BOE members ask to add elementary schools to Woodward, Crown, Damascus boundary studies

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

Northern portion of cabin John MS (Stone Mill) will be like 400-500 students. No way wootton can lose both stone mill and travillah. Where can they pull 700-800 kids from to fill Wootton?

That's why I think it may be CJMS/Stone Mill -OR- Travilah. There are just too many kids.

You missed Dufief. I personally think Dufief is more likely to be rezoned than Travillah. There was discussion about rezoning part of Rachel Carson to Dufief before but it was postponed because the Dufief renovation project was postponed. Dufief is also closer to crown.

I’m not the person who did the analysis, but I think Stone Mill is more likely than DuFief for a few reasons.

One, in terms of proximity, I think Stone Bridge houses are slightly closer geographically to Crown.

Two, fixing the weird CJMS boundary is low hanging fruit, and makes it easy to justify a change.

Three, Dufief/Wootton and Stone Mill/Crown gives better diversity metrics at both Wootton and Crown than DuFief/Crown and Stone Mill/Wootton.

But I personally don’t think either is a slam dunk. Maybe Crown will reach capacity and they’ll take DuFief because it has fewer kids. Or maybe Crown’s planned capacity will be scaled down like Woodward was due to changes in enrollment, construction costs, or both, and they’ll only take the Rio walkers from Wootton.

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Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

Northern portion of cabin John MS (Stone Mill) will be like 400-500 students. No way wootton can lose both stone mill and travillah. Where can they pull 700-800 kids from to fill Wootton?

That's why I think it may be CJMS/Stone Mill -OR- Travilah. There are just too many kids.

You missed Dufief. I personally think Dufief is more likely to be rezoned than Travillah. There was discussion about rezoning part of Rachel Carson to Dufief before but it was postponed because the Dufief renovation project was postponed. Dufief is also closer to crown.

I’m not the person who did the analysis, but I think Stone Mill is more likely than DuFief for a few reasons.

One, in terms of proximity, I think Stone Bridge houses are slightly closer geographically to Crown.

Two, fixing the weird CJMS boundary is low hanging fruit, and makes it easy to justify a change.

Three, Dufief/Wootton and Stone Mill/Crown gives better diversity metrics at both Wootton and Crown than DuFief/Crown and Stone Mill/Wootton.

But I personally don’t think either is a slam dunk. Maybe Crown will reach capacity and they’ll take DuFief because it has fewer kids. Or maybe Crown’s planned capacity will be scaled down like Woodward was due to changes in enrollment, construction costs, or both, and they’ll only take the Rio walkers from Wootton.

Stonebridge is also geographically closer to Wootton. Moving it to crown does not solve the weird CJMS boundary as crown has no middle school.
They could also move a big portion of QO to crown and move Dufief to QO. It doesn’t have to only moving areas to crown.
Either way, Crown is not going to be very economically diverse as the slam dunk areas have high house prices. Crown itself is richer than north Potomac.

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Areas east of 270 zoned to College Gardens and/or Rosemont are also likely to be in the mix.

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Anonymous wrote:Areas east of 270 zoned to College Gardens and/or Rosemont are also likely to be in the mix.

Or Washington Grove too.

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Anonymous wrote:Areas east of 270 zoned to College Gardens and/or Rosemont are also likely to be in the mix.

Mmm. I would raise eyebrows and ask a LOT of questions about that. It wouldn't help draw down QO and NW.

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Anonymous wrote:Areas east of 270 zoned to College Gardens and/or Rosemont are also likely to be in the mix.

Mmm. I would raise eyebrows and ask a LOT of questions about that. It wouldn't help draw down QO and NW.

It would help draw down RM and Gaithersburg.

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Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

PP here, thanks, that makes it more clear. Except I think 1 and 4 in `slam dunks` are the same group, no?

And just so I understand, you're saying the CJMS-zoned northern areas would be rezoned to Crown-feeding middle schools, and that CJMS would be backfilled by areas that currently feed to Churchill and Churchill-feeding middle schools?

And just to clarify, you believe it would only be likely for Crown walkers and CJMS-zoned Wootton schools to flip to Crown?

I think #1-5 are all slam dunks. All are walkers or potential walkers and all geographically connected. They all make sense and it would be weird not to do these.

But this is also why I question what will happen in the (50/50 group), since the numbers just don't work out. The issue is not Middle School. To shift the CJMS kids, the nearby MS with capacity are Ridgeview (178), Hoover (107), Lakelands (80) and add up to 365 Middle School slots. This means that CJMS kids can all be moved for Middle School.

This means that MCPS will be even more likely to pull kids from the Lakelands/Ridgeview MS (feeding the QO/NW HS pipeline) to fill the Crown and/or Wootton HS seats, and less likely CJMS (Travilah, Dufeif, and Stone Mill) will flip to Crown but may remain at Wootton since it isn't overcrowded. Removing kids from Wootton would just cause a massive domino effect. Politically, I'm not sure MCPS and the BOE could stomach that? I think path of least resistance for MCPS is to flood Crown with Lakelands / Ridgeview kids and reduce QO/NW overcapacity (which was the original intent).

