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I can’t find the article but is this the same guy who wants Penn to increase Jewish enrollment to 30% or was that another of these “big donors”?

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to pstop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

Even if you want to say that the word intafada is open to interpretation, when Stefanik asked the clarifying question, if “calling for the genocide of Jews” was against the universities' code of conduct as it relates to hate speech, the answer was "it depends on the context." Now switch the word Jews for any other group and say that sentence aloud and ask yourself if that's hate speech.

But that’s the issue right there. No one has called for the genocide of Jews. The word intifada is open to interpretation and the phrase from the river to the sea does not mean the genocide of Jews either. So why give a specific meaning to some word or phrase when there is no such meaning associated with it. The only reason I can think of is they want to suppress free speech and silence the voices of thousands of students.

And yes if they were saying kill all the Jews or explicitly call out for the genocide of all Jews, that would indeed be very problematic and be considered hate speech.

And I can’t believe you all are supporting Stefanik. That woman is always up to no good and always intent on doing cheap publicity stunts.

You are being deeply disingenuous. Stefanik asked whether calls for Jewish genocide violated the various student codes of conduct. None of them answered yes. We can disagree whether intifada means genocide or not, but that isn't the point.

You claim that no one has called for the genocide of Jews. Let's assume that's true - it's irrelevant. These three university presidents said that calls for Jewish genocide wouldn't necessarily be against student conduct rules. That's appalling - particularly in light of the recent focus on microaggressions (!!!), which I woudl hope we can all agree are significantly less harmful than calls for genocide.

I am a liberal democrat, and I think Stefanik is a deeply disingenuous MAGA goon. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. One of the surest signs that someone is a close-minded partisan not interested in a rational discussion, but in defending a particular point of view or speaker is refusal to consider that people they normally may disagree with have made a good point. I invite you to go back and reread your own posts in light of that.

Calls for genocide of Jews is hate speech. It’s not my fault if the university presidents didn’t acknowledge that. But there have absolutely been NO calls of Jewish genocide in these rallies. There have been calls for ceasefires and for Israel to stop bombing children and engaging in continual land grab. Maybe the university presidents didn’t acknowledge that because these calls never actually happened. Again saying intifada and from the river to the sea does NOT mean genocide of Jews. I’m sorry you cannot comprehend that and feel so threatened by such statement which in their true essence just mean resistance to the occupation and equal rights for the Palestinians.

That's your opinion. It is absolutely not universally held. For example:

https://apnews.com/article/river-sea-israel-gaza-hamas-protests-d7abbd756f481fe50b6fa5c0b907cd49

I would note that given the slogan has been adopted by Hamas, it's difficult to swallow that it's a call for "peaceful coexistence."

And regardless, it's a diversion from the issue in this thread - absurd testimony of the university presidents, and the double standards they apply to speech based on who is saying it, and who it attacks.

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Good riddance to him. Since 10/7 Jewish donors have been flexing and threatening donations to politicians and universities, America is not owned by a select few fund managers just because they have big money, I have the whole thing utterly distasteful and disgusting . Let your morals and actions talk for you, not your money.

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Anonymous wrote:Good.

Good riddance to him. Since 10/7 Jewish donors have been flexing and threatening donations to politicians and universities, America is not owned by a select few fund managers just because they have big money, I have the whole thing utterly distasteful and disgusting . Let your morals and actions talk for you, not your money.

Wow, PP. That you don't see how antisemitic *your* comment is is really disturbing. You're about a half step from Jewish space lasers.

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Anonymous wrote:Good.

Good riddance to him. Since 10/7 Jewish donors have been flexing and threatening donations to politicians and universities, America is not owned by a select few fund managers just because they have big money, I have the whole thing utterly distasteful and disgusting . Let your morals and actions talk for you, not your money.

Wow, PP. That you don't see how antisemitic *your* comment is is really disturbing. You're about a half step from Jewish space lasers.

Where was the antisemitism there? Dude is indeed a fund manager and maybe a university shouldn’t decide what’s right based on what wealthy donors dictate? Jewish publication recently had an article about how Qatar is “buying the Ivy League.” Is that anti-Arab?

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Anonymous wrote:Good.

Good riddance to him. Since 10/7 Jewish donors have been flexing and threatening donations to politicians and universities, America is not owned by a select few fund managers just because they have big money, I have the whole thing utterly distasteful and disgusting . Let your morals and actions talk for you, not your money.

Wow, PP. That you don't see how antisemitic *your* comment is is really disturbing. You're about a half step from Jewish space lasers.

Where was the antisemitism there? Dude is indeed a fund manager and maybe a university shouldn’t decide what’s right based on what wealthy donors dictate? Jewish publication recently had an article about how Qatar is “buying the Ivy League.” Is that anti-Arab?

