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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is not firing their first black president. Even if she needs to contextualize genocide.

But this debacle and support for Hamas is going to have carry on effects. The number of early applicants to Harvard was already down by nearly 20 points this year. It'll be significantly more next year.

Jews don't feel welcome. Asians don't feel welcome. Unless you are a very well to do and privileged wokey wokey white, Harvard is probably not a great place. And the number of applications will reflect that

Somehow I think Harvard will survive and maintain its acceptance rate in the single digits.

They will, but look who is applying and who they accepting. Harvard graduates already have poor reputation in major companies. It will be going downhill in the next 10-15 years and Harvard diploma very soon will be like your online degree.

This would be great for meritocracy and leveling of inequality, but I wouldn't exactly hold my breath that it'll happen.

Harvard was never built on meritocracy - ever! She shouldn't resign. Everyone wants Campus Free Expression until something is said that they don't like.

Gay just requested to make changes to her prior citations ( or omissions of citations) after she was already allowed to do so previously. She is so stupid that she cannot even fix her mistake properly and needs another “opportunity “ to do so. Truly deprived person.

The true scandal is that she only has 11 published academic works to her credit. That wouldn't be enough to become an adjunct at most universities, much less President of ostensibly the leading U.S. university.

You don't know many school administrators do you?

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is not firing their first black president. Even if she needs to contextualize genocide.

But this debacle and support for Hamas is going to have carry on effects. The number of early applicants to Harvard was already down by nearly 20 points this year. It'll be significantly more next year.

Jews don't feel welcome. Asians don't feel welcome. Unless you are a very well to do and privileged wokey wokey white, Harvard is probably not a great place. And the number of applications will reflect that

And she plagiarized as well. Wow Harvard’s standards have plummeted.

Harvard doesn't use the word "plagiarized." Please use the correct terminology: "duplicative language without appropriate attribution."

How about Harvard DEI? “Dubious educational integrity.”

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Anonymous wrote:Why has a discussion that began with a focus on certain universities' approaches to speech surrounding the Israel/Gaza situation morphed into one focused on whether Gay should remain as Harvard president based on allegations of plagiarism? Shouldn't that be an internal matter for Harvard?

It's an opportunistic pile on. Plagiarism might be a good enough pretext to get her out of there if the Harvard Corporation won't be persuaded by the handling of anti-semitism. This is basically an ideological warfare by another name.

So people that want her out as president want her out solely because of her comments during the congressional hearing? I don't know...I think that in addition to that, it's also an opportunity--since they already have peoples' attention--to take a swing at "diversity hires" and elite universities in general--two things that seem to really rile up Republicans.

I would think no one would want to be considered as a "diversity hire." Very demeaning.

It is. But Gay has become the poster child for the DEI industrial complex.

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The decision to keep Gay reflects badly on the Harvard board.

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I don't have an axe to grind with Harvard or Claudine Gay, but I'm surprised at how unimpressive her academic track record is. She may be a good administrator, but she seems to have been awarded tenure and continued to be promoted without meeting the typical standards.

Tenure is a huge deal for academics - it essentially means a job for life - so there's a ton of documentation about what is required. The expectations vary by field, and top tier universities typically have more exacting standards. But the norm for political science is a sole-authored book with a well-known academic press PLUS multiple articles in refereed academic journals. And usually promotion to full professor requires meeting an even higher bar.

Beyond the early phase of her career, Gay seems to have risen through the ranks at Harvard without doing very much to distinguish herself outside of Harvard. Look at the bios of her most recent predecessors, or those of leaders of peer institutions (including Black and female scholars) - they have national awards, prestigious and voluminous academic work, high-level government service, etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have an axe to grind with Harvard or Claudine Gay, but I'm surprised at how unimpressive her academic track record is. She may be a good administrator, but she seems to have been awarded tenure and continued to be promoted without meeting the typical standards.

Tenure is a huge deal for academics - it essentially means a job for life - so there's a ton of documentation about what is required. The expectations vary by field, and top tier universities typically have more exacting standards. But the norm for political science is a sole-authored book with a well-known academic press PLUS multiple articles in refereed academic journals. And usually promotion to full professor requires meeting an even higher bar.

Beyond the early phase of her career, Gay seems to have risen through the ranks at Harvard without doing very much to distinguish herself outside of Harvard. Look at the bios of her most recent predecessors, or those of leaders of peer institutions (including Black and female scholars) - they have national awards, prestigious and voluminous academic work, high-level government service, etc etc.

