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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason why many people are upset isn’t the hairsplitting of if “intifada” can be defined as genocide.

It is extreme discrimination or selective application of free speech by these universities. For example, Harvard specifically punishes students for making racist comments in private chats by rescinding their offers of admission.

Yet now Harvard welcomes free speech when the speech is calling for the death (if not outright genocide) of Jews.

Other universities have either fired or pushed out professors for having controversial or unpopular viewpoints that were in no way violent. In one incident, a professor was fired for showing a painting of Mohammad after informing students they would see such images.

It is complete hypocrisy and it is dangerous and wrong.

Because here there is one perpetrator that has killed WAY, WAY, more people than the other perpetrator.
"You started it" doesn't allow you to crush your opponent with a ratio of 10:1 deaths. Especially as historically, "You started it" is actually the Israelis.

I really don't think it's properly sunk in that Israel has killed so many more Palestinians since their nation's Independence than Hamas (or other) has killed Israelis.

Recent numbers -
From 2008 to 2023: about 5,500 Palestinian deaths to 260 Israelis.
From Oct 7th, 2023, until today: about 16,000 Palestinian deaths to 1,600 Israelis.

Ratio from this year: 10:1

1 in 200 Gazans have died. Do you want those odds? I didn't think so. Have Israelis ever faced those odds in the Middle East? Never.

THAT IS GENOCIDE.

Israel will claim that it merely wants to destroy Hamas.
But what it's doing it destroying the Palestinian people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thus far, a 6yo American-born, Palestinian child was stabbed to death along w/ his mother by someone who had previously befriended them...after the president of the United States had no compunction about telling disgusting lies for Israel, but immediately questions the Palestinian death toll (as if he gives a damn whatever the number of dead children/civilians), despite the Palestinian numbers being accurate over the *years* when Israel murders Palestinians. Three Palestinian-American students were shot with one being paralyzed. A congressman has proposed banning/throwing out Palestinians from the country. Another showed up in an IDF uniform in Congress and compared all Palestinians to Nazis essentially saying even the kids deserved to be killed. FL is censoring anyone who speaks out for Palestinians, students have been doxxed and blacklisted for ANY show of support for Palestine (it's BS that it's about "antisemitism" a word rendered meaningless by Zionists). We have a former state dept official harassing a Halal Cart guy who said 4000 dead CHILDREN wasn't enough. This is someone who worked ON Isr-Pal for several presidents and he is no anomaly within the govt. And the media has endlessly dehumanized Palestinians (over YEARS). Will we be getting any committee to address any of it? Had even ONE of those things happened to someone Jewish, Congress wouldn't STFU about it. The fact is that Zionists do themselves no favor by acting as though Jews are being targeted 24/7 while Palestinians or Muslims get some "free ride" in this country. College students have access to actual history within seconds. They have YEARS of videos/documentaries showing the behavior of Israel from its very inception that were never readily available to generations before them, so they know now for how many years Israel w/ blind US fealty, endless vetoes at the UN, blank checks from Congress to go along w/ years of resolutions and some of the most vile language that is allowed towards Arabs/Muslims has LED to an Oct 7. Nothing infuriates me more than hearing about "rape" and "torture" by Hamas when that behavior is the very reason Israel exists. How do you think a Hamas even comes about? Because Igrun, Lehi, Stern Gang and Hagana existed LONG BEFORE Oct 7. You can watch documentaries on YT of old Zionist Jews laughing about raping Palestinian teens and burning them alive. That's what college kids are learning. They're learning this conflict ISN'T complicated, it's that their parents and grandparents have been fed the same tired lies about Israel "defending" itself for decades. And while the older, ignorant, buffoonish generations repeat the lies about "Palestinians turning down peace deals," the younger, so-called "brain-washed" generation very quickly learn the actual DETAILS of those supposed "deals."

Aside from your inability to use paragraphs or write coherently, your overt ageism makes you sound flat-out idiotic.

I think the worst thing about our Gen Z guest's rambling post is the contention that social media offers access to reliable "access to actual history within seconds". No wonder he/she believes "this conflict isn't complicated"!! Our society has clearly failed this whole generation's education.

Seriously. How embarrassing for PP.