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https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/yale-qatar-ivy-league

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Thus far, a 6yo American-born, Palestinian child was stabbed to death along w/ his mother by someone who had previously befriended them...after the president of the United States had no compunction about telling disgusting lies for Israel, but immediately questions the Palestinian death toll (as if he gives a damn whatever the number of dead children/civilians), despite the Palestinian numbers being accurate over the *years* when Israel murders Palestinians. Three Palestinian-American students were shot with one being paralyzed. A congressman has proposed banning/throwing out Palestinians from the country. Another showed up in an IDF uniform in Congress and compared all Palestinians to Nazis essentially saying even the kids deserved to be killed. FL is censoring anyone who speaks out for Palestinians, students have been doxxed and blacklisted for ANY show of support for Palestine (it's BS that it's about "antisemitism" a word rendered meaningless by Zionists). We have a former state dept official harassing a Halal Cart guy who said 4000 dead CHILDREN wasn't enough. This is someone who worked ON Isr-Pal for several presidents and he is no anomaly within the govt. And the media has endlessly dehumanized Palestinians (over YEARS). Will we be getting any committee to address any of it? Had even ONE of those things happened to someone Jewish, Congress wouldn't STFU about it. The fact is that Zionists do themselves no favor by acting as though Jews are being targeted 24/7 while Palestinians or Muslims get some "free ride" in this country. College students have access to actual history within seconds. They have YEARS of videos/documentaries showing the behavior of Israel from its very inception that were never readily available to generations before them, so they know now for how many years Israel w/ blind US fealty, endless vetoes at the UN, blank checks from Congress to go along w/ years of resolutions and some of the most vile language that is allowed towards Arabs/Muslims has LED to an Oct 7. Nothing infuriates me more than hearing about "rape" and "torture" by Hamas when that behavior is the very reason Israel exists. How do you think a Hamas even comes about? Because Igrun, Lehi, Stern Gang and Hagana existed LONG BEFORE Oct 7. You can watch documentaries on YT of old Zionist Jews laughing about raping Palestinian teens and burning them alive. That's what college kids are learning. They're learning this conflict ISN'T complicated, it's that their parents and grandparents have been fed the same tired lies about Israel "defending" itself for decades. And while the older, ignorant, buffoonish generations repeat the lies about "Palestinians turning down peace deals," the younger, so-called "brain-washed" generation very quickly learn the actual DETAILS of those supposed "deals."

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Anonymous wrote:Good.

Good riddance to him. Since 10/7 Jewish donors have been flexing and threatening donations to politicians and universities, America is not owned by a select few fund managers just because they have big money, I have the whole thing utterly distasteful and disgusting . Let your morals and actions talk for you, not your money.

Yes! Good riddance! Now YOU can pick up that tab.

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Anonymous wrote:The presidents answered these questions inelegantly.

Maybe Stefanik will be free to criticize the domestic US terrorists?

Yup. I am super liberal and worked on Capitol Hill as a lawyer. I have prepped many witnesses. It was clear whoever represents these 3 elite universities on the Hill did not prep their respective University Presidents. They all seemed " too cool for school", elite ,and too lawyerly.
Our witness prep sessions used to be fierce on the Democratic side..called " wood-shedding". We trained witnesses how to answer difficult questions and how to be approachable and likeable when necessary. I am embarrassed as a professional woman as to how badly these women did. And, I have never been impressed with the " professorial bunch". .." Those who can..do...those who can't...teach.

Elise Steven I'm is a total hypocrite though. She never denounced Jan 6 and is a fat election denier like Uncle Orange Trump. She denied the election results. She never bothered to go to law school, but pretended to be one at the hearings. Galling.

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^ Elise Stephanie is a hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:Good.

Good riddance to him. Since 10/7 Jewish donors have been flexing and threatening donations to politicians and universities, America is not owned by a select few fund managers just because they have big money, I have the whole thing utterly distasteful and disgusting . Let your morals and actions talk for you, not your money.

Wow, PP. That you don't see how antisemitic *your* comment is is really disturbing. You're about a half step from Jewish space lasers.

Where was the antisemitism there? Dude is indeed a fund manager and maybe a university shouldn’t decide what’s right based on what wealthy donors dictate? Jewish publication recently had an article about how Qatar is “buying the Ivy League.” Is that anti-Arab?

You are complaining that monied Jewish interests are exercising an outsized influence on the American government. You even suggested that they "own" America. It's a miracle you didn't mention the Rothschilds by name. If you don't see how antisemitic that is, I suggest you read some history. Good lord.