She was the backup/compromise pick when Danielle Allen didn't get the role.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is not firing their first black president. Even if she needs to contextualize genocide.

But this debacle and support for Hamas is going to have carry on effects. The number of early applicants to Harvard was already down by nearly 20 points this year. It'll be significantly more next year.

Jews don't feel welcome. Asians don't feel welcome. Unless you are a very well to do and privileged wokey wokey white, Harvard is probably not a great place. And the number of applications will reflect that

Somehow I think Harvard will survive and maintain its acceptance rate in the single digits.

They will, but look who is applying and who they accepting. Harvard graduates already have poor reputation in major companies. It will be going downhill in the next 10-15 years and Harvard diploma very soon will be like your online degree.

This would be great for meritocracy and leveling of inequality, but I wouldn't exactly hold my breath that it'll happen.

Harvard was never built on meritocracy - ever! She shouldn't resign. Everyone wants Campus Free Expression until something is said that they don't like.

Gay just requested to make changes to her prior citations ( or omissions of citations) after she was already allowed to do so previously. She is so stupid that she cannot even fix her mistake properly and needs another “opportunity “ to do so. Truly deprived person.

The true scandal is that she only has 11 published academic works to her credit. That wouldn't be enough to become an adjunct at most universities, much less President of ostensibly the leading U.S. university.

You don't know many school administrators do you?

She was a professor before she became an administrator. It still doesn't change the fact that her academic record is pretty pathetic, especially for a university as prestigious as Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is not firing their first black president. Even if she needs to contextualize genocide.

But this debacle and support for Hamas is going to have carry on effects. The number of early applicants to Harvard was already down by nearly 20 points this year. It'll be significantly more next year.

Jews don't feel welcome. Asians don't feel welcome. Unless you are a very well to do and privileged wokey wokey white, Harvard is probably not a great place. And the number of applications will reflect that

Somehow I think Harvard will survive and maintain its acceptance rate in the single digits.

They will, but look who is applying and who they accepting. Harvard graduates already have poor reputation in major companies. It will be going downhill in the next 10-15 years and Harvard diploma very soon will be like your online degree.

This would be great for meritocracy and leveling of inequality, but I wouldn't exactly hold my breath that it'll happen.

Harvard was never built on meritocracy - ever! She shouldn't resign. Everyone wants Campus Free Expression until something is said that they don't like.

Gay just requested to make changes to her prior citations ( or omissions of citations) after she was already allowed to do so previously. She is so stupid that she cannot even fix her mistake properly and needs another “opportunity “ to do so. Truly deprived person.

The true scandal is that she only has 11 published academic works to her credit. That wouldn't be enough to become an adjunct at most universities, much less President of ostensibly the leading U.S. university.

You don't know many school administrators do you?

She was a professor before she became an administrator. It still doesn't change the fact that her academic record is pretty pathetic, especially for a university as prestigious as Harvard.

You still don’t get it, do you?! She was not hired for her academic prowess. She was hired because she is a black female with some paltry level of experience.

They don’t care about the plagerism or the weak academic record, or the disastrous performance before the House committee. She is black and she is a woman. That is literally the requirement now for the job of president of Harvard.

Tough to swallow, I know, but once you fully accept this everything else makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is not firing their first black president. Even if she needs to contextualize genocide.

But this debacle and support for Hamas is going to have carry on effects. The number of early applicants to Harvard was already down by nearly 20 points this year. It'll be significantly more next year.

Jews don't feel welcome. Asians don't feel welcome. Unless you are a very well to do and privileged wokey wokey white, Harvard is probably not a great place. And the number of applications will reflect that

Somehow I think Harvard will survive and maintain its acceptance rate in the single digits.

They will, but look who is applying and who they accepting. Harvard graduates already have poor reputation in major companies. It will be going downhill in the next 10-15 years and Harvard diploma very soon will be like your online degree.

This would be great for meritocracy and leveling of inequality, but I wouldn't exactly hold my breath that it'll happen.

Harvard was never built on meritocracy - ever! She shouldn't resign. Everyone wants Campus Free Expression until something is said that they don't like.

Gay just requested to make changes to her prior citations ( or omissions of citations) after she was already allowed to do so previously. She is so stupid that she cannot even fix her mistake properly and needs another “opportunity “ to do so. Truly deprived person.