[Anonymous]

The testimony by the college presidents was 1930's Germany bone chilling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thus far, a 6yo American-born, Palestinian child was stabbed to death along w/ his mother by someone who had previously befriended them...after the president of the United States had no compunction about telling disgusting lies for Israel, but immediately questions the Palestinian death toll (as if he gives a damn whatever the number of dead children/civilians), despite the Palestinian numbers being accurate over the *years* when Israel murders Palestinians. Three Palestinian-American students were shot with one being paralyzed. A congressman has proposed banning/throwing out Palestinians from the country. Another showed up in an IDF uniform in Congress and compared all Palestinians to Nazis essentially saying even the kids deserved to be killed. FL is censoring anyone who speaks out for Palestinians, students have been doxxed and blacklisted for ANY show of support for Palestine (it's BS that it's about "antisemitism" a word rendered meaningless by Zionists). We have a former state dept official harassing a Halal Cart guy who said 4000 dead CHILDREN wasn't enough. This is someone who worked ON Isr-Pal for several presidents and he is no anomaly within the govt. And the media has endlessly dehumanized Palestinians (over YEARS). Will we be getting any committee to address any of it? Had even ONE of those things happened to someone Jewish, Congress wouldn't STFU about it. The fact is that Zionists do themselves no favor by acting as though Jews are being targeted 24/7 while Palestinians or Muslims get some "free ride" in this country. College students have access to actual history within seconds. They have YEARS of videos/documentaries showing the behavior of Israel from its very inception that were never readily available to generations before them, so they know now for how many years Israel w/ blind US fealty, endless vetoes at the UN, blank checks from Congress to go along w/ years of resolutions and some of the most vile language that is allowed towards Arabs/Muslims has LED to an Oct 7. Nothing infuriates me more than hearing about "rape" and "torture" by Hamas when that behavior is the very reason Israel exists. How do you think a Hamas even comes about? Because Igrun, Lehi, Stern Gang and Hagana existed LONG BEFORE Oct 7. You can watch documentaries on YT of old Zionist Jews laughing about raping Palestinian teens and burning them alive. That's what college kids are learning. They're learning this conflict ISN'T complicated, it's that their parents and grandparents have been fed the same tired lies about Israel "defending" itself for decades. And while the older, ignorant, buffoonish generations repeat the lies about "Palestinians turning down peace deals," the younger, so-called "brain-washed" generation very quickly learn the actual DETAILS of those supposed "deals."

Aside from your inability to use paragraphs or write coherently, your overt ageism makes you sound flat-out idiotic.

I think the worst thing about our Gen Z guest's rambling post is the contention that social media offers access to reliable "access to actual history within seconds". No wonder he/she believes "this conflict isn't complicated"!! Our society has clearly failed this whole generation's education.

Seriously. How embarrassing for PP.

Gen Z PP won't have the wisdom (or, apparently the education) to be embarrassed. You remember what it was like to be so sure you know everything, right? How many years did it take before you realized how little you actually know?

We should totally raise the voting age, btw. Look who we're inviting to make decisions now ^^^

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The presidents answered these questions inelegantly.

Maybe Stefanik will be free to criticize the domestic US terrorists?

Yup. I am super liberal and worked on Capitol Hill as a lawyer. I have prepped many witnesses. It was clear whoever represents these 3 elite universities on the Hill did not prep their respective University Presidents. They all seemed " too cool for school", elite ,and too lawyerly.
Our witness prep sessions used to be fierce on the Democratic side..called " wood-shedding". We trained witnesses how to answer difficult questions and how to be approachable and likeable when necessary. I am embarrassed as a professional woman as to how badly these women did. And, I have never been impressed with the " professorial bunch". .." Those who can..do...those who can't...teach.

Elise Steven I'm is a total hypocrite though. She never denounced Jan 6 and is a fat election denier like Uncle Orange Trump. She denied the election results. She never bothered to go to law school, but pretended to be one at the hearings. Galling.

drinking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The testimony by the college presidents was 1930's Germany bone chilling.

This is OTT.

I am Jewish and we have spent years listening to Rs tell us that campus speech codes are for snowflakes and now when they want to weaponize anti-semitism all of a sudden they discover the limits of free speech on campus?

