Post-winter break fight at B-CC warrants comment from Jawando?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw this posted. If accurate, this was a serious fight involving students with prior serious issues.

“In this fight, the principal was knocked to the ground. The head of security was too and was pinned against the wall. He’s pretty seriously injured. Unknown when/if he will return to school.

It’s three kids in the fight, one is notorious for starting fights in and around school and never attending class. He severely beat a football player last year on a sidewalk by the school - sent the player to the hospital.

Another with an ankle monitor has been expelled from Clarksburg, Whitman, and Blair - where he found the principal’s home address and threatened her daughter. The suspension for the students ends Monday, when they will be back.

Lots of threats of retaliation. Security is afraid, teachers are talking about leaving. It’s the backstory that no one is willing to talk about that makes this a big deal. 

Police couldn’t make it when 911 was called because they were at another emergency

Additionally, two BCC students are currently being held without bond for armed carjackings (they are 18); more than 10 have been arrested for carjacking related offenses this school year.

BCC kids were part of the looting of the Nike store on Bethesda Row. Then there was the fight after the WJ game.

Finally, a BCC security team member was severely beaten two years ago. A lot of violent crime issues. Not sure how this compares to other schools but a lot of issues and arrests in recent years.”

Wow. As the parent of an 8th grader at Westland, I'm a little shocked, I admit. I know MCPS has a strict policy of student privacy, but this seems like information that parents should get confirmed.

We need public schools to open special schools just for violent kids. They do not belong in normal classrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw this posted. If accurate, this was a serious fight involving students with prior serious issues.

“In this fight, the principal was knocked to the ground. The head of security was too and was pinned against the wall. He’s pretty seriously injured. Unknown when/if he will return to school.

It’s three kids in the fight, one is notorious for starting fights in and around school and never attending class. He severely beat a football player last year on a sidewalk by the school - sent the player to the hospital.

Another with an ankle monitor has been expelled from Clarksburg, Whitman, and Blair - where he found the principal’s home address and threatened her daughter. The suspension for the students ends Monday, when they will be back.

Lots of threats of retaliation. Security is afraid, teachers are talking about leaving. It’s the backstory that no one is willing to talk about that makes this a big deal. 

Police couldn’t make it when 911 was called because they were at another emergency

Additionally, two BCC students are currently being held without bond for armed carjackings (they are 18); more than 10 have been arrested for carjacking related offenses this school year.

BCC kids were part of the looting of the Nike store on Bethesda Row. Then there was the fight after the WJ game.

Finally, a BCC security team member was severely beaten two years ago. A lot of violent crime issues. Not sure how this compares to other schools but a lot of issues and arrests in recent years.”

Wow. As the parent of an 8th grader at Westland, I'm a little shocked, I admit. I know MCPS has a strict policy of student privacy, but this seems like information that parents should get confirmed.

We need public schools to open special schools just for violent kids. They do not belong in normal classrooms.

+1

This has to become the standard. We don’t tolerate violent adults in public so why should our kids have to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the union doing about all this?

There are plenty of good kids at BCC. What are there parents doing about all this?

I’m so sorry for the principal and the head of security. They were trying to stop this and keep kids safe. Very scary.

The police must be able to help somehow?

Honestly, this simply has to change. Laws without enforcement are no laws at all.

The BCC listserve is full of parents who are very frustrated over the MCPS policy that no information can be shared. It's a bad situation all around, and has been since the armed carjacking, which riled up everyone. The PTA running the listserve is equally frustrated, but understandably they cannot allow too many comments that are unconfirmed or show a student's identity. So it's a lot of recriminations all around. The BCC administration is incredibly stressed out, but they probably don't have much influence over MCPS central office. I like the Principal as a person, he's a kind man, but after observing him for a while, he's not at all up to the task. We need an enforcer, someone who can push back against the absolutely insane policies of Central Office. I also agree that the teacher's union has to better protect its members. What are they for?!?

Central Office has done many things over the years that are simply not in the best interest of students. They're off in their own bubble of DEI, and don't realize the needs of the many are more important than the needs of the few.

[Anonymous]

Are we ready to talk about the fact that the police could not respond to the fight because they were tied up elsewhere, which was a direct and consistent point of those who argued in favor of SROs being in every school?

If an SRO was in the building, admin and staff would have had support from law enforcement. Without it, they were left to fend for themselves and it wasn’t pretty. The CEO model is an abysmal failure. It’s time to admit as much as pivot accordingly.

Jawando and co. have egg on their faces.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:[We don’t tolerate violent adults in public

We do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we ready to talk about the fact that the police could not respond to the fight because they were tied up elsewhere, which was a direct and consistent point of those who argued in favor of SROs being in every school?

