DNC plans should Biden (or other D candidate) lose in 2024?

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump wins then democracy is over so it doesn't matter what the DNC does. It really is as simple as that.

OK. Democracy is over in that scenario, what then? No, elections, etc. What do people do then?

I'm pp...look to China. Military parades. Arresting journalists. Giving govt contracts to those with most clout. Shutting out foreigners from business deals, with little recourse. Jailing businessmen when they irk a party member. Extreme force with protestors. Rampant propaganda.

The masses will be forced to worry about their little black book (i.e. infractions that may be used against them at any time), increased surveillance, harm from goods that aren't regulated, the restriction to travel freely, and on.

Be forewarned.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone and agree that Trump can take awfulness to unprecedented levels but what you're saying is hogwash hysteria that only makes us anti-Trumpers seem out of sync with reason. Fortunately, our Federal Government was set up with a system of checks and balances that would never let one person have the power to go to such extremes. Acknowledge that and be thankful.

Agree. The po you responded to sounds like a Russian/Chinese troll using scare tactics on people. The hyperbole is unreal.

The constitution doesn’t have magical powers. Our checks and balances are only as strong as our willingness to abide by them.

The checks ands balances have the force of law behind them. They aren't optional.

Correct.

Who enforces the “force of law”?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump wins then democracy is over so it doesn't matter what the DNC does. It really is as simple as that.

OK. Democracy is over in that scenario, what then? No, elections, etc. What do people do then?

I'm pp...look to China. Military parades. Arresting journalists. Giving govt contracts to those with most clout. Shutting out foreigners from business deals, with little recourse. Jailing businessmen when they irk a party member. Extreme force with protestors. Rampant propaganda.

The masses will be forced to worry about their little black book (i.e. infractions that may be used against them at any time), increased surveillance, harm from goods that aren't regulated, the restriction to travel freely, and on.

Be forewarned.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone and agree that Trump can take awfulness to unprecedented levels but what you're saying is hogwash hysteria that only makes us anti-Trumpers seem out of sync with reason. Fortunately, our Federal Government was set up with a system of checks and balances that would never let one person have the power to go to such extremes. Acknowledge that and be thankful.

Agree. The po you responded to sounds like a Russian/Chinese troll using scare tactics on people. The hyperbole is unreal.

The constitution doesn’t have magical powers. Our checks and balances are only as strong as our willingness to abide by them.

The checks ands balances have the force of law behind them. They aren't optional.

Correct.

Who enforces the “force of law”?

The new sitting president if you are referring to a situation where a president is removed via impeachment or loses an election but refuses to leave office when their term ends. Otherwise, the Supreme Court can overturn any unconstitutional executive orders. Yes, we have some extreme politicians in this country but our government as a whole has the ability to check someone that seeks to impose their unconstitutional will on the American people. If Trump literally tried to become a Putin or Hitler, he could and would be swiftly shut down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Trump wins then democracy is over so it doesn't matter what the DNC does. It really is as simple as that.

OK. Democracy is over in that scenario, what then? No, elections, etc. What do people do then?

I'm pp...look to China. Military parades. Arresting journalists. Giving govt contracts to those with most clout. Shutting out foreigners from business deals, with little recourse. Jailing businessmen when they irk a party member. Extreme force with protestors. Rampant propaganda.

The masses will be forced to worry about their little black book (i.e. infractions that may be used against them at any time), increased surveillance, harm from goods that aren't regulated, the restriction to travel freely, and on.

Be forewarned.

That doesn’t answer the question at all. Unless you’re saying Ds will just lay down and take it.

What power will Dems have if Trump is acting like a dictator? He will have the military behind him. He's appointed a large portion of the judiciary. He will take control of the media. When corruption rules people will be loyal to save themselves. You think he's just going to hold free and fair elections? I don't think people understand this. We've been on the brink of this before, but it takes the will of the people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Trump wins then democracy is over so it doesn't matter what the DNC does. It really is as simple as that.

OK. Democracy is over in that scenario, what then? No, elections, etc. What do people do then?

I'm pp...look to China. Military parades. Arresting journalists. Giving govt contracts to those with most clout. Shutting out foreigners from business deals, with little recourse. Jailing businessmen when they irk a party member. Extreme force with protestors. Rampant propaganda.