I don’t know what the answer is — a university deciding that they will act consistent with the first amendment in regulating speech may not be ideal but it’s hardly the return of the third reich.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thus far, a 6yo American-born, Palestinian child was stabbed to death along w/ his mother by someone who had previously befriended them...after the president of the United States had no compunction about telling disgusting lies for Israel, but immediately questions the Palestinian death toll (as if he gives a damn whatever the number of dead children/civilians), despite the Palestinian numbers being accurate over the *years* when Israel murders Palestinians. Three Palestinian-American students were shot with one being paralyzed. A congressman has proposed banning/throwing out Palestinians from the country. Another showed up in an IDF uniform in Congress and compared all Palestinians to Nazis essentially saying even the kids deserved to be killed. FL is censoring anyone who speaks out for Palestinians, students have been doxxed and blacklisted for ANY show of support for Palestine (it's BS that it's about "antisemitism" a word rendered meaningless by Zionists). We have a former state dept official harassing a Halal Cart guy who said 4000 dead CHILDREN wasn't enough. This is someone who worked ON Isr-Pal for several presidents and he is no anomaly within the govt. And the media has endlessly dehumanized Palestinians (over YEARS). Will we be getting any committee to address any of it? Had even ONE of those things happened to someone Jewish, Congress wouldn't STFU about it. The fact is that Zionists do themselves no favor by acting as though Jews are being targeted 24/7 while Palestinians or Muslims get some "free ride" in this country. College students have access to actual history within seconds. They have YEARS of videos/documentaries showing the behavior of Israel from its very inception that were never readily available to generations before them, so they know now for how many years Israel w/ blind US fealty, endless vetoes at the UN, blank checks from Congress to go along w/ years of resolutions and some of the most vile language that is allowed towards Arabs/Muslims has LED to an Oct 7. Nothing infuriates me more than hearing about "rape" and "torture" by Hamas when that behavior is the very reason Israel exists. How do you think a Hamas even comes about? Because Igrun, Lehi, Stern Gang and Hagana existed LONG BEFORE Oct 7. You can watch documentaries on YT of old Zionist Jews laughing about raping Palestinian teens and burning them alive. That's what college kids are learning. They're learning this conflict ISN'T complicated, it's that their parents and grandparents have been fed the same tired lies about Israel "defending" itself for decades. And while the older, ignorant, buffoonish generations repeat the lies about "Palestinians turning down peace deals," the younger, so-called "brain-washed" generation very quickly learn the actual DETAILS of those supposed "deals."

Aside from your inability to use paragraphs or write coherently, your overt ageism makes you sound flat-out idiotic.

I think the worst thing about our Gen Z guest's rambling post is the contention that social media offers access to reliable "access to actual history within seconds". No wonder he/she believes "this conflict isn't complicated"!! Our society has clearly failed this whole generation's education.

I think the worst thing is that you actually didn’t understand the post. Gen Z isn’t getting their information from social media. The college students are reading up on history as it actually played out and making up their own minds. You tube videos showing actual video coverage of IDF soldiers mocking Palestinians isn’t ‘social media’. It’s actually evidence of what has been taking place in that region.

And to the PP, it’s so sad that instead of acknowledging the facts mentioned in the post, you resorted to a cheap attack on the usage of paragraphs. That actually makes you a flat out imbecile filled with hatred and contempt for the Palestinians. You just don’t want to acknowledge their humanity and are willing to keep your eyes and ears closed till you die.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The testimony by the college presidents was 1930's Germany bone chilling.

This is OTT.

I am Jewish and we have spent years listening to Rs tell us that campus speech codes are for snowflakes and now when they want to weaponize anti-semitism all of a sudden they discover the limits of free speech on campus?

I don’t know what the answer is — a university deciding that they will act consistent with the first amendment in regulating speech may not be ideal but it’s hardly the return of the third reich.

Did you watch their testimonies? I’m not Jewish, but I found them very disturbing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason why many people are upset isn’t the hairsplitting of if “intifada” can be defined as genocide.

It is extreme discrimination or selective application of free speech by these universities. For example, Harvard specifically punishes students for making racist comments in private chats by rescinding their offers of admission.

Yet now Harvard welcomes free speech when the speech is calling for the death (if not outright genocide) of Jews.

Other universities have either fired or pushed out professors for having controversial or unpopular viewpoints that were in no way violent. In one incident, a professor was fired for showing a painting of Mohammad after informing students they would see such images.

It is complete hypocrisy and it is dangerous and wrong.

Because here there is one perpetrator that has killed WAY, WAY, more people than the other perpetrator.
"You started it" doesn't allow you to crush your opponent with a ratio of 10:1 deaths. Especially as historically, "You started it" is actually the Israelis.

