I don't trust doctors anymore

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Classist, and some magical thinking. Doctors, being people, have a range of human traits, including mediocrity. You're not magical. If half the country is mediocre, so are half the doctors (which tracks, IME)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Well, some are. Some doctors are bad at their jobs. Some are horrible human beings. But that doesn't change the fact that many of the posters in this thread are incapable of thinking rationally about their own health conditions.

And many doctors are incapable of seeing the humanity in other humans who aren't wearing white coats. Keep proving the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Classist, and some magical thinking. Doctors, being people, have a range of human traits, including mediocrity. You're not magical. If half the country is mediocre, so are half the doctors (which tracks, IME)

That would be true if doctors were selected at random from the whole population. Are you not aware that there is an admissions process to even into med school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Well, some are. Some doctors are bad at their jobs. Some are horrible human beings. But that doesn't change the fact that many of the posters in this thread are incapable of thinking rationally about their own health conditions.

And many doctors are incapable of seeing the humanity in other humans who aren't wearing white coats. Keep proving the point.

True, likely for some. For others, is it possible they develop a defense mechanism to protect themselves or to manage their communications in some difficult conversations? I don't know. But I do know in my very NON doctor job that I have built up a coping mechanism for issues in my business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

I’m with you except for the “mediocre.” That seems unnecessarily demeaning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Classist, and some magical thinking. Doctors, being people, have a range of human traits, including mediocrity. You're not magical. If half the country is mediocre, so are half the doctors (which tracks, IME)

That would be true if doctors were selected at random from the whole population. Are you not aware that there is an admissions process to even into med school?

Med school acceptance means you test well, and you can pay for a college education (and you probably do stimulant drugs). I know a lot of people who bought a college education and should ask for a refund because they clearly didn't learn much. It doesn't make you magically smarter than a plumber; that whole line of thinking is classist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh OP I understand.

Let’s see Duke University Hospital world renowned OB told me I was dying of cancer and left me with a c section scar that no one should have.

Thank god. ( I’m not religious) however this phrase fits for me second child he was on vacation and one of his students delivered my second one.

By my third child I changed OBs

Skip to age 35 diagnosis’s by Bethesda Urology who completely disregarded my history and diagnosed me incorrectly put me through tests I did not need.

I’m done with crappy doctors especially ones that make Washingon Best doctors

Now I am super careful I have a fantastic female primary and fantastic urogyn and reg gyn and cardio no more male doctors ever again

+1 no more male doctors!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

I’m with you except for the “mediocre.” That seems unnecessarily demeaning.

DP. That has become the point of the thread, hasn't it? Maybe it makes someone feel better, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Classist, and some magical thinking. Doctors, being people, have a range of human traits, including mediocrity. You're not magical. If half the country is mediocre, so are half the doctors (which tracks, IME)

A statistics class would be helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Classist, and some magical thinking. Doctors, being people, have a range of human traits, including mediocrity. You're not magical. If half the country is mediocre, so are half the doctors (which tracks, IME)

If doctors are no different than anyone else, have no particular skills or use to the training, then there is literally no reason to go to them when you are sick. Odds are the same if you approach anyone on the street for medical advice as a doctor -- 50/50 across the board.

This sounds like a true win-win. If you don't find them at all useful, then don't go to them. No more doctor shortage, no more wait times, and same outcomes. Everyone's life is easier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Classist, and some magical thinking. Doctors, being people, have a range of human traits, including mediocrity. You're not magical. If half the country is mediocre, so are half the doctors (which tracks, IME)

That would be true if doctors were selected at random from the whole population. Are you not aware that there is an admissions process to even into med school?

Med school acceptance means you test well, and you can pay for a college education (and you probably do stimulant drugs). I know a lot of people who bought a college education and should ask for a refund because they clearly didn't learn much. It doesn't make you magically smarter than a plumber; that whole line of thinking is classist.

Ok look, I'm a lawyer and I completely bullshit my way through law school. Never went to a single class. Showed up for exams and scribbled away for three hours. I'm reasonably bright and write well. It was more than enough. But I'd say about a quarter of my graduating class was legit stupid.
Medicine doesn't work the same way. Not as many students are accepted, and you can't JUST test well. And in order to graduate, you actually need to know things.
You're right that a college education means nothing. It's so easy to get in and so easy to graduate that it's no more impressive than a second high school diploma. Masters degrees are so watered down that they'll be the same way in a few more years.
But every idiot who graduates with a Bachelors degree is not getting the grades to get into med school or passing the MCAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Classist, and some magical thinking. Doctors, being people, have a range of human traits, including mediocrity. You're not magical. If half the country is mediocre, so are half the doctors (which tracks, IME)

That would be true if doctors were selected at random from the whole population. Are you not aware that there is an admissions process to even into med school?

Med school acceptance means you test well, and you can pay for a college education (and you probably do stimulant drugs). I know a lot of people who bought a college education and should ask for a refund because they clearly didn't learn much. It doesn't make you magically smarter than a plumber; that whole line of thinking is classist.

Ok look, I'm a lawyer and I completely bullshit my way through law school. Never went to a single class. Showed up for exams and scribbled away for three hours. I'm reasonably bright and write well. It was more than enough. But I'd say about a quarter of my graduating class was legit stupid.
Medicine doesn't work the same way. Not as many students are accepted, and you can't JUST test well. And in order to graduate, you actually need to know things.
You're right that a college education means nothing. It's so easy to get in and so easy to graduate that it's no more impressive than a second high school diploma. Masters degrees are so watered down that they'll be the same way in a few more years.
But every idiot who graduates with a Bachelors degree is not getting the grades to get into med school or passing the MCAT.