The masses will be forced to worry about their little black book (i.e. infractions that may be used against them at any time), increased surveillance, harm from goods that aren't regulated, the restriction to travel freely, and on.

Be forewarned.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone and agree that Trump can take awfulness to unprecedented levels but what you're saying is hogwash hysteria that only makes us anti-Trumpers seem out of sync with reason. Fortunately, our Federal Government was set up with a system of checks and balances that would never let one person have the power to go to such extremes. Acknowledge that and be thankful.

Agree. The po you responded to sounds like a Russian/Chinese troll using scare tactics on people. The hyperbole is unreal.

LOL, not a troll. I lived in China. Just witnessed how bad it was AND that it the government control became progressively worse during my 5+ years there. That's why I left.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Trump wins then democracy is over so it doesn't matter what the DNC does. It really is as simple as that.

OK. Democracy is over in that scenario, what then? No, elections, etc. What do people do then?

I'm pp...look to China. Military parades. Arresting journalists. Giving govt contracts to those with most clout. Shutting out foreigners from business deals, with little recourse. Jailing businessmen when they irk a party member. Extreme force with protestors. Rampant propaganda.

The masses will be forced to worry about their little black book (i.e. infractions that may be used against them at any time), increased surveillance, harm from goods that aren't regulated, the restriction to travel freely, and on.

Be forewarned.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone and agree that Trump can take awfulness to unprecedented levels but what you're saying is hogwash hysteria that only makes us anti-Trumpers seem out of sync with reason. Fortunately, our Federal Government was set up with a system of checks and balances that would never let one person have the power to go to such extremes. Acknowledge that and be thankful.

Agree. The po you responded to sounds like a Russian/Chinese troll using scare tactics on people. The hyperbole is unreal.

LOL, not a troll. I lived in China. Just witnessed how bad it was AND that it the government control became progressively worse during my 5+ years there. That's why I left.

Well, it's a good thing we don't have China's government.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Trump wins then democracy is over so it doesn't matter what the DNC does. It really is as simple as that.

OK. Democracy is over in that scenario, what then? No, elections, etc. What do people do then?

I'm pp...look to China. Military parades. Arresting journalists. Giving govt contracts to those with most clout. Shutting out foreigners from business deals, with little recourse. Jailing businessmen when they irk a party member. Extreme force with protestors. Rampant propaganda.

The masses will be forced to worry about their little black book (i.e. infractions that may be used against them at any time), increased surveillance, harm from goods that aren't regulated, the restriction to travel freely, and on.

Be forewarned.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone and agree that Trump can take awfulness to unprecedented levels but what you're saying is hogwash hysteria that only makes us anti-Trumpers seem out of sync with reason. Fortunately, our Federal Government was set up with a system of checks and balances that would never let one person have the power to go to such extremes. Acknowledge that and be thankful.

Agree. The po you responded to sounds like a Russian/Chinese troll using scare tactics on people. The hyperbole is unreal.

The constitution doesn’t have magical powers. Our checks and balances are only as strong as our willingness to abide by them.

The checks ands balances have the force of law behind them. They aren't optional.

Correct.

Who enforces the “force of law”?

The new sitting president if you are referring to a situation where a president is removed via impeachment or loses an election but refuses to leave office when their term ends. Otherwise, the Supreme Court can overturn any unconstitutional executive orders. Yes, we have some extreme politicians in this country but our government as a whole has the ability to check someone that seeks to impose their unconstitutional will on the American people. If Trump literally tried to become a Putin or Hitler, he could and would be swiftly shut down.

You have way too much faith in our system, when multiple players and parties are corrupted and not acting in accordance with how the funders would have anticpated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Trump wins then democracy is over so it doesn't matter what the DNC does. It really is as simple as that.

OK. Democracy is over in that scenario, what then? No, elections, etc. What do people do then?

I'm pp...look to China. Military parades. Arresting journalists. Giving govt contracts to those with most clout. Shutting out foreigners from business deals, with little recourse. Jailing businessmen when they irk a party member. Extreme force with protestors. Rampant propaganda.

The masses will be forced to worry about their little black book (i.e. infractions that may be used against them at any time), increased surveillance, harm from goods that aren't regulated, the restriction to travel freely, and on.