I really don't think it's properly sunk in that Israel has killed so many more Palestinians since their nation's Independence than Hamas (or other) has killed Israelis.

Recent numbers -
From 2008 to 2023: about 5,500 Palestinian deaths to 260 Israelis.
From Oct 7th, 2023, until today: about 16,000 Palestinian deaths to 1,600 Israelis.

Ratio from this year: 10:1

1 in 200 Gazans have died. Do you want those odds? I didn't think so. Have Israelis ever faced those odds in the Middle East? Never.

THAT IS GENOCIDE.

Israel will claim that it merely wants to destroy Hamas.
But what it's doing it destroying the Palestinian people.

Please try to stay on topic. I know it’s hard.

Your comment is completely unrelated to the topic of double standards at elite American universities

Unless your point is that double standards are good when they support your side and bad when they don’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thus far, a 6yo American-born, Palestinian child was stabbed to death along w/ his mother by someone who had previously befriended them...after the president of the United States had no compunction about telling disgusting lies for Israel, but immediately questions the Palestinian death toll (as if he gives a damn whatever the number of dead children/civilians), despite the Palestinian numbers being accurate over the *years* when Israel murders Palestinians. Three Palestinian-American students were shot with one being paralyzed. A congressman has proposed banning/throwing out Palestinians from the country. Another showed up in an IDF uniform in Congress and compared all Palestinians to Nazis essentially saying even the kids deserved to be killed. FL is censoring anyone who speaks out for Palestinians, students have been doxxed and blacklisted for ANY show of support for Palestine (it's BS that it's about "antisemitism" a word rendered meaningless by Zionists). We have a former state dept official harassing a Halal Cart guy who said 4000 dead CHILDREN wasn't enough. This is someone who worked ON Isr-Pal for several presidents and he is no anomaly within the govt. And the media has endlessly dehumanized Palestinians (over YEARS). Will we be getting any committee to address any of it? Had even ONE of those things happened to someone Jewish, Congress wouldn't STFU about it. The fact is that Zionists do themselves no favor by acting as though Jews are being targeted 24/7 while Palestinians or Muslims get some "free ride" in this country. College students have access to actual history within seconds. They have YEARS of videos/documentaries showing the behavior of Israel from its very inception that were never readily available to generations before them, so they know now for how many years Israel w/ blind US fealty, endless vetoes at the UN, blank checks from Congress to go along w/ years of resolutions and some of the most vile language that is allowed towards Arabs/Muslims has LED to an Oct 7. Nothing infuriates me more than hearing about "rape" and "torture" by Hamas when that behavior is the very reason Israel exists. How do you think a Hamas even comes about? Because Igrun, Lehi, Stern Gang and Hagana existed LONG BEFORE Oct 7. You can watch documentaries on YT of old Zionist Jews laughing about raping Palestinian teens and burning them alive. That's what college kids are learning. They're learning this conflict ISN'T complicated, it's that their parents and grandparents have been fed the same tired lies about Israel "defending" itself for decades. And while the older, ignorant, buffoonish generations repeat the lies about "Palestinians turning down peace deals," the younger, so-called "brain-washed" generation very quickly learn the actual DETAILS of those supposed "deals."

Aside from your inability to use paragraphs or write coherently, your overt ageism makes you sound flat-out idiotic.

I think the worst thing about our Gen Z guest's rambling post is the contention that social media offers access to reliable "access to actual history within seconds". No wonder he/she believes "this conflict isn't complicated"!! Our society has clearly failed this whole generation's education.

I think the worst thing is that you actually didn’t understand the post. Gen Z isn’t getting their information from social media. The college students are reading up on history as it actually played out and making up their own minds. You tube videos showing actual video coverage of IDF soldiers mocking Palestinians isn’t ‘social media’. It’s actually evidence of what has been taking place in that region.

And to the PP, it’s so sad that instead of acknowledging the facts mentioned in the post, you resorted to a cheap attack on the usage of paragraphs. That actually makes you a flat out imbecile filled with hatred and contempt for the Palestinians. You just don’t want to acknowledge their humanity and are willing to keep your eyes and ears closed till you die.

Huh. I would dearly like to know where one gets "history as it actually played out" and how anyone can be so sure You Tube videos show "actual evidence of what has been taking place." Because I took a lotta historiography classes in grad school and can tell you that's not how any source works.