Pulling from the other side of 270 would pressure the numbers even more. That would be if there was a major shift at Wootton, and then Crown / Wootton needed to pull numbers from Gaithersburg and RM HS. It all comes down to the numbers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

PP here, thanks, that makes it more clear. Except I think 1 and 4 in `slam dunks` are the same group, no?

And just so I understand, you're saying the CJMS-zoned northern areas would be rezoned to Crown-feeding middle schools, and that CJMS would be backfilled by areas that currently feed to Churchill and Churchill-feeding middle schools?

And just to clarify, you believe it would only be likely for Crown walkers and CJMS-zoned Wootton schools to flip to Crown?

I think #1-5 are all slam dunks. All are walkers or potential walkers and all geographically connected. They all make sense and it would be weird not to do these.

But this is also why I question what will happen in the (50/50 group), since the numbers just don't work out. The issue is not Middle School. To shift the CJMS kids, the nearby MS with capacity are Ridgeview (178), Hoover (107), Lakelands (80) and add up to 365 Middle School slots. This means that CJMS kids can all be moved for Middle School.

This means that MCPS will be even more likely to pull kids from the Lakelands/Ridgeview MS (feeding the QO/NW HS pipeline) to fill the Crown and/or Wootton HS seats, and less likely CJMS (Travilah, Dufeif, and Stone Mill) will flip to Crown but may remain at Wootton since it isn't overcrowded. Removing kids from Wootton would just cause a massive domino effect. Politically, I'm not sure MCPS and the BOE could stomach that? I think path of least resistance for MCPS is to flood Crown with Lakelands / Ridgeview kids and reduce QO/NW overcapacity (which was the original intent).

Pulling from the other side of 270 would pressure the numbers even more. That would be if there was a major shift at Wootton, and then Crown / Wootton needed to pull numbers from Gaithersburg and RM HS. It all comes down to the numbers.

It doesn’t make sense to split stone mill kids to three middle schools. There is not one middle school which could take all stone mill kids except cabin John

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

PP here, thanks, that makes it more clear. Except I think 1 and 4 in `slam dunks` are the same group, no?

And just so I understand, you're saying the CJMS-zoned northern areas would be rezoned to Crown-feeding middle schools, and that CJMS would be backfilled by areas that currently feed to Churchill and Churchill-feeding middle schools?

And just to clarify, you believe it would only be likely for Crown walkers and CJMS-zoned Wootton schools to flip to Crown?

I think #1-5 are all slam dunks. All are walkers or potential walkers and all geographically connected. They all make sense and it would be weird not to do these.

But this is also why I question what will happen in the (50/50 group), since the numbers just don't work out. The issue is not Middle School. To shift the CJMS kids, the nearby MS with capacity are Ridgeview (178), Hoover (107), Lakelands (80) and add up to 365 Middle School slots. This means that CJMS kids can all be moved for Middle School.

This means that MCPS will be even more likely to pull kids from the Lakelands/Ridgeview MS (feeding the QO/NW HS pipeline) to fill the Crown and/or Wootton HS seats, and less likely CJMS (Travilah, Dufeif, and Stone Mill) will flip to Crown but may remain at Wootton since it isn't overcrowded. Removing kids from Wootton would just cause a massive domino effect. Politically, I'm not sure MCPS and the BOE could stomach that? I think path of least resistance for MCPS is to flood Crown with Lakelands / Ridgeview kids and reduce QO/NW overcapacity (which was the original intent).

Pulling from the other side of 270 would pressure the numbers even more. That would be if there was a major shift at Wootton, and then Crown / Wootton needed to pull numbers from Gaithersburg and RM HS. It all comes down to the numbers.

It doesn’t make sense to split stone mill kids to three middle schools. There is not one middle school which could take all stone mill kids except cabin John

Plus Dufief and travillah are for Robert frost, not cabin John

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

PP here, thanks, that makes it more clear. Except I think 1 and 4 in `slam dunks` are the same group, no?

And just so I understand, you're saying the CJMS-zoned northern areas would be rezoned to Crown-feeding middle schools, and that CJMS would be backfilled by areas that currently feed to Churchill and Churchill-feeding middle schools?

And just to clarify, you believe it would only be likely for Crown walkers and CJMS-zoned Wootton schools to flip to Crown?

That poster seems to focus on moving Wootton kids to crown but not addressing the real overcrowding of QO, RM, Gaithersburg and Northwest. Wootton is the only one not overcrowded.

Since you mentioned QO, RM, Gaithersburg, and NW; here are the CIP numbers in order of priority to address:
#1 - Quince Orchard HS -478
#2 - Northwest HS -383
#3 - Richard Montgomery HS -368
#4 - Gaithersburg HS -184

I would carefully look at how the numbers are adjusted once walkers are taken into account and subtract them from these overcapacity targets. And Wootton is not overcrowded, which is why it makes little sense to shift any of it's students out to Crown unless both Wootton and Crown will have capacity to shift boundaries Eastward (more to absorb RM than Gaithersburg, though).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

PP here, thanks, that makes it more clear. Except I think 1 and 4 in `slam dunks` are the same group, no?

