Jennifer Crumbley found guilty. Hope this opens the door for prosecuting parents for their children's violent crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was not a minor.

There were guns in the home while he was a minor.

So? He didn't commit his crime as a minor.

Feel free to think that it's fine to keep guns in the home when there are kids with significant mental health issues. I don't agree.

I don’t think that anyone here thinks that’s fine but she paid the ultimate price and he was in no way responsible.

How was he in no way responsible? Because he remarried, lived in another city, and had little contact with his son? I guess that's one way to avoid responsibility.

What crime do you think he should be charged with?

DP here. Good question. That mother lied and covered up like no one's business - she paid the ultimate price. She should have had him committed.

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Anonymous wrote:In most cases the parents are not guilty of any crime and there would be nothing to prosecute. Crumbley is a rare exception.

I do think laws should be enacted that hold parents civilly liable if their guns were used.

I think the Michigan victims’ families would have a great civil case against the Crumbleys as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the guilty sentence was deserved. I live in DC. I would like to see parents of all the children carjacking and murdering also charged. The only hope of the U.S. is for us to demand better, more stable, more engaged parenting. Schools can't solve it all.

The pure asinine nature of this response.
Crumbled was found guilty because her actual SPECIFIC actions that facilitated her son’s crimes.
The idea of prosecuting parents just because their child commits a crime is dumbassery at its finest.
Not improve access to quality education, family supports for American families IN GENERAL, access to quality healthcare, mental healthcare, BIRTH CONTROL, quality childcare.
NOOOOOOO, your genius mind says let’s prosecute parents for their kids doing things they may have spent a lifetime telling them not to do.

DP here. Some cultures are very much against taking prescriptions, and many do not trust doctors, at all. Educate yourself.

Idiotic and nonsensical response.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was not a minor.

There were guns in the home while he was a minor.

So? He didn't commit his crime as a minor.

Feel free to think that it's fine to keep guns in the home when there are kids with significant mental health issues. I don't agree.

I don’t think that anyone here thinks that’s fine but she paid the ultimate price and he was in no way responsible.

How was he in no way responsible? Because he remarried, lived in another city, and had little contact with his son? I guess that's one way to avoid responsibility.

What crime do you think he should be charged with?

Negligence?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was not a minor.

There were guns in the home while he was a minor.

So? He didn't commit his crime as a minor.

Feel free to think that it's fine to keep guns in the home when there are kids with significant mental health issues. I don't agree.

I don’t think that anyone here thinks that’s fine but she paid the ultimate price and he was in no way responsible.

How was he in no way responsible? Because he remarried, lived in another city, and had little contact with his son? I guess that's one way to avoid responsibility.

What crime do you think he should be charged with?

Negligence?

Of an adult? He as 20.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the guilty sentence was deserved. I live in DC. I would like to see parents of all the children carjacking and murdering also charged. The only hope of the U.S. is for us to demand better, more stable, more engaged parenting. Schools can't solve it all.

The pure asinine nature of this response.
Crumbled was found guilty because her actual SPECIFIC actions that facilitated her son’s crimes.
The idea of prosecuting parents just because their child commits a crime is dumbassery at its finest.
Not improve access to quality education, family supports for American families IN GENERAL, access to quality healthcare, mental healthcare, BIRTH CONTROL, quality childcare.
NOOOOOOO, your genius mind says let’s prosecute parents for their kids doing things they may have spent a lifetime telling them not to do.

DP here. Some cultures are very much against taking prescriptions, and many do not trust doctors, at all. Educate yourself.

Idiotic and nonsensical response.

Well, you don't have black people in your family, to know this. You especailly did not see what happened when the C19 vaccine was required to go back to some jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:On a similar note, what about the mom of the 6 YO in VA Beach who shot his teacher? She is being charged too I believe, and hopefully will serve jail time.

She has already been sentenced to jail time.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/mom-newport-news-teacher-shooting-sentenced/story?id=104925730

It's a weird charge of using marijuana while possessing a weapon. Hopefully there will be something further related to the extremely negligent / reckless possession of a firearm that a young child could access and take to school.