The true scandal is that she only has 11 published academic works to her credit. That wouldn't be enough to become an adjunct at most universities, much less President of ostensibly the leading U.S. university.

You don't know many school administrators do you?

She was a professor before she became an administrator. It still doesn't change the fact that her academic record is pretty pathetic, especially for a university as prestigious as Harvard.

You still don’t get it, do you?! She was not hired for her academic prowess. She was hired because she is a black female with some paltry level of experience.

They don’t care about the plagerism or the weak academic record, or the disastrous performance before the House committee. She is black and she is a woman. That is literally the requirement now for the job of president of Harvard.

Tough to swallow, I know, but once you fully accept this everything else makes sense.

OK sure. But she brings her lived experience and uses other ways of knowing which white people simply can't do. And let's not forget her most important quality: Yas queen!

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is not firing their first black president. Even if she needs to contextualize genocide.

But this debacle and support for Hamas is going to have carry on effects. The number of early applicants to Harvard was already down by nearly 20 points this year. It'll be significantly more next year.

Jews don't feel welcome. Asians don't feel welcome. Unless you are a very well to do and privileged wokey wokey white, Harvard is probably not a great place. And the number of applications will reflect that

Somehow I think Harvard will survive and maintain its acceptance rate in the single digits.

They will, but look who is applying and who they accepting. Harvard graduates already have poor reputation in major companies. It will be going downhill in the next 10-15 years and Harvard diploma very soon will be like your online degree.

This would be great for meritocracy and leveling of inequality, but I wouldn't exactly hold my breath that it'll happen.

Harvard was never built on meritocracy - ever! She shouldn't resign. Everyone wants Campus Free Expression until something is said that they don't like.

Gay just requested to make changes to her prior citations ( or omissions of citations) after she was already allowed to do so previously. She is so stupid that she cannot even fix her mistake properly and needs another “opportunity “ to do so. Truly deprived person.

The true scandal is that she only has 11 published academic works to her credit. That wouldn't be enough to become an adjunct at most universities, much less President of ostensibly the leading U.S. university.

You don't know many school administrators do you?

She was a professor before she became an administrator. It still doesn't change the fact that her academic record is pretty pathetic, especially for a university as prestigious as Harvard.

You still don’t get it, do you?! She was not hired for her academic prowess. She was hired because she is a black female with some paltry level of experience.

They don’t care about the plagerism or the weak academic record, or the disastrous performance before the House committee. She is black and she is a woman. That is literally the requirement now for the job of president of Harvard.

Tough to swallow, I know, but once you fully accept this everything else makes sense.

OK sure. But she brings her lived experience and uses other ways of knowing which white people simply can't do. And let's not forget her most important quality: Yas queen!

Her “lived experience” as a shallow academic, plagiarist, etc? LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is not firing their first black president. Even if she needs to contextualize genocide.

But this debacle and support for Hamas is going to have carry on effects. The number of early applicants to Harvard was already down by nearly 20 points this year. It'll be significantly more next year.

Jews don't feel welcome. Asians don't feel welcome. Unless you are a very well to do and privileged wokey wokey white, Harvard is probably not a great place. And the number of applications will reflect that.

If this is the case, President Gay and her woke colleagues are probably fist-bumping each other for being able to double down on their affirmative action admission plans, notwithstanding the Supreme Court’s decision against Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:Why has a discussion that began with a focus on certain universities' approaches to speech surrounding the Israel/Gaza situation morphed into one focused on whether Gay should remain as Harvard president based on allegations of plagiarism? Shouldn't that be an internal matter for Harvard?

It's an opportunistic pile on. Plagiarism might be a good enough pretext to get her out of there if the Harvard Corporation won't be persuaded by the handling of anti-semitism. This is basically an ideological warfare by another name.

So people that want her out as president want her out solely because of her comments during the congressional hearing? I don't know...I think that in addition to that, it's also an opportunity--since they already have peoples' attention--to take a swing at "diversity hires" and elite universities in general--two things that seem to really rile up Republicans.

I would think no one would want to be considered as a "diversity hire." Very demeaning.

It is. But Gay has become the poster child for the DEI industrial complex.

because every black doctor must be incompetent. F'ing racist idiot.

I told my family many years ago that I would never ever go to an AA doctor. I was called racist. Gay is the perfect example why my decision was correct back then and why it is even more important now.

