Post-winter break fight at B-CC warrants comment from Jawando?

[Anonymous]

I teach at a different HS in MCPS and have come across kids like this. The reality is that they are not in a frame of mind to learn and are likely years behind grade level any way. They barely attend class and mostly just wander the hallways and stir up trouble. It is sad but no one at school knows what to do with them. Eventually teachers just pass them so they can graduate and leave because MCPS does not provide better options for these kids. This is one aspect of public education that feels broken and ineffective and the kids are the losers unfortunately (both the troubled kids and the regular kids who are just trying to get an education)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ the BCC/WJ fights have been happening for YEARS.

Our kids went to WJ (now college graduates), but there were bad fights at/after their games as well. You are naive if you think it was assaults and that it was a one-way or one-time thing

It sounds like you are not aware of the specific facts here so you should just sit down. This was discussed extensively by the families involved. It was not a figh, it was an assault. That’s based on the specific facts of this instance — I’m sure there have been fights in the past.

No, it was a fight, just like in past years (according to my WJ grads who are still in touch with students currently at the school). Only difference this time? Black kids caught on camera beating up white kids

Well, your kids are wrong. I talked to people who were there, and it was discussed at the WJ back to school night and the principal and head of security agreed that it was not a fight and actually publicly praised at least one of the teens who was attacked for how well they had handled the situation. You’re just wrong and are doubling down on incorrect information based on third hand knowledge. I don’t know why you’re being so insistent about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I teach at a different HS in MCPS and have come across kids like this. The reality is that they are not in a frame of mind to learn and are likely years behind grade level any way. They barely attend class and mostly just wander the hallways and stir up trouble. It is sad but no one at school knows what to do with them. Eventually teachers just pass them so they can graduate and leave because MCPS does not provide better options for these kids. This is one aspect of public education that feels broken and ineffective and the kids are the losers unfortunately (both the troubled kids and the regular kids who are just trying to get an education)

We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

[Anonymous]

What’s the purpose of Blair Ewing?

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schoolodex/schooloverview.aspx?s=55107

Is this not MCPS’s current Mark Twain equivalent? Why wouldn’t a kid like this get sent there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

When Mark Twain was operating, black students were overrepresented at a rate more than twice the MCPS average. I don't see the BOE voting for that.

The reason SROs were removed is that the arrests they made were disproportionately POCs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ the BCC/WJ fights have been happening for YEARS.

Our kids went to WJ (now college graduates), but there were bad fights at/after their games as well. You are naive if you think it was assaults and that it was a one-way or one-time thing

It sounds like you are not aware of the specific facts here so you should just sit down. This was discussed extensively by the families involved. It was not a figh, it was an assault. That’s based on the specific facts of this instance — I’m sure there have been fights in the past.

No, it was a fight, just like in past years (according to my WJ grads who are still in touch with students currently at the school). Only difference this time? Black kids caught on camera beating up white kids

Here is the quiet part out loud, it is always this scenario. I have yet to see any fight that involved white kids assaulting black ones in MCPS. It is purely a one way street and gets brushed under the rug and excused as systemic racism or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I teach at a different HS in MCPS and have come across kids like this. The reality is that they are not in a frame of mind to learn and are likely years behind grade level any way. They barely attend class and mostly just wander the hallways and stir up trouble. It is sad but no one at school knows what to do with them. Eventually teachers just pass them so they can graduate and leave because MCPS does not provide better options for these kids. This is one aspect of public education that feels broken and ineffective and the kids are the losers unfortunately (both the troubled kids and the regular kids who are just trying to get an education)

Yeah, that’s what’s really sad. There’s a small percentage of kids that need really intensive services if they have any hope of getting their lives on track. Maybe a program that combines therapy and potentially medication management with mentorship/scared straight talk from adults who were previously in gangs or incarcerated but have turned their lives around. It seems like the county/school district doesn’t care enough about these kids to actually do something that might help them, rather than just shuffle them to the next place with little to no consequences. I don’t know anything about Twain and maybe it was a crap school — but the solution isn’t just to give up. And it’s certainly not to just let them beat up their educators and fellow students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

When Mark Twain was operating, black students were overrepresented at a rate more than twice the MCPS average. I don't see the BOE voting for that.