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There are many differences between Ethan Crumbley and Adam Lanza.

Adam Lanza was an adult whose had one estranged parent and one parent who was very aware of his mental health problems and tried to get him help. But because he was a legal adult, she had no way to force him to accept help. Adam Lanza's parents did not provide him with a gun, but he stole the gun from his mother.

Ethan Crumbley is a minor who had two parents who were present but ignored his issues. He had mental health issues for years, tried to make his parents aware and they ignored his pleas for help. They just called his hallucinations "joking" and poo-pooed his requests for help. They did not communicate with school about issues with him. They knew that he was a solitary troubled kid whose only friend had moved away, their family pet died. And rather than spend more time and attention on him to ensure that he was okay, the spent less time on him and more time on their own personal lives. The mother spent more time on her swinging lifestyle and her horses than she spent on him. These parents decided when he was in elementary school that they didn't need to parent or care for him and would leave him alone while they would go out drinking, leaving him for hours enough that a neighbor called CPS On them multiple times for child neglect. And then they purchased this solitary, lonely, depressed child a gun and then failed to secure it. One would think they would be more attentive under the circumstances, but they were less.

There is a huge difference in how Nancy Lanza parented and how Jennifer Crumbley parented. Nancy Lanza's situation was tragic. Jennifer Crumbley's situation was criminal.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the guilty sentence was deserved. I live in DC. I would like to see parents of all the children carjacking and murdering also charged. The only hope of the U.S. is for us to demand better, more stable, more engaged parenting. Schools can't solve it all.

The pure asinine nature of this response.
Crumbled was found guilty because her actual SPECIFIC actions that facilitated her son’s crimes.
The idea of prosecuting parents just because their child commits a crime is dumbassery at its finest.
Not improve access to quality education, family supports for American families IN GENERAL, access to quality healthcare, mental healthcare, BIRTH CONTROL, quality childcare.
NOOOOOOO, your genius mind says let’s prosecute parents for their kids doing things they may have spent a lifetime telling them not to do.

DP here. Some cultures are very much against taking prescriptions, and many do not trust doctors, at all. Educate yourself.

Idiotic and nonsensical response.

Well, you don't have black people in your family, to know this. You especailly did not see what happened when the C19 vaccine was required to go back to some jobs.

I am black genius and your response is still nonsensical.
But yea as a black person see how it goes for you letting your child’s crimes be cause for you to get arrested, just because.
GTFOH!

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Anonymous wrote:Now I hope the dad is held to the same standard as mom.

Parents should absolutely be held accountable for their children’s behavior/gun access.

Moms are often judged more harshly. I’m curious to hear the difference of mom vs dad.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many differences between Ethan Crumbley and Adam Lanza.

Adam Lanza was an adult whose had one estranged parent and one parent who was very aware of his mental health problems and tried to get him help. But because he was a legal adult, she had no way to force him to accept help. Adam Lanza's parents did not provide him with a gun, but he stole the gun from his mother.

Ethan Crumbley is a minor who had two parents who were present but ignored his issues. He had mental health issues for years, tried to make his parents aware and they ignored his pleas for help. They just called his hallucinations "joking" and poo-pooed his requests for help. They did not communicate with school about issues with him. They knew that he was a solitary troubled kid whose only friend had moved away, their family pet died. And rather than spend more time and attention on him to ensure that he was okay, the spent less time on him and more time on their own personal lives. The mother spent more time on her swinging lifestyle and her horses than she spent on him. These parents decided when he was in elementary school that they didn't need to parent or care for him and would leave him alone while they would go out drinking, leaving him for hours enough that a neighbor called CPS On them multiple times for child neglect. And then they purchased this solitary, lonely, depressed child a gun and then failed to secure it. One would think they would be more attentive under the circumstances, but they were less.

There is a huge difference in how Nancy Lanza parented and how Jennifer Crumbley parented. Nancy Lanza's situation was tragic. Jennifer Crumbley's situation was criminal.