Because your ideology blinds you to critical thinking, I'll spell it out for you. If a high percentage of black doctors are hired simply for being black, and a patient has no way of knowing which black doctors were hire for competence and which were hired for being black, determining the quality of a black doctor is simply impossible. This means choosing a black doctor amounts to a coin toss. Who in their right mind would trust their health to chance?

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Anonymous wrote: And let's not forget her most important quality: Yas queen!

What does this mean?

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is not firing their first black president. Even if she needs to contextualize genocide.

But this debacle and support for Hamas is going to have carry on effects. The number of early applicants to Harvard was already down by nearly 20 points this year. It'll be significantly more next year.

Jews don't feel welcome. Asians don't feel welcome. Unless you are a very well to do and privileged wokey wokey white, Harvard is probably not a great place. And the number of applications will reflect that

Somehow I think Harvard will survive and maintain its acceptance rate in the single digits.

They will, but look who is applying and who they accepting. Harvard graduates already have poor reputation in major companies. It will be going downhill in the next 10-15 years and Harvard diploma very soon will be like your online degree.

This would be great for meritocracy and leveling of inequality, but I wouldn't exactly hold my breath that it'll happen.

Harvard was never built on meritocracy - ever! She shouldn't resign. Everyone wants Campus Free Expression until something is said that they don't like.

Gay just requested to make changes to her prior citations ( or omissions of citations) after she was already allowed to do so previously. She is so stupid that she cannot even fix her mistake properly and needs another “opportunity “ to do so. Truly deprived person.

The true scandal is that she only has 11 published academic works to her credit. That wouldn't be enough to become an adjunct at most universities, much less President of ostensibly the leading U.S. university.

You don't know many school administrators do you?

She was a professor before she became an administrator. It still doesn't change the fact that her academic record is pretty pathetic, especially for a university as prestigious as Harvard.

You still don’t get it, do you?! She was not hired for her academic prowess. She was hired because she is a black female with some paltry level of experience.

They don’t care about the plagerism or the weak academic record, or the disastrous performance before the House committee. She is black and she is a woman. That is literally the requirement now for the job of president of Harvard.

Tough to swallow, I know, but once you fully accept this everything else makes sense.

Oh, I get it. I just think it makes a mockery of academic achievement and the alleged meritocracy. I also found it interesting that at least one of the professors pushing back against the accusations, did so because of the source, not because of the critique, which is even worse for an academic institution allegedly focused on pursuing the truth.

Here's the quote, "“If it came from some other quarter, I might be granting it some credence,” he said of the accusations. “But not from these people.” - Charles Fried, a professor at Harvard Law School and a former solicitor general in the Reagan administration.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is not firing their first black president. Even if she needs to contextualize genocide.

But this debacle and support for Hamas is going to have carry on effects. The number of early applicants to Harvard was already down by nearly 20 points this year. It'll be significantly more next year.

Jews don't feel welcome. Asians don't feel welcome. Unless you are a very well to do and privileged wokey wokey white, Harvard is probably not a great place. And the number of applications will reflect that

Somehow I think Harvard will survive and maintain its acceptance rate in the single digits.

They will, but look who is applying and who they accepting. Harvard graduates already have poor reputation in major companies. It will be going downhill in the next 10-15 years and Harvard diploma very soon will be like your online degree.

This would be great for meritocracy and leveling of inequality, but I wouldn't exactly hold my breath that it'll happen.

Harvard was never built on meritocracy - ever! She shouldn't resign. Everyone wants Campus Free Expression until something is said that they don't like.

Gay just requested to make changes to her prior citations ( or omissions of citations) after she was already allowed to do so previously. She is so stupid that she cannot even fix her mistake properly and needs another “opportunity “ to do so. Truly deprived person.

The true scandal is that she only has 11 published academic works to her credit. That wouldn't be enough to become an adjunct at most universities, much less President of ostensibly the leading U.S. university.

You don't know many school administrators do you?

She was a professor before she became an administrator. It still doesn't change the fact that her academic record is pretty pathetic, especially for a university as prestigious as Harvard.

You still don’t get it, do you?! She was not hired for her academic prowess. She was hired because she is a black female with some paltry level of experience.

They don’t care about the plagerism or the weak academic record, or the disastrous performance before the House committee. She is black and she is a woman. That is literally the requirement now for the job of president of Harvard.

Tough to swallow, I know, but once you fully accept this everything else makes sense.

How can you be sure that in the history of Harvard U no mediocre white man was ever hired as president? Do you just assume they were all brilliant scholars with an impecable written record of published work?