denial before he goes and kills all those innocent babies? My God. I know kids like this (not in my family), and honestly, I wonder who is next.

It doesn't work that way. You can't just "get them committed." They are adults with rights (more rights than their potential and actual victims!) Refusing to come out of your own room is not illegal. Putting garbage bags on windows is not illegal. Authorities can't arrest/commit someone who hasn't actually done anything harmful or illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many differences between Ethan Crumbley and Adam Lanza.

Adam Lanza was an adult whose had one estranged parent and one parent who was very aware of his mental health problems and tried to get him help. But because he was a legal adult, she had no way to force him to accept help. Adam Lanza's parents did not provide him with a gun, but he stole the gun from his mother.

Ethan Crumbley is a minor who had two parents who were present but ignored his issues. He had mental health issues for years, tried to make his parents aware and they ignored his pleas for help. They just called his hallucinations "joking" and poo-pooed his requests for help. They did not communicate with school about issues with him. They knew that he was a solitary troubled kid whose only friend had moved away, their family pet died. And rather than spend more time and attention on him to ensure that he was okay, the spent less time on him and more time on their own personal lives. The mother spent more time on her swinging lifestyle and her horses than she spent on him. These parents decided when he was in elementary school that they didn't need to parent or care for him and would leave him alone while they would go out drinking, leaving him for hours enough that a neighbor called CPS On them multiple times for child neglect. And then they purchased this solitary, lonely, depressed child a gun and then failed to secure it. One would think they would be more attentive under the circumstances, but they were less.

There is a huge difference in how Nancy Lanza parented and how Jennifer Crumbley parented. Nancy Lanza's situation was tragic. Jennifer Crumbley's situation was criminal.

DP here. Lanza's mom also downplayed and covered up for his behavior, making excuses instead of getting him committed. When your kid (adult or not) refuses to come out of his room, puts garbage bags over the windows, and all the other stuff that Lanza was doing - you get them committed and you get a plan in place. How much denial before he goes and kills all those innocent babies? My God. I know kids like this (not in my family), and honestly, I wonder who is next.

Let me assure you, as a former prosecutor who handled hundreds of involuntary commitments over the years of my career and studied the literature extensively, that Adam Lanza's behavior prior to the massacre at Sandy Hook would most likely not have met the standard for involuntary commitment to a psychiatric facility. There is a very small possibility that a judge would have seen his anorexia as posing a danger to himself (not others) and signed a commitment order, but those orders expire very quickly and since anorexia is very treatment resistant (the highest mortality rate of any mental illness), he might have been forcibly medicated for a couple of weeks then sent home angrier than he was before.

You simply do not understand how profoundly broken our mental health system is.