If an SRO was in the building, admin and staff would have had support from law enforcement. Without it, they were left to fend for themselves and it wasn’t pretty. The CEO model is an abysmal failure. It’s time to admit as much as pivot accordingly.

Jawando and co. have egg on their faces.

But if an SRO was in the building, the battling students may have been arrested and charged, which Jawando and co doesn't want as it would build up the "school to prison pipeline" (he used this term before).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we ready to talk about the fact that the police could not respond to the fight because they were tied up elsewhere, which was a direct and consistent point of those who argued in favor of SROs being in every school?

If an SRO was in the building, admin and staff would have had support from law enforcement. Without it, they were left to fend for themselves and it wasn’t pretty. The CEO model is an abysmal failure. It’s time to admit as much as pivot accordingly.

Jawando and co. have egg on their faces.

We need SROs in every school. And if a known risk is pawned off into a school, like the kid who has been at several schools already, then such kids need to come with an extra SRO automatically. This is only while we reopen special schools for aggressive kids, so they can have a last chance at an education before juvie, the streets, and a continuing life of crime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ the BCC/WJ fights have been happening for YEARS.

Our kids went to WJ (now college graduates), but there were bad fights at/after their games as well. You are naive if you think it was assaults and that it was a one-way or one-time thing

It sounds like you are not aware of the specific facts here so you should just sit down. This was discussed extensively by the families involved. It was not a figh, it was an assault. That’s based on the specific facts of this instance — I’m sure there have been fights in the past.

No, it was a fight, just like in past years (according to my WJ grads who are still in touch with students currently at the school). Only difference this time? Black kids caught on camera beating up white kids

Here is the quiet part out loud, it is always this scenario. I have yet to see any fight that involved white kids assaulting black ones in MCPS. It is purely a one way street and gets brushed under the rug and excused as systemic racism or something.

This quiet part needs to be said out loud a lot more.

The vast majority of black and hispanic kids are not violent criminals. I repeat, they are not violent criminals. But the vast majority of kids doing these violent crimes do seem to be black or hispanic.

Please prove me wrong - show me pictures of white kids in the DMV who are doing armed carjacks. Please tell me about white or asian high school students who are moved around from high school to high school and must wear an ankle monitor.

What can MCPS do? It's too late by the time these kids reach high school. I'd argue that it's getting too late by the time these kids reach kindergarten. How can MCPS solve that?

[Anonymous]

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We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

When Mark Twain was operating, black students were overrepresented at a rate more than twice the MCPS average. I don't see the BOE voting for that.

The reason SROs were removed is that the arrests they made were disproportionately POCs.

Does anyone know if they ran a regression analysis for confounding factors like income level, single parent household, etc.?

That’s not how decisions are made. Take a look at how many stakeholders actually got to weigh in on the decision to remove SROs:

https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/C2S2RR727C3F/$file/SRO%20Program%20210511.pdf

20 total, representing students, community members, school employees, and SROs. Only 3 were students, representing a school system of over 150,000.

Not very thorough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ the BCC/WJ fights have been happening for YEARS.

Our kids went to WJ (now college graduates), but there were bad fights at/after their games as well. You are naive if you think it was assaults and that it was a one-way or one-time thing

It sounds like you are not aware of the specific facts here so you should just sit down. This was discussed extensively by the families involved. It was not a figh, it was an assault. That’s based on the specific facts of this instance — I’m sure there have been fights in the past.

No, it was a fight, just like in past years (according to my WJ grads who are still in touch with students currently at the school). Only difference this time? Black kids caught on camera beating up white kids

Here is the quiet part out loud, it is always this scenario. I have yet to see any fight that involved white kids assaulting black ones in MCPS. It is purely a one way street and gets brushed under the rug and excused as systemic racism or something.

This quiet part needs to be said out loud a lot more.

The vast majority of black and hispanic kids are not violent criminals. I repeat, they are not violent criminals. But the vast majority of kids doing these violent crimes do seem to be black or hispanic.

Please prove me wrong - show me pictures of white kids in the DMV who are doing armed carjacks. Please tell me about white or asian high school students who are moved around from high school to high school and must wear an ankle monitor.

What can MCPS do? It's too late by the time these kids reach high school. I'd argue that it's getting too late by the time these kids reach kindergarten. How can MCPS solve that?

But is talking about race useful? I think people should not confuse race with economics. We can ignore race, and just focus on poverty, which is what gives rise to crime. Black and Hispanic families are significantly poorer than their White or Asian counterparts. There is generational poverty in some areas, associated with gang turfs and single motherhood, since these young men can't stick around to parent their kids. The common denominator is poverty, not anything else. Yes, poverty among non-whites has roots in racial discrimination and segregation. But discussing that won't help us treat the current problem. It may help us improve quality of life for future generations, but not this generation.