Be forewarned.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone and agree that Trump can take awfulness to unprecedented levels but what you're saying is hogwash hysteria that only makes us anti-Trumpers seem out of sync with reason. Fortunately, our Federal Government was set up with a system of checks and balances that would never let one person have the power to go to such extremes. Acknowledge that and be thankful.

Agree. The po you responded to sounds like a Russian/Chinese troll using scare tactics on people. The hyperbole is unreal.

The constitution doesn’t have magical powers. Our checks and balances are only as strong as our willingness to abide by them.

The checks ands balances have the force of law behind them. They aren't optional.

Correct.

Who enforces the “force of law”?

The new sitting president if you are referring to a situation where a president is removed via impeachment or loses an election but refuses to leave office when their term ends. Otherwise, the Supreme Court can overturn any unconstitutional executive orders. Yes, we have some extreme politicians in this country but our government as a whole has the ability to check someone that seeks to impose their unconstitutional will on the American people. If Trump literally tried to become a Putin or Hitler, he could and would be swiftly shut down.

So say Trump issues an executive order that the Supreme Court declares unconstitutional. Who is going to keep Trump from just doing what the order says anyway? He’s surrounded himself with acting cabinet heads who aren’t confirmed by the Senate and who he’s promised pardons to if they do anything illegal. Play this out for me, because that’s exactly what the plan is.

Acting appointments from top to bottom.
A cadre of thousands of political appointees, vetted for personal loyalty to Trump, replacing career civil servants.
An understanding among Trump lieutenants that they are free to break the law because they will be pardoned.
An overriding desire on the part of Trump to seek retribution against perceived enemies.
https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/theres-a-storm-coming-we-all-know

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Trump wins then democracy is over so it doesn't matter what the DNC does. It really is as simple as that.

OK. Democracy is over in that scenario, what then? No, elections, etc. What do people do then?

I'm pp...look to China. Military parades. Arresting journalists. Giving govt contracts to those with most clout. Shutting out foreigners from business deals, with little recourse. Jailing businessmen when they irk a party member. Extreme force with protestors. Rampant propaganda.

The masses will be forced to worry about their little black book (i.e. infractions that may be used against them at any time), increased surveillance, harm from goods that aren't regulated, the restriction to travel freely, and on.

Be forewarned.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone and agree that Trump can take awfulness to unprecedented levels but what you're saying is hogwash hysteria that only makes us anti-Trumpers seem out of sync with reason. Fortunately, our Federal Government was set up with a system of checks and balances that would never let one person have the power to go to such extremes. Acknowledge that and be thankful.

Agree. The po you responded to sounds like a Russian/Chinese troll using scare tactics on people. The hyperbole is unreal.

The constitution doesn’t have magical powers. Our checks and balances are only as strong as our willingness to abide by them.

The checks ands balances have the force of law behind them. They aren't optional.

Correct.

Who enforces the “force of law”?

The new sitting president if you are referring to a situation where a president is removed via impeachment or loses an election but refuses to leave office when their term ends. Otherwise, the Supreme Court can overturn any unconstitutional executive orders. Yes, we have some extreme politicians in this country but our government as a whole has the ability to check someone that seeks to impose their unconstitutional will on the American people. If Trump literally tried to become a Putin or Hitler, he could and would be swiftly shut down.

So say Trump issues an executive order that the Supreme Court declares unconstitutional. Who is going to keep Trump from just doing what the order says anyway? He’s surrounded himself with acting cabinet heads who aren’t confirmed by the Senate and who he’s promised pardons to if they do anything illegal. Play this out for me, because that’s exactly what the plan is.

Acting appointments from top to bottom.
A cadre of thousands of political appointees, vetted for personal loyalty to Trump, replacing career civil servants.
An understanding among Trump lieutenants that they are free to break the law because they will be pardoned.
An overriding desire on the part of Trump to seek retribution against perceived enemies.
https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/theres-a-storm-coming-we-all-know

Richard Nixon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Trump wins then democracy is over so it doesn't matter what the DNC does. It really is as simple as that.

OK. Democracy is over in that scenario, what then? No, elections, etc. What do people do then?