I do commend you for learning about paragraphs, though. Now please work on critical thinking skills, because you, my young friend, are clearly the most useful of "useful idiots".

[Anonymous]

I have a classic movie recommendation for our Gen Z visitor: "Rashomon".

Watch it, please, before you swallow any media, social or otherwise, uncritically again: https://www.amazon.com/Rashomon-English-Subtitled-Toshiro-Mifune/dp/B004D3ICOG

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a classic movie recommendation for our Gen Z visitor: "Rashomon".

Watch it, please, before you swallow any media, social or otherwise, uncritically again: https://www.amazon.com/Rashomon-English-Subtitled-Toshiro-Mifune/dp/B004D3ICOG

And if no one ever made you watch it in history class, or if you've never had to take a class specifically called a history class, then I just have no words...

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Anonymous wrote:Op here, I guess my question is with the premise- is antifadah genocide?

I understand it means violent resistance, whether that is rocks or something more. I wouldn’t have understood it to be genocide.

I suppose the term is loose and can include a lot of things, but I wasn’t sure why the presidents didn’t simply reject her premise.

They are screaming “globalize the intifada” meaning that globally people should violently resist or “shake off”. Who do you think people are going to “shake off” globally? Innocent Jews, hence the genocide.

What is the difference between that and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and no denunciation of that? The Palestinian holocaust is happening right now not is some imagine future hypothetical situation.

I have to assume you are joking

Why would it be a joke? The first amendment gives everyone the right to say whatever they want as long as they are not causing actual harm to anyone. The first amendment guarantees free speech and allows students to speak up against the Palestinian genocide currently taking place. If you are so threatened by the students exposing Israel’s war crimes that’s your problem not a constitutional one.

Why don’t people ever understand the First Amendment? It just keeps the government from suppressing speech, and it never protects you from the consequences of what you say.

I think you are the one who doesn’t understand the first amendment. It allows anyone to say whatever they want without causing actual harm and the government or any private entity cannot bring then to court. It’s an individual right. Also what are the consequences of their speech? In fact the only consequences I have seen so far in the news are a 6 yr old stabbed to death and three teenagers shot at in Vermont.

Why do you think I was saying Harvard could take anyone to court for speech? Did I say anything about jailing or fining anyone? Don’t put words in my mouth.

But it’s interesting that you refuse to acknowledge any hate crimes against Jewish people in the US. I can see that you are ill-informed. There are clearly two sides to this conflict, and to dismiss either one out of hand is a sign of limited knowledge.

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Anonymous wrote:Good.

Good riddance to him. Since 10/7 Jewish donors have been flexing and threatening donations to politicians and universities, America is not owned by a select few fund managers just because they have big money, I have the whole thing utterly distasteful and disgusting . Let your morals and actions talk for you, not your money.

Wow, PP. That you don't see how antisemitic *your* comment is is really disturbing. You're about a half step from Jewish space lasers.

Where was the antisemitism there? Dude is indeed a fund manager and maybe a university shouldn’t decide what’s right based on what wealthy donors dictate? Jewish publication recently had an article about how Qatar is “buying the Ivy League.” Is that anti-Arab?

You are complaining that monied Jewish interests are exercising an outsized influence on the American government. You even suggested that they "own" America. It's a miracle you didn't mention the Rothschilds by name. If you don't see how antisemitic that is, I suggest you read some history. Good lord.

I wasn’t the same poster and you’re dodging the question. If you don’t see how it’s not antisemitic, I suggest you go read some history. And then do some mental backflips to figure out how it’s not the same to gripe about Arab money in the Ivy League. Personally I’m not offended by anyone criticizing the outsized influence of donors.

[Anonymous]

To be clear, Israel needs to stop. But to say anti semitism isn't factoring into the level of outrage is just false.
For example: the US dropped on average SEVENTY TWO bombs per DAY in 2016, equalling 26,171 that year alone in total on Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan. 22,110 in 2015. And the death toll in the middle east from post 9/11 conflict is at least half a million civilians directly killed by US airstrikes or military and around 4.5m who died overall for adjacent reasons. Where was the widespread internal outrage then? Where were the giant protests on campus against Obama (who I voted for)?
There is objectively a far far far higher rate of outrage directed at Israel than there is for other scenarios with far higher death tolls, and anyone who claims racism is not at play is either lying to us or lying to themselves.