There is no definitive answer to poverty, BTW. I come from a European country with a very robust social safety net, and we still have gang-infested, crime-ridden areas with lots of single mothers raising angry, violent kids. Maybe we don't have as bad of a situation as in some places in America (and obviously, not such a dire problem with guns!), but youth violence is a concern.

I don't know what the answer is, but as a first response, definitely don't accept repeat offenders in mainstream schools. The peaceful students and adult staff deserve to feel safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ the BCC/WJ fights have been happening for YEARS.

Our kids went to WJ (now college graduates), but there were bad fights at/after their games as well. You are naive if you think it was assaults and that it was a one-way or one-time thing

It sounds like you are not aware of the specific facts here so you should just sit down. This was discussed extensively by the families involved. It was not a figh, it was an assault. That’s based on the specific facts of this instance — I’m sure there have been fights in the past.

No, it was a fight, just like in past years (according to my WJ grads who are still in touch with students currently at the school). Only difference this time? Black kids caught on camera beating up white kids

Here is the quiet part out loud, it is always this scenario. I have yet to see any fight that involved white kids assaulting black ones in MCPS. It is purely a one way street and gets brushed under the rug and excused as systemic racism or something.

This quiet part needs to be said out loud a lot more.

The vast majority of black and hispanic kids are not violent criminals. I repeat, they are not violent criminals. But the vast majority of kids doing these violent crimes do seem to be black or hispanic.

Please prove me wrong - show me pictures of white kids in the DMV who are doing armed carjacks. Please tell me about white or asian high school students who are moved around from high school to high school and must wear an ankle monitor.

What can MCPS do? It's too late by the time these kids reach high school. I'd argue that it's getting too late by the time these kids reach kindergarten. How can MCPS solve that?

The majority are black and Hispanic kids, but there are white kids who do this stuff too.

A white kid was recently arrested and removed from FCPS for exactly this kind of stuff:

https://wjla.com/amp/news/local/teen-murder-suspect-tipped-off-fairfax-county-public-school-police-ashton-inabinet-nellies-sports-bar-diamonte-lewis-killed-shot-mt-vernon-district-dc-homicide-gun-surveillance-images

[Anonymous]

I'd rather just focus on VIOLENT BEHAVIOR when it comes to school or public safety.

Addressing roots, demographics, economics, etc. is separate. Mixing the 2 or using the latter as an excuse to not act to not act on the former is creating very dangerous situations. Someone is going to have a life altering injury or possibly be killed. I don't care what their SES is or if they are purple, they need to be out of schools before things can escalate to that point.

Isn't Jawando the one who sends all his kids to private Quaker school? Have him go to BCC tomorrow when this may all pop off again. Let him take responsibility for HIS actions and model that for MoCo youth.

If I were a teacher there I'd be trying to get out. There have been a lot of violent incidents, people leaving in ambulances, etc. over past few years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are we ready to talk about the fact that the police could not respond to the fight because they were tied up elsewhere, which was a direct and consistent point of those who argued in favor of SROs being in every school?

If an SRO was in the building, admin and staff would have had support from law enforcement. Without it, they were left to fend for themselves and it wasn’t pretty. The CEO model is an abysmal failure. It’s time to admit as much as pivot accordingly.

Jawando and co. have egg on their faces.

But if an SRO was in the building, the battling students may have been arrested and charged, which Jawando and co doesn't want as it would build up the "school to prison pipeline" (he used this term before).

+1. And don’t forget that Mink will want to send them to community conferences!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd rather just focus on VIOLENT BEHAVIOR when it comes to school or public safety.

Addressing roots, demographics, economics, etc. is separate. Mixing the 2 or using the latter as an excuse to not act to not act on the former is creating very dangerous situations. Someone is going to have a life altering injury or possibly be killed. I don't care what their SES is or if they are purple, they need to be out of schools before things can escalate to that point.

Isn't Jawando the one who sends all his kids to private Quaker school? Have him go to BCC tomorrow when this may all pop off again. Let him take responsibility for HIS actions and model that for MoCo youth.

If I were a teacher there I'd be trying to get out. There have been a lot of violent incidents, people leaving in ambulances, etc. over past few years.

Please stop spreading this lie. It has already been corrected on this thread. You obviously don't care enough about this issue if you can't be bothered to read the whole thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

When Mark Twain was operating, black students were overrepresented at a rate more than twice the MCPS average. I don't see the BOE voting for that.

The reason SROs were removed is that the arrests they made were disproportionately POCs.

Does anyone know if they ran a regression analysis for confounding factors like income level, single parent household, etc.?

I’m sure they must have. County politicians tend to use this type of meticulous data analysis when making decisions on hot button issues like this one.

I just spit water all over my phone from laughing at this. Thank you.