The reason SROs were removed is that the arrests they made were disproportionately POCs.

Does anyone know if they ran a regression analysis for confounding factors like income level, single parent household, etc.?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

When Mark Twain was operating, black students were overrepresented at a rate more than twice the MCPS average. I don't see the BOE voting for that.

The reason SROs were removed is that the arrests they made were disproportionately POCs.

Jawando talking point, I assume?

“It is only a small percentage of total arrests by SROs that were initiated by the SRO. In fact, of the 269 incidents, only nine were self- initiated by the SROs themselves. That is 3% of all the arrests made by SROs in the 2019-2020 School Year.” If there’s any concern about disproportionate arrests, should we also remove school administrators? Because it seems the problem lies there.

Jawando wanted a bandaid measure so it could look like he was doing something. That’s all this ever was. Blaming SROs was the easy way to look like he was taking action.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

When Mark Twain was operating, black students were overrepresented at a rate more than twice the MCPS average. I don't see the BOE voting for that.

The reason SROs were removed is that the arrests they made were disproportionately POCs.

this kind of mentality makes me glad my kid attends a majority black school, where the admins don’t hide behind false equity concerns and instead make efforts to ensure the school is safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I teach at a different HS in MCPS and have come across kids like this. The reality is that they are not in a frame of mind to learn and are likely years behind grade level any way. They barely attend class and mostly just wander the hallways and stir up trouble. It is sad but no one at school knows what to do with them. Eventually teachers just pass them so they can graduate and leave because MCPS does not provide better options for these kids. This is one aspect of public education that feels broken and ineffective and the kids are the losers unfortunately (both the troubled kids and the regular kids who are just trying to get an education)

The problem is the elementary schools failed these kids in getting them the help they needed early on. The MS and HS try to play catch up but its too little too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

When Mark Twain was operating, black students were overrepresented at a rate more than twice the MCPS average. I don't see the BOE voting for that.

The reason SROs were removed is that the arrests they made were disproportionately POCs.

this kind of mentality makes me glad my kid attends a majority black school, where the admins don’t hide behind false equity concerns and instead make efforts to ensure the school is safe.

We have a mixed school and a minority principal and he does nothing in terms of discipline or accountability. He openly admits he doesn't care if kids leave campus, etc. even though lunch is closed. He is more of a friend than leader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

When Mark Twain was operating, black students were overrepresented at a rate more than twice the MCPS average. I don't see the BOE voting for that.

The reason SROs were removed is that the arrests they made were disproportionately POCs.

Does anyone know if they ran a regression analysis for confounding factors like income level, single parent household, etc.?

I’m sure they must have. County politicians tend to use this type of meticulous data analysis when making decisions on hot button issues like this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

When Mark Twain was operating, black students were overrepresented at a rate more than twice the MCPS average. I don't see the BOE voting for that.

The reason SROs were removed is that the arrests they made were disproportionately POCs.

this kind of mentality makes me glad my kid attends a majority black school, where the admins don’t hide behind false equity concerns and instead make efforts to ensure the school is safe.

We have a mixed school and a minority principal and he does nothing in terms of discipline or accountability. He openly admits he doesn't care if kids leave campus, etc. even though lunch is closed. He is more of a friend than leader.

Sadly, MCPS is full of too many minority admin like this. It’s disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
We had a solution for those kids: Mark Twain. Let’s bring it back.

When Mark Twain was operating, black students were overrepresented at a rate more than twice the MCPS average. I don't see the BOE voting for that.

The reason SROs were removed is that the arrests they made were disproportionately POCs.

Does anyone know if they ran a regression analysis for confounding factors like income level, single parent household, etc.?

Hahah of course not. Look at the SRO decision. They claimed too many POCs were being arrested at school. Notice they never mentioned if these arrests were valid. Probably because they indeed were. We didn't hear anyone claiming that they were false arrests, or that the majority of those arrested had the charges dropped. I wonder why...?