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Anonymous wrote:Thus far, a 6yo American-born, Palestinian child was stabbed to death along w/ his mother by someone who had previously befriended them...after the president of the United States had no compunction about telling disgusting lies for Israel, but immediately questions the Palestinian death toll (as if he gives a damn whatever the number of dead children/civilians), despite the Palestinian numbers being accurate over the *years* when Israel murders Palestinians. Three Palestinian-American students were shot with one being paralyzed. A congressman has proposed banning/throwing out Palestinians from the country. Another showed up in an IDF uniform in Congress and compared all Palestinians to Nazis essentially saying even the kids deserved to be killed. FL is censoring anyone who speaks out for Palestinians, students have been doxxed and blacklisted for ANY show of support for Palestine (it's BS that it's about "antisemitism" a word rendered meaningless by Zionists). We have a former state dept official harassing a Halal Cart guy who said 4000 dead CHILDREN wasn't enough. This is someone who worked ON Isr-Pal for several presidents and he is no anomaly within the govt. And the media has endlessly dehumanized Palestinians (over YEARS). Will we be getting any committee to address any of it? Had even ONE of those things happened to someone Jewish, Congress wouldn't STFU about it. The fact is that Zionists do themselves no favor by acting as though Jews are being targeted 24/7 while Palestinians or Muslims get some "free ride" in this country. College students have access to actual history within seconds. They have YEARS of videos/documentaries showing the behavior of Israel from its very inception that were never readily available to generations before them, so they know now for how many years Israel w/ blind US fealty, endless vetoes at the UN, blank checks from Congress to go along w/ years of resolutions and some of the most vile language that is allowed towards Arabs/Muslims has LED to an Oct 7. Nothing infuriates me more than hearing about "rape" and "torture" by Hamas when that behavior is the very reason Israel exists. How do you think a Hamas even comes about? Because Igrun, Lehi, Stern Gang and Hagana existed LONG BEFORE Oct 7. You can watch documentaries on YT of old Zionist Jews laughing about raping Palestinian teens and burning them alive. That's what college kids are learning. They're learning this conflict ISN'T complicated, it's that their parents and grandparents have been fed the same tired lies about Israel "defending" itself for decades. And while the older, ignorant, buffoonish generations repeat the lies about "Palestinians turning down peace deals," the younger, so-called "brain-washed" generation very quickly learn the actual DETAILS of those supposed "deals."

Aside from your inability to use paragraphs or write coherently, your overt ageism makes you sound flat-out idiotic.

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Anonymous wrote:Thus far, a 6yo American-born, Palestinian child was stabbed to death along w/ his mother by someone who had previously befriended them...after the president of the United States had no compunction about telling disgusting lies for Israel, but immediately questions the Palestinian death toll (as if he gives a damn whatever the number of dead children/civilians), despite the Palestinian numbers being accurate over the *years* when Israel murders Palestinians. Three Palestinian-American students were shot with one being paralyzed. A congressman has proposed banning/throwing out Palestinians from the country. Another showed up in an IDF uniform in Congress and compared all Palestinians to Nazis essentially saying even the kids deserved to be killed. FL is censoring anyone who speaks out for Palestinians, students have been doxxed and blacklisted for ANY show of support for Palestine (it's BS that it's about "antisemitism" a word rendered meaningless by Zionists). We have a former state dept official harassing a Halal Cart guy who said 4000 dead CHILDREN wasn't enough. This is someone who worked ON Isr-Pal for several presidents and he is no anomaly within the govt. And the media has endlessly dehumanized Palestinians (over YEARS). Will we be getting any committee to address any of it? Had even ONE of those things happened to someone Jewish, Congress wouldn't STFU about it. The fact is that Zionists do themselves no favor by acting as though Jews are being targeted 24/7 while Palestinians or Muslims get some "free ride" in this country. College students have access to actual history within seconds. They have YEARS of videos/documentaries showing the behavior of Israel from its very inception that were never readily available to generations before them, so they know now for how many years Israel w/ blind US fealty, endless vetoes at the UN, blank checks from Congress to go along w/ years of resolutions and some of the most vile language that is allowed towards Arabs/Muslims has LED to an Oct 7. Nothing infuriates me more than hearing about "rape" and "torture" by Hamas when that behavior is the very reason Israel exists. How do you think a Hamas even comes about? Because Igrun, Lehi, Stern Gang and Hagana existed LONG BEFORE Oct 7. You can watch documentaries on YT of old Zionist Jews laughing about raping Palestinian teens and burning them alive. That's what college kids are learning. They're learning this conflict ISN'T complicated, it's that their parents and grandparents have been fed the same tired lies about Israel "defending" itself for decades. And while the older, ignorant, buffoonish generations repeat the lies about "Palestinians turning down peace deals," the younger, so-called "brain-washed" generation very quickly learn the actual DETAILS of those supposed "deals."

Aside from your inability to use paragraphs or write coherently, your overt ageism makes you sound flat-out idiotic.

I think the worst thing about our Gen Z guest's rambling post is the contention that social media offers access to reliable "access to actual history within seconds". No wonder he/she believes "this conflict isn't complicated"!! Our society has clearly failed this whole generation's education.