Testing well doesn't mean you listen well, relate well, or connect dots well, and it definitely doesn't mean you're caring or compassionate, all of which are essential to the practice of the art of medicine. Thinking "I passed my tests and have a degree now so I know everything and you don't" makes you a crappy doctor (and a jerk of a human).

You likely bullshitted your way past an LSAT, and should understand this concept, but bullshitting may be an advantage in your industry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Classist, and some magical thinking. Doctors, being people, have a range of human traits, including mediocrity. You're not magical. If half the country is mediocre, so are half the doctors (which tracks, IME)

That would be true if doctors were selected at random from the whole population. Are you not aware that there is an admissions process to even into med school?

Med school acceptance means you test well, and you can pay for a college education (and you probably do stimulant drugs). I know a lot of people who bought a college education and should ask for a refund because they clearly didn't learn much. It doesn't make you magically smarter than a plumber; that whole line of thinking is classist.

Ok look, I'm a lawyer and I completely bullshit my way through law school. Never went to a single class. Showed up for exams and scribbled away for three hours. I'm reasonably bright and write well. It was more than enough. But I'd say about a quarter of my graduating class was legit stupid.
Medicine doesn't work the same way. Not as many students are accepted, and you can't JUST test well. And in order to graduate, you actually need to know things.
You're right that a college education means nothing. It's so easy to get in and so easy to graduate that it's no more impressive than a second high school diploma. Masters degrees are so watered down that they'll be the same way in a few more years.
But every idiot who graduates with a Bachelors degree is not getting the grades to get into med school or passing the MCAT.

And in order to be good at the job, you have to remain willing to listen and learn. No doctor graduates with enough knowledge, and no amount of book learning negates the importance of treating the individual as an individual capable of participating in, and directing, their own healing. You're an attorney. I expect you to know the law better than I do. I expect you to ask me about the facts, not assume you already know, and definitely not assume you know better than me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Classist, and some magical thinking. Doctors, being people, have a range of human traits, including mediocrity. You're not magical. If half the country is mediocre, so are half the doctors (which tracks, IME)

That would be true if doctors were selected at random from the whole population. Are you not aware that there is an admissions process to even into med school?

Med school acceptance means you test well, and you can pay for a college education (and you probably do stimulant drugs). I know a lot of people who bought a college education and should ask for a refund because they clearly didn't learn much. It doesn't make you magically smarter than a plumber; that whole line of thinking is classist.

Ok look, I'm a lawyer and I completely bullshit my way through law school. Never went to a single class. Showed up for exams and scribbled away for three hours. I'm reasonably bright and write well. It was more than enough. But I'd say about a quarter of my graduating class was legit stupid.
Medicine doesn't work the same way. Not as many students are accepted, and you can't JUST test well. And in order to graduate, you actually need to know things.
You're right that a college education means nothing. It's so easy to get in and so easy to graduate that it's no more impressive than a second high school diploma. Masters degrees are so watered down that they'll be the same way in a few more years.
But every idiot who graduates with a Bachelors degree is not getting the grades to get into med school or passing the MCAT.

Testing well doesn't mean you listen well, relate well, or connect dots well, and it definitely doesn't mean you're caring or compassionate, all of which are essential to the practice of the art of medicine. Thinking "I passed my tests and have a degree now so I know everything and you don't" makes you a crappy doctor (and a jerk of a human).

You likely bullshitted your way past an LSAT, and should understand this concept, but bullshitting may be an advantage in your industry.

DP. Given that medical school and residency training consist of nothing but bookwork and tests, everything you wrote seems perfectly accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was the #1 rule I’ve told my kids when they went off to college, don’t just trust what the doctor says.

Listen and discern if it makes sense, do your own research, get a 2nd opinion.

They’ve both learned that doctors are just mediocre humans doing the best they can which is mediocre.

Also, don’t just go to anyone, get recommendations, look at their track record, interview them, don’t worry about their feelings.

Doctors are not mediocre humans. They are highly educated, often overworked and underpaid, doing the best they can. Joe the plumber and all the other high school dropouts supporting Trump and the likes are mediocre humans. 50% of this country is mediocre at best, but doctors are not in that half.

Classist, and some magical thinking. Doctors, being people, have a range of human traits, including mediocrity. You're not magical. If half the country is mediocre, so are half the doctors (which tracks, IME)

That would be true if doctors were selected at random from the whole population. Are you not aware that there is an admissions process to even into med school?

Med school acceptance means you test well, and you can pay for a college education (and you probably do stimulant drugs). I know a lot of people who bought a college education and should ask for a refund because they clearly didn't learn much. It doesn't make you magically smarter than a plumber; that whole line of thinking is classist.

No one is saying that doctors are smarter than plumbers. Hell, I'd say plumbers are far smarter since they can start working debt free at 21, instead of starting at 30 with a quarter million dollars in debt. Better hours, less stress, you don't have to deal with other people...
The point is that you wouldn't ask a doctor to fix your toilet and you wouldn't ask your plumber for medical advice. Doctors are trained in medicine. If you don't think they learn anything in medical school, don't use their services.