I'm pp...look to China. Military parades. Arresting journalists. Giving govt contracts to those with most clout. Shutting out foreigners from business deals, with little recourse. Jailing businessmen when they irk a party member. Extreme force with protestors. Rampant propaganda.

The masses will be forced to worry about their little black book (i.e. infractions that may be used against them at any time), increased surveillance, harm from goods that aren't regulated, the restriction to travel freely, and on.

Be forewarned.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone and agree that Trump can take awfulness to unprecedented levels but what you're saying is hogwash hysteria that only makes us anti-Trumpers seem out of sync with reason. Fortunately, our Federal Government was set up with a system of checks and balances that would never let one person have the power to go to such extremes. Acknowledge that and be thankful.

Agree. The po you responded to sounds like a Russian/Chinese troll using scare tactics on people. The hyperbole is unreal.

The constitution doesn’t have magical powers. Our checks and balances are only as strong as our willingness to abide by them.

The checks ands balances have the force of law behind them. They aren't optional.

Correct.

Who enforces the “force of law”?

The new sitting president if you are referring to a situation where a president is removed via impeachment or loses an election but refuses to leave office when their term ends. Otherwise, the Supreme Court can overturn any unconstitutional executive orders. Yes, we have some extreme politicians in this country but our government as a whole has the ability to check someone that seeks to impose their unconstitutional will on the American people. If Trump literally tried to become a Putin or Hitler, he could and would be swiftly shut down.

So say Trump issues an executive order that the Supreme Court declares unconstitutional. Who is going to keep Trump from just doing what the order says anyway? He’s surrounded himself with acting cabinet heads who aren’t confirmed by the Senate and who he’s promised pardons to if they do anything illegal. Play this out for me, because that’s exactly what the plan is.

Acting appointments from top to bottom.
A cadre of thousands of political appointees, vetted for personal loyalty to Trump, replacing career civil servants.
An understanding among Trump lieutenants that they are free to break the law because they will be pardoned.
An overriding desire on the part of Trump to seek retribution against perceived enemies.
https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/theres-a-storm-coming-we-all-know

Richard Nixon.

Roger Ailes was Richard Nixon’s Executive Producer for television. He was on the record saying that if there was a Nixon-friendly media apparatus that Nixon would never have had to resign. Then after working for Reagan and HW Bush he created that media apparatus. And I think we saw after Trump’s first impeachment and certainly after the second impeachment that he was right. Got any other ideas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Trump wins then democracy is over so it doesn't matter what the DNC does. It really is as simple as that.

OK. Democracy is over in that scenario, what then? No, elections, etc. What do people do then?

I'm pp...look to China. Military parades. Arresting journalists. Giving govt contracts to those with most clout. Shutting out foreigners from business deals, with little recourse. Jailing businessmen when they irk a party member. Extreme force with protestors. Rampant propaganda.

The masses will be forced to worry about their little black book (i.e. infractions that may be used against them at any time), increased surveillance, harm from goods that aren't regulated, the restriction to travel freely, and on.

Be forewarned.

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone and agree that Trump can take awfulness to unprecedented levels but what you're saying is hogwash hysteria that only makes us anti-Trumpers seem out of sync with reason. Fortunately, our Federal Government was set up with a system of checks and balances that would never let one person have the power to go to such extremes. Acknowledge that and be thankful.

Agree. The po you responded to sounds like a Russian/Chinese troll using scare tactics on people. The hyperbole is unreal.

LOL, not a troll. I lived in China. Just witnessed how bad it was AND that it the government control became progressively worse during my 5+ years there. That's why I left.

Well, it's a good thing we don't have China's government.

Do you think it's that simple? Look I may be overly pessimistic, but look at what Chavez did in Venezuela. Here's an excerpt from "How Democracies Die" that gives a summary of what happened for 20 years. The authors do say that military coups are not really a thing now, but let's take what Trump says about the military with A LOAD of caution. A pp responded earlier that the "Dems won't let that happen," but they failed to get a Supreme Court justice elected under Obama because of GOP obstruction. So, Trump was able to fill the slot. https://www.americanacademy.de/how-democracies-die/

"Trump hints at expanded role for the military within the US. A legacy law gives him few guardrails." - https://apnews.com/article/trump-military-insurrection-act-2024-election-03858b6291e4721991b5a18c2dfb3c36