And just so I understand, you're saying the CJMS-zoned northern areas would be rezoned to Crown-feeding middle schools, and that CJMS would be backfilled by areas that currently feed to Churchill and Churchill-feeding middle schools?

And just to clarify, you believe it would only be likely for Crown walkers and CJMS-zoned Wootton schools to flip to Crown?

I think #1-5 are all slam dunks. All are walkers or potential walkers and all geographically connected. They all make sense and it would be weird not to do these.

But this is also why I question what will happen in the (50/50 group), since the numbers just don't work out. The issue is not Middle School. To shift the CJMS kids, the nearby MS with capacity are Ridgeview (178), Hoover (107), Lakelands (80) and add up to 365 Middle School slots. This means that CJMS kids can all be moved for Middle School.

This means that MCPS will be even more likely to pull kids from the Lakelands/Ridgeview MS (feeding the QO/NW HS pipeline) to fill the Crown and/or Wootton HS seats, and less likely CJMS (Travilah, Dufeif, and Stone Mill) will flip to Crown but may remain at Wootton since it isn't overcrowded. Removing kids from Wootton would just cause a massive domino effect. Politically, I'm not sure MCPS and the BOE could stomach that? I think path of least resistance for MCPS is to flood Crown with Lakelands / Ridgeview kids and reduce QO/NW overcapacity (which was the original intent).

Pulling from the other side of 270 would pressure the numbers even more. That would be if there was a major shift at Wootton, and then Crown / Wootton needed to pull numbers from Gaithersburg and RM HS. It all comes down to the numbers.

It doesn’t make sense to split stone mill kids to three middle schools. There is not one middle school which could take all stone mill kids except cabin John

Plus Dufief and travillah are for Robert frost, not cabin John

I think you're confusing ES and HS. Please be specific.

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Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

PP here, thanks, that makes it more clear. Except I think 1 and 4 in `slam dunks` are the same group, no?

And just so I understand, you're saying the CJMS-zoned northern areas would be rezoned to Crown-feeding middle schools, and that CJMS would be backfilled by areas that currently feed to Churchill and Churchill-feeding middle schools?

And just to clarify, you believe it would only be likely for Crown walkers and CJMS-zoned Wootton schools to flip to Crown?

I think #1-5 are all slam dunks. All are walkers or potential walkers and all geographically connected. They all make sense and it would be weird not to do these.

But this is also why I question what will happen in the (50/50 group), since the numbers just don't work out. The issue is not Middle School. To shift the CJMS kids, the nearby MS with capacity are Ridgeview (178), Hoover (107), Lakelands (80) and add up to 365 Middle School slots. This means that CJMS kids can all be moved for Middle School.

This means that MCPS will be even more likely to pull kids from the Lakelands/Ridgeview MS (feeding the QO/NW HS pipeline) to fill the Crown and/or Wootton HS seats, and less likely CJMS (Travilah, Dufeif, and Stone Mill) will flip to Crown but may remain at Wootton since it isn't overcrowded. Removing kids from Wootton would just cause a massive domino effect. Politically, I'm not sure MCPS and the BOE could stomach that? I think path of least resistance for MCPS is to flood Crown with Lakelands / Ridgeview kids and reduce QO/NW overcapacity (which was the original intent).

Pulling from the other side of 270 would pressure the numbers even more. That would be if there was a major shift at Wootton, and then Crown / Wootton needed to pull numbers from Gaithersburg and RM HS. It all comes down to the numbers.

It doesn’t make sense to split stone mill kids to three middle schools. There is not one middle school which could take all stone mill kids except cabin John

Unless (as I thought the BOE requested?) to consider shifting of MS/ES boundaries as part of the study. Don't get me wrong, the County, BOE and MCPS should've built a MS at Belward Farm or Crown, but they didn't. Can they still build a MS at Belward Farm? If they have the money and can do it in time, sure. Don't get me wrong - the BOE and MCPS can absolutely ignore CJMS and Wootton, since it's a messy boundary anyway. I just don't think it's likely.

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Anonymous wrote:Areas east of 270 zoned to College Gardens and/or Rosemont are also likely to be in the mix.

Mmm. I would raise eyebrows and ask a LOT of questions about that. It wouldn't help draw down QO and NW.

It would help draw down RM and Gaithersburg.

It would help anyone working at MCPS 850 Hungerford Drive.

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I have friends with home that are bus zoned to stone mill ES, cabin john MS and wotton HS. They hope that they won't be affected but their houses are far away from all schools like 30 min walking to stone mill, 1.5 hr walking to cabin john MS and 2 plus hrs walking to wotton HS. That's why bus services are provided. Crown HS is an hour away walking from their home.There is a chance that they may be rezoned, right?

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In MCPS, please excuse my lack of knowledge. Do all kids in one ES move to same MS, same for all kids in one MS move to same HS? It seems like I hear that all kids in one MS can split and go to 2 or 3 different HS based on their home address on this forum, true?