I agree that the Crumbleys should be found guilty of criminal behavior and understand that Adam Lanza was an adult. Nonetheless, responsible parents do not leave an adult child or a minor child with mental health issues alone with accessible guns. Nancy Lanza did not act in a responsible way. Neither did Adam's father.

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Anonymous wrote:Cell phone forensics showed that during one of the many times the shooter texted his mom about the hallucinations he was experiencing, she was taking selfies with her horses. She didn't text her son back.

I've only read a bit about what he told his parents. So did he ever tell them about his hallucinations or just text them? And they had no response or just told him to stop joking? How in the world could they ignore that?

My DS told me he was hearing voices when he was 16. I was terrified. I was very close to taking to the ER at that very moment although he said they weren't violent or threatening. I took days off work to try to find a psychiatrist during the pandemic. He got an appointment a few weeks later and was medicated the following day. I basically didn't let him out of my sight for weeks. I cannot understand how hearing that your son was seeing/hearing things wouldn't cause any parent to seek help immediately.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I hope the dad is held to the same standard as mom.

Parents should absolutely be held accountable for their children’s behavior/gun access.

I honestly believe this verdict will save lives. Because of this, at least a few parents of troubled teenage boys will get rid of the guns they keep in their house, or will be extra vigilant about keeping their guns locked and secured, or will simply choose to *not* buy or provide guns for them under any circumstances. It’s sad that this is what it takes, but some future shootings will be averted.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still dumbfounded how the murderer's parents were not charged i the Sandy Hook shooting. It's infuriating.

These shootings nearly never occur in a vacuum, and both parents are responsible for not taking warning signs seriously.

So many parents abdicate responsibility by thinking their son could never go these lengths. The denial is massive, and I'm sure there are some parents on DCUM who are denial about their kids issues.

The mother was shot in the head four times so couldn’t really be tried by the state for anything.

Could you explain, using the well established facts of that case, under what legal theory you would have Peter Lanza prosecuted for the murderous acts of his 20-something son with whom he had not met or spoken in two years prior to the event, despite repeated efforts?

Do you have kids? Are you planning to step up and take responsibility for their every action until the day you die?

If they're minors, don't buy them guns and fast cars and give them a lot of freedom. Be a responsible parent.

Adam Lanza was not a minor.

There were guns in the home while he was a minor.

So? He didn't commit his crime as a minor.

Feel free to think that it's fine to keep guns in the home when there are kids with significant mental health issues. I don't agree.

I don’t think that anyone here thinks that’s fine but she paid the ultimate price and he was in no way responsible.

How was he in no way responsible? Because he remarried, lived in another city, and had little contact with his son? I guess that's one way to avoid responsibility.

What crime do you think he should be charged with?

DP here. Good question. That mother lied and covered up like no one's business - she paid the ultimate price. She should have had him committed.

yeah, because that works so easily and readily.

you clearly know nothing about the mental health sector in the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the guilty sentence was deserved. I live in DC. I would like to see parents of all the children carjacking and murdering also charged. The only hope of the U.S. is for us to demand better, more stable, more engaged parenting. Schools can't solve it all.

The pure asinine nature of this response.
Crumbled was found guilty because her actual SPECIFIC actions that facilitated her son’s crimes.
The idea of prosecuting parents just because their child commits a crime is dumbassery at its finest.
Not improve access to quality education, family supports for American families IN GENERAL, access to quality healthcare, mental healthcare, BIRTH CONTROL, quality childcare.
NOOOOOOO, your genius mind says let’s prosecute parents for their kids doing things they may have spent a lifetime telling them not to do.

DP here. Some cultures are very much against taking prescriptions, and many do not trust doctors, at all. Educate yourself.

I’ve heard discussed a theory that antidepressants and other medical interventions keep kids like this alive long enough to project their fury outwards. In other words kids like this in the absence of medical intervention just killed themselves.

Meds clear up the scattered thinking enough so that they can plan these elaborate mass killings. In the past they’d be taken out in car wrecks, ODs and suicide, victims of their disordered thinking